Pantheon's Q

Velissari·Feb 18, 2016·18 votes·1,750 views

This is an absolute plea to Riot. Please Riot please, make Pantheon's Q a skill shot. Nothing is more frustrating than laning against a Pantheon where you are forced to stand back, lose farm, and wait until you can farm under tower JUST because of that spear. In a recent game I played, I was getting chunked for 300 hp from a single pantheon spear. That's 300 damage that you cannot block or dodge. All he does is mouse over you and watch as a fifth of his enemy's health goes bye bye. An ability that does that much damage deserves more counter play than simply stacking health or armor. Now I'm not asking for his stun, his passive, or his aoe to be nerfed. When he lands that combo, it's going to be devastating. He should have some sort of power in his kit, but the targeted chunk from his queue is outdated and I feel that it needs to be updated.

26 Comments

AkesgerothFeb 18, 20169 votes

No. Stop asking for every fucking targeted ability to be turned into a skill shot.

MalhammersFeb 18, 20164 votes

I love playing Pantheon for this reason and hate playing against him for this reason. His kit is literally so easy.

ÑapoleoniFeb 18, 20163 votes

You know what they say about pantheon, win lane loose game @ 20 minutes.

Darkslayer85Feb 19, 20161 votes

So true. 600 AD last game with item 3074 item 3142 item 3147 item 3071 item 3812 item 3072 And I couldn't even murder the ADC

ÑapoleoniFeb 19, 20161 votes

With that build your not murdering anyone during team fights because your just gonna blow the fuck up. If you get fed during laning, I'd recommend just building 1 or 2 straight damage items ( item 3074 and item 3142 ) is good, a item 3071 , item 3053 , some MR or Armor item depending on their team, and probably item 3158 (if the extra armor item gives CDR, just go for Swifty's or Mercs) for that 40 percent CDR. Even at this point, this build is kinda risky. Pantheon relies on getting on top of people to damage, and with no reliable escape or instant burst, it is hard for him to get out or get kills. Even his engage is kinda iffy because of how long it takes to go off.

RespectPlusFeb 18, 20163 votes

then the spear will need to be able to pass through minions or panth would be useless

coeurloyalFeb 18, 20162 votes

I don't have any particular feelings about that change. As long as the spears can still pass through minions, I wouldn't mind. I honestly don't think it would slow me down much, though. Unless they make it a super slow skillshot like Nid's they should still be plenty reliable; maybe even more useful after change because they can be used for zoning and kiting more effectively. That, and it would leave me an execute option without having to have vision on them.

...in fact, I'd actually prefer that it be a skillshot. It wouldn't affect my combo at all and it would give me just a little extra utility. It would also give me a non-face-check option when approaching the brush.

Z StatisticFeb 18, 20162 votes

Pantheon has very little tactical counterplay.

He has a lot of strategic counterplay.

BlitzidiousFeb 19, 20161 votes

Wouldn't mechanical counterplay be a better way to describe it, rather than tactical counterplay?

Z StatisticFeb 19, 20161 votes

Eh, it's more or less the same thing. There's very little you can do to Pantheon in the immediate moment, but you can build strategies around him quite easily depending on his progress and strategy. He's very versatile, and as a consequence, he has as lot of strategic openings.

SoundChaosDebugFeb 18, 20161 votes

simple point and click abilities are kind of old now, I heard riot hates Tarics stun because it's that easy to use.

Frigid Ice StormFeb 18, 20161 votes

KrugLyfeFeb 18, 20161 votes

Only if they make annies q a skillshot too

RalanrFeb 18, 20161 votes

Won't change his Q till he gets a rework I imagine. It's too important to his kit to change alone.

Utility VeigarFeb 18, 20161 votes

Yes please.

alfavhunterFeb 18, 20161 votes

Q is now a skill shot but with more range, blocked by minions, but now stuns the target hit

W has been reworked into a charge effect instead of a targeted stun and he can use it without a target (and can jump walls with it) Goes through minions Knocks up first enemy champion hit stopping on that champion then slowing them by 50% for 1.5 seconds If he collided with an enemy champion he instantly gets his passive back without disrupting the current counter

E can now be cast while moving but disables his AAs (think rumble Q but no AAs during it)

R be used at close range for a .5 second delay (if he is in the aoe already it greatly reduces he cast time, letting him use this in a fight instead of just as map mobility

BlitzidiousFeb 18, 20162 votes

You messes up his W and E, it's the other way around. His E is Heartseekers strike, his W is his stun.

alfavhunterFeb 18, 20161 votes

Fixed

I don't main pantheon so ya... Ty