how to get out of bronze help please

skippey95·Jun 22, 2015·1 votes·975 views

DISCLAIMER: IM NOT A GOD. IM NOT WORTHY OF CHALLENGER IM NOT FAKER OR LUSTBOY INSERT PRO PLAYER. I DONT THINK IM PERFECT AT THIS GAME. okay in a normal blind pick game i always have golds and silvers and the occasional plat player. my mmr in norms is on average 1350. but the average bronze ranked mmr is 750 or something. i win lane trades cs ward roam play my champ very well ect. but my team isnt on the same skill lv as me and its costs me a lot of my ranked matches. any actually advice would be helpful and please refrain from the typical high elo repsonses "youre just bad. you deserve to be there" bull. actual advice on how to carry "bad" players. i can play every role effectively so advice for carrying each role would be great. i main Kat, sej, irelia, thresh, and lucian. i play all these champs very effectively.

41 Comments

tonzillacrayonJun 22, 20152 votes

play kayle you play hard champions that hinder you. All you have to do is play a little better each game and you get out of bronze np

skippey95Jun 22, 20151 votes

i play these champs very well. they arent just champs i play sometimes these are champs i can mechanically play extremely well. but ty for the advice

tonzillacrayonJun 22, 20152 votes

" i play these champs very well" if that was true you wouldnt be in bronze and asking for advice to get out.

skippey95Jun 22, 20151 votes

then you didnt read the first half of this. my play isnt the issue tho im not claiming to be perfect as i said in the intional statement yes i will mess up but that usually isnt my issue. i asked how to carry with "bad" teams and listed the champs i play. no matter what league youre in you cant win a game 1v5. especially in this point and click cc tank meta.

tonzillacrayonJun 22, 20151 votes

incorrect ive carried countless games by myself even in platinum/low diamond. i read all of this im telling you right now you dont have to be perfect but you claim to be good at the champions. you are not good at them players who are good at their champions win more games than they lose and rank up. especially "very good" im "very good" at kayle and annie because they are easy and im diamond 5.

skippey95Jun 22, 20151 votes

okay. i understand you. point and click wins. but i have 60-70 games on each of these champs. ive been told and read play what youre best with in ranked and thats what i do and i usually win my lane and roam and such like i said previously. again im not asking how to improve my play cause my play is past my current league and im fine with that. i want to know how to carry bad teams. teams that dont ward teams that team fight in between red and baron pit vs sej and gnar. teams that let nasus free farm to 1k stacks.teams that continue to fight a 10-0 draven at 6 minutes. how do i carry those kinds of players?

tonzillacrayonJun 22, 20151 votes

ok im going to explain something to you. If you are good at your champion and you win your lane you will win more games than you lose and you wouldnt be in bronze. Some things you "know" may be incorrect and it shows otherwise like ive said you would move up. You say team too much this is solo que your team is irrelevant its all about YOU. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZr_bmRLOXc please watch this and get everything you previously had out of your head. this is an lcs coach he also coaches solo que. Watch this video do what he says and i put my life on it that you rank up

skippey95Jun 22, 20151 votes

watching it now lol

tonzillacrayonJun 22, 20151 votes

gooood goooood :D i was like you before i blame everything but my mother until i learn from this guy then i go from gold to diamond

DrNovaJun 22, 20152 votes

You arent diamond, or even gold. You are unranked.

tonzillacrayonJun 22, 20151 votes

y u no accept friend request ;)

ProvengreilJun 22, 20151 votes

because he's not stupid?

tonzillacrayonJun 22, 20151 votes

he said im unranked i show him otherwise but he doesnt accept. if anything he is stupid by saying im unranked.

ProvengreilJun 22, 20151 votes

OP.GG sure thinks you are, and you were gold season 4. No ranked games this season. The forum itself gives a "last season" marker, directly from riot, showing you to be season 4 gold. So we're calling you out on your "I'm a Diamond" BS.

tonzillacrayonJun 22, 20151 votes

just because im posting on an account doesnt mean its the only one i own. added you for a sec :D hows that for bs?

ProvengreilJun 22, 20151 votes

I'm on a crappy laptop 2 states away from my computer, I won't be able to log in for another week.

tonzillacrayonJun 22, 20151 votes

unlucky but rest assured im not on my main account and can prove it sooo yeup go try to seem like mcgruff the crime dog somewhere else.

skippey95Jun 22, 20151 votes

i never got one but this vid he told me to watch is actually helpful. i dislike its telling me to play point and clicks stuff but the other messages so far are good lol

tonzillacrayonJun 22, 20151 votes

why? point and click stuff lets you think about the game if you could control zed you wouldnt need tips.

skippey95Jun 22, 20151 votes

i can my teams cant. i know thats against everything the video has and is saying but thats my issues right now. like thats how my games are playing out so i try to match his roam with champs like kat and stuff instead of the point and clicks. but i really do like this vid so far. but i think it more applies to g-d because there isnt much difference in play up there like hes been saying in the vid

ProvengreilJun 22, 20152 votes

Ignore this crayon dude. He's kind of an ass and all kinds of wrong. You posted a poll about diana so I'll answer in specific regard to her.

Keep playing diana, make her yours. You clearly like the playstyle and I can confirm from personal experience (usually the wrong end) that she can carry quite well. Your bread and butter will be the skillshot: even when you know it's coming it's weird to dodge it. practice hitting them at about 3/4 of the way through the arc.

if you find yourself doing well in lane, but unable to truly stomp, shove lane, then go to tower. shove lane, then go to tower. Shove lane, then roam bot. call in your jungler and tell him your plan right before the third shove. 4 man gank bot, get dragon, go back to save mid tower.

Try buying item 3284 as well. it'll lower your damage output/tankiness a bit, but diana is already quite fast, so with masteries, those, and maybe a item 3285 (moreso after the changes), you'll find yourself exerting quite a lot of extra map pressure. If you are truly a cut above and are playing her well, the whole map will begin to feel this pressure and you'll advance quite fast. Don't worry about your opponent's tower: it'll fall when you rotate bot one last time, take their tower, and bring 3 or 4 to crush the midlane one as well.

ZileanUltJesusOPJun 22, 20151 votes

play only nasus. Congrats you are gold now

Live2LetDieJun 22, 20151 votes

Alright, here we go after looking at your stats.

Wards, you buy one ward every 5 games it looks like. You need vision everywhere. Buy more wards, buy pinks, help the team stay alive.
Work on your CS. It looks like you average 170 cs everygame no matter how long it goes. CS>Kills. Shoot for 10cs a min, even though thats perfect, and try to get to that 6 per min mark.
ROAM, if your winning lane then take that advantage and share it among eveyone else.

skippey95Jun 22, 20151 votes

yeah i typically play with a 5 man team that focus on getting me fed to carry.so i normally farm champs and they buy wards. but when im not with them i do ward a lot more and upgrade my trinket to double green. as for cs kat kinda suffers in that aspect but i usually dont play her in blind by myself because the communication isnt what im use to. but ty for the advice.

RookPusherJun 22, 20151 votes

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yeah i typically play with a 5 man team that focus on getting me fed to carry.so i normally farm champs and they buy wards. but when im not with them i do ward a lot more and upgrade my trinket to double green. as for cs kat kinda suffers in that aspect but i usually dont play her in blind by myself because the communication isnt what im use to. but ty for the advice.

eesh.

So you shouldn't be relying on 1 person to carry. If it happens - fine. But that can't be your aim. If the enemy team has the slightest idea that you're doing it, they can shut it down permanently. Try to get everyone doing well.

If you want to play an assassin in mid that can farm easily try learning Malzahar. He's unmatched in pushing, he can farm while AFK basically, and he's got crazy DPS. Max E first, W second, and take 1 point in Q at lvl 3 just to have some extra juice/silence.

Even against your hard counters, if you just play like a coward until your jungle ganks him, you usually can ruin teams. Also, because he's such a threat, you tend to take up a lot of the enemy junglers time (unless he's smart and abandons mid altogether).

DrNovaJun 22, 20151 votes

lol. You shouldnt rely on one person to carry, but when people come in to complain about personally doing well but getting tons of shitty teams, they are told to "carry harder"

RookPusherJun 22, 20151 votes

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lol. You shouldnt rely on one person to carry, but when people come in to complain about personally doing well but getting tons of shitty teams, they are told to "carry harder"

Right, but that's an organic occurrence. He's saying they go in with that plan. Which I'm saying creates problems. If the sole purpose of the game is getting you fed and you give up first blood, everyone is demoralized.

skippey95Jun 22, 20151 votes

this 5 man is just me and my friends screwing around on blind they do well most of the time but im usually the hard carry. so i dont really focus too much on analyzing the games with my friends cause we just screw around a lot. we dont play ranked 5's so going in with that plan usually works lol

DrNovaJun 22, 20151 votes

But we are generally talking about solo Q, not usually does the team all day "Lets make sure player B gets fed"

No, because talk around here is it doesnt matter if you have bad teams often, you need to carry harder. So everyone goes in assuming they will need to try to carry the game.

Hence the problem. Players that dont deserve bronze get stuck there by a perponderance of bad teamates. Community says they need to carry themselves, your team doesnt matter.

Community is full of idiots and Elitists who have for one reason or another made it out of Elo hell and refuse to accept that there is a thing (defined one way or another).

Soon as ANYONE on your team gives first blood its demoralizing, because at low elo's this is generally the weak link on your team who will never learn from that death and continue to snowball an enemy into your eventual demise.

skippey95Jun 22, 20151 votes

see? this guy gets it. people try to hard flash in on a 50% health adc ignite and get exhausted cc'd then give first blood because they tried to carry so hard

RookPusherJun 22, 20151 votes

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But we are generally talking about solo Q, not usually does the team all day "Lets make sure player B gets fed"

No, because talk around here is it doesnt matter if you have bad teams often, you need to carry harder. So everyone goes in assuming they will need to try to carry the game.

Hence the problem. Players that dont deserve bronze get stuck there by a perponderance of bad teamates. Community says they need to carry themselves, your team doesnt matter.

Community is full of idiots and Elitists who have for one reason or another made it out of Elo hell and refuse to accept that there is a thing (defined one way or another).

Soon as ANYONE on your team gives first blood its demoralizing, because at low elo's this is generally the weak link on your team who will never learn from that death and continue to snowball an enemy into your eventual demise.

Well I agree with you until that last statement. First blood is ultimately irrelevant. The problem with low ELO's is that no one ever thinks their strategy is wrong. Which generally means they thing everyone else is wrong. If you're assuming the person giving FB is the weak link, you're part of the problem.

Too many B5 players think:

Strats from upper divisions work in B5. They don't.
The gut is better than the mind. Sure, you say CS is important, but it doesn't feel as swag as a kill, so stfu
(And this is my favorite) yeah, towers are important, but how do you get those towers? You get fed on kills. So stop tying and chase this guy through the jungle which can't possibly be a bait with him running toward his team.

The problem in the B5 is the game isn't an FPS. And they want it to be an FPS badly. "Sure, you win with just CS and towers, but that's boring, so I'd rather roll the dice and hope I'm pursuing a less terrible strategy because I'll be damned if I don't enjoy myself to hell with what everyone else wants."

DrNovaJun 22, 20151 votes

I think the biggest problem in the Basement is the lack of learning. Those games that quickly spiral out of your control no matter how well your doing is because people dont learn.

Objectives droppng like flies? Your team wont start protecting/getting objectives A player has died two or three times trying to kill enemy lane or getting ganked? - They wont play safer or ward any better

ect ect ect...

And you can try as nicely (or sometimes rudely) as you want to give tips or coach or say STOP FUCKING DOING THAT MORON, it doesnt matter. The players that hold you back are the ones that refuse to change anythign as the match goes on.

Partially because they are stupid, and partially because sometimes them just hammer fisting the keyboard leads them to have 21-3 games and makes them think they are good, but in reality they just hammer fisted better then an equally shitty opponent.

These types of game usually are screwed from about the 5-10 min mark.

skippey95Jun 22, 20151 votes

yeah but im the best player of the group so they rely on me for wins and i rely on them to ward and die for my penta lol but seriously i havent played mal. dont own him either. dont really like the farm/team fight mids that much either because you lose to easily to assassins and you have to rely on their mistakes to win lane. plus if they cant kill you theyll go bot lol thats what i do with kat anyway lol i can see mal being good tho cause hes wrecks me so hard when i play kat lol might get him soon and give him a whirl tho

RookPusherJun 22, 20151 votes

i main Kat, sej, irelia, thresh, and lucian. i play all these champs very effectively.

So my advice would be this. Depending on where you're playing these champs, find some alternative options. There are really two ways to do this.

Play the highest tiered champs in every role or
Play a counter to those champs.

You don't take top tier because meta says so. You take top tier in Bronze because chances are you have a troll on your team and you need to help carry when they're trying to anchor.

I think Diana is a smart champ because she's tanky and an assassin. Beyond that, here are some problems. Thresh relies heavily on your ADC getting CS. But you're in Bronze and your ADC is more interested in blowing flash and ignite whenever the enemy ADC is at 50% HP. Thresh also isn't getting any armor by level. So don't pick him.

If you need tank supports, I'd go with Braum, Sejuani, or Volibear. (Freljord's finest). If you're going mage, I'd go with Zyra, Lulu, or Zilean. Not blanket. Take something that either compliments your ADC (Varus has no mobility so Zilean is a great compliment) or counters your ADC (Draven has no wave clear and is squishy so Zyra is great).

Having said all that, preference helps a great deal. So find somehting within the top tier that works with you. But in Bronze, you're fighting gravity so the best choice is always going to be the one you don't need a lot of help with. In fact the best thing Bronze strategies are always:

Be willing to pick up another lane when someone autolocks and "takes" yours. Do not let pride get in the way. Go with a flexible champ.
Ward/call MIAs/push towers three times more frequently than going for kills/Know that CS and towers matter a lot more than kills/dragon/baron.
Be ready to dodge all the time. 5/30 minutes is better than 50 minutes of rage with a loss.

skippey95Jun 22, 20151 votes

good advice. ty for not being like the guys above you right now lol

DrNovaJun 22, 20151 votes

You either hae to cheese it by abusing an overpowered champ or two, or hope to get lucky with matchmaking

VecuuJun 22, 20151 votes

Short answer: play more Diana. You have a very good KDA and record with her.

Long answer: Shrink your champion pool to your very best champion in each role. If you went back in time and stopped yourself from playing all of those champions that you have a 0-1 record with, you'd already be Silver. Don't play champions that "counter" champions or the "meta" champions blindly. Play what you're good at, and do that over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again until you're out of Bronze.

skippey95Jun 22, 20151 votes

yeah i like diana but ive shied away from her for some reason lately. i did go from b5 to b3 in 9 games with her so idk why i stopped playing her honestly lol you brought up an excellent point

skippey95Jun 22, 20151 votes

not counting promos

skippey95Jun 23, 20151 votes

ive decided to not play ranked until next season. after playing ranked today an losing the majority of my games (again because my other lanes fed and we're bad at the game). getting out of bronze is not possible and if it is i simply dont have the patience to deal with people who say " at least we won laning phase" when theyre 0-10 as a lane or " dude youre a troll you wont give me blue" when hes 3-7 against an aniva as ekko. most people in bronze do not know how to play the game and i can not and will not deal with this garbage. i know all the comments are gonna be blaming me and my play but no. look at my ranked match history and youll see the teams i get when i lose. not to mention the toxic players.