RIOT RUINING CRIT ITEMS IN SEASON 9

Razioncv·Jan 16, 2019·2 votes·3,744 views

Please lock at the video i posted and do something!! The Trynd/Yas/any melee crit champ will get a rly big change , plss do something!

15 Comments

Snarf of thunderJan 16, 20193 votes

I wish they didnt mess with phantom dancer...but maybe this will keep yasuo powerspike to a smaller problem.

Dr DogJan 16, 20192 votes

dont discourage them from going through with something the community has wanted for months, they do need to just leave phantom dancer as it is but other than that the changes are solid

SpeeedyJan 16, 20192 votes

as we dont know what stormrazor final form(s) will be since it wasn't covered in round 2, its a damage nerf across the board with the rest of the items so how is this what the community wanted? We want agency in the game before its over. These changes do the exact opposite of that by giving us less. We are getting less stats for the same amount of gold. Where is the positive?

Dr DogJan 16, 20191 votes

adcs arent gonna have agency in this meta period unless they overbuff adcs, the changes are positive long term because its giving adcs old IE and essence reaver back so they arent restricted to the current "useless before these 3 exact items" itemization that is one of the bigger issues with the role, and being able to rush crit items now with consistent crits as opposed to the artificial stormrazor crit is gonna help them snowball much more easily

SpeeedyJan 16, 20191 votes

the whole point of the change was to give them agency, so your saying unless they are buffed they wont have it. well how can they have it, if they dont have it now and then you are going to make them weaker? You just buffed more already strong non crit adc. Champions like Cait is never going to to build ER.

Currently: As of right now you can go Storm, RFC, and IE for 9k gold giving you - 60% crit, 130 AD, 65% AS (208 Damage per attack average) Or you go IE, Zeal, Competed zeal for 7.5k gold gold giving you - 90% crit and 70 AD, ~45% AS (133 Damage per attack average) Or you go IE, Zeal, 2 Completed zeal for 9k gold you get 120% crit, 70 AD, ~60% AS (140 Damage per attack average)

Proposed change is: IE, Completed Zeal, Completed Zeal (Shiv & RFC) for 9k gold - 75% Crit, 70 AD, 65% AS (131.25 Damage per attack average)

Your logic is flawed with how less damage is more agency in the game.

AlzonJan 16, 20191 votes

Did you forget base AD, or are you factoring armor into your “damage per attack”? Also, shouldn’t it also be multiplied by Attack Speed for DPS?

SpeeedyJan 16, 20191 votes

base AD wont change so that is a constant and i didnt take into armor because even at a 0 armor target its less damage proposed so adding armor against the base values only helps the true damage conversion of the current IE vs the new IE multiplier. Also I didnt take into AS since they are all basically the same within 5% of each other at the 9k gold spent

AlzonJan 16, 20191 votes

Base AD is part of your autoattack damage, and it sure does change on a crit - it doubles. If crits only doubled bonus AD, no one would ever build it, even Yasuo, and both he and Tryndamere would be trash.

So, I suggest you add something like 90 to each of your raw AD values to account for base AD. I guarantee you will see a difference in the comparisons between builds.

SpeeedyJan 16, 20191 votes

ok 120% crit with 70 AD base and IE+2 Zeal is 280 average damage per shot (140x2) with new items its 70 AD Base 75% Crit and IE +2 Zeal = ((140x3)+(140x7x2.25))/10 = 262.50

still less so

100 base ad same thing ok 120% crit with 100 AD base and IE+2 Zeal is 340 average damage per shot (170x2) with new items its 100 AD Base 75% Crit and IE +2 Zeal = ((170x3)+(170*7x2.25))/10 = 318.75

again no change

Dr DogJan 16, 20191 votes

like i said the changes rn are aimed at pre 3 items not post, having actual power before the 3 item spike is what adcs need to actually get a lead or snowball and the consistent crits will help with that a lot and it opens up the bot lane meta for champions like xayah and ashe that basically have no good starting item because of the item update before-hand, and you also glossed over what i said about it being better long term, a squicky dps role with no self sufficiency is doomed as a wholes as the META is rn and no changes to them will fix that unless they get overbuffed, every role has periods of being the worst role and rn its marksmen, if tanks start making a comeback these changes will have adc back into a good spot in no time

SpeeedyJan 16, 20191 votes

how is it better long term:

We went from 100% crit rate to 75%, We are now back to RNG fights of "hope I crit more than them"
Damage for them went down at 3 items (see math above); and will be down at full build since we need 4 items to get 100% crit and have to give up either life steal or armor pen.
How will these changes help kill tanks? You can go 4 items to get 100% crit, boots and armor pen, now I have no life steal; or go 3 items get 75% crit, armor pen, boots, and life steal and still deal less damage from the current since we lost 25% crit chance even with the multiplier.

Also gold didn't change so all of the spikes will happen at the same time of in game time.

Stray KatJan 16, 20191 votes

Losing damage is exactly what the boards have been begging for(For the last year at least. Before that it was "STOP NERFING STONG CHAMPS! BUFF WEAK ONES UP TO THEM!"). It might not be ideal, but it IS what players have been asking for.

Starts with one set of items, maybe it'll make it's way on over to the other characters throughout the season - Who knows really.

SpeeedyJan 16, 20192 votes

except the weak champs(tristana, cait) are getting nerfed and the strong ones are getting buffed(lucian), how does this help?

ΗuaweiJan 16, 20191 votes

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Losing damage is exactly what the boards have been begging for(For the last year at least. Before that it was "STOP NERFING STONG CHAMPS! BUFF WEAK ONES UP TO THEM!"). It might not be ideal, but it IS what players have been asking for.

Starts with one set of items, maybe it'll make it's way on over to the other characters throughout the season - Who knows really.

They also nerfed the duo pene build path for mages.

But you're right. People beg for damage nerf and now its like "wwwaahhh wahh my class" like omg