RIP Tanks

Randomguy1018··2 votes·1,450 views

I am a toplane troll and i used to main all sorts of tanks back in s6, DrMundo Trundle Maokai Nautilus and etc. Trundle was my favorite champ, I made it to diamond in s6 with this ugly troll and had like 67% wr on him. But right now, you can't even find him in opgg anymore cuz there aint enough sample size for Trundle

Not just Trundle ,but pretty much all top lane tanks are just bad these days. According to opgg, the lower tier top champs are filled with tanks. So I tried a few games myself played some tanks in d4 mmr( sry thats my limit ), and yeah I think I understand why tanks aren't as good these days.

During laning phase, most tanks don't have enough damage to pressure their enemy, which widens the choices for ur opponent during champ select. They can pick a scaling champ to just free farm and outscale u, or pick a lane bully to punish u in lane depending on their comp.

Imagine picking a toplane tank in champ select, like Nautilus , here's wuts gonna happen:

1st scenario ur opponent instalocks Kayle , or any other champ that scales better than you. He knows that u'll never be able to pressure him so he just free farms and wait to scale as the game progresses. If ur mid/bot/jg r even, in the long run, u lose your lane, and ur lp.

2nd scenario ur opponent picks a lane bully, ie Darius . u turtle under tower for the first 10 min cuz u know u can't win trade against a bully. If he dies to u once its no biggy for him, but if u let him kill u once ur pretty much done. Unfortunately that's how snowball works. Eventually, he's gonna gain more gold and xp than u. This means that he's more likely to become a greater threat to ur team than u r to his.

3rd scenario similar to the 1st one, ur opponent picks a split push champ like Nasus . U still won't be able to pressure him early game, and sadly he does scale better than u as well, ( at least in 1v1). After 15min farm then u realize u can't stop this guy anymore. In that case, u either try to hard engage in a 5v4 when u see that dog split, or u just walk around struggling wut to do and eventually lose objectives.

4th scenario ur opponent doesn't care wut u pick. He looks up opgg and locks in the highest wr toplane champ this metaHecarim , shove his lane, then walks around the map and ganks ur teammates, because he has better mobility than u and he is op, u lose ur lane priviledge again, perhaps ur lp as well.

We can tell that tanks r likely to get outscaled, countered, outroamed, punished in lane and split pushed by their opponent for their lack of 1v1 potential. This happens becuz tanks in soloq aren't likely to gain their lane priviledge, and thats where the snowball begins. Im not writing this to tilt all tank players, but if ur tryin to climb in soloq, i would suggest you not to pick a tank. Its just that the cost of playing a top lane tank this meta is too big.

In fact, there are also other cons when u play tanks

FIrst of all, lets look at wut tanks do. In my opinion, tanks r supposed to absorb damage, zone the enemy (peel/engage), and provide an ideal environment for ur carries to do the damage. However, if ur carry dies when u landed a 5 man ult as Malphite or tanked a century with DrMundo , the cc u provided and the damage u absorbed soon become meaningless, becuz the source of damage for ur team is gone and ur just a tank. Therefore, picking a tank for ur team means that ur putting hope on ur carries. But, if they don't know how to position, or they r just trolls, then its pretty much game.

And btw, tanks rn't rly as tanky as b4. ( conquerer op) Ever since riot nerfed the hp on the tank items, i feel like tanks tend to have less hp then a bruisers. Consider a full build Irelia , building bruiser items ie item 3078 item 3065 item 3053 item 3047 item 3026 item 3748 item 2138 with this build, Irelia can have around 4k hp when she's lv18, with decent amount of resistances, and enough damage to kill any carry with her full combo. She can also heal from her abilities and conquerer that stacks with item 3065 , making her even more difficult to kill. Doesn't matter if her carry is a troll or not, she can be the carry herself if the player has good mechanics. Imagine being a huge threat to the adcarry that can dash around and do tons of damage in a team fight, meanwhile having 4k hp and decent amount of resistance. U may wanna ask ur self, wuts the point in playing tanks?

Im not saying that Irelia is op, maybe she is, but there's also Darius Hecarim Jax Renekton Riven that can abuse conquerer and the similar build and pretty much do the same thing.

Maybe that's just how this meta works.

16 Comments

bluefire mark 23 votes

Meanwhile, just had a game vs a moakai top who outdamaged me as an aatrox with a phage and dorans blade when he has just a dorans shield and spectral cowl.

roughvan5 votes

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Meanwhile, just had a game vs a moakai top who outdamaged me as an aatrox with a phage and dorans blade when he has just a dorans shield and spectral cowl.

That only happens if you actually let him land Q on you every time as his q is on quite short cooldown while having good cc so he can hit you once and outsustain you with his passive.

Tanks are awful in this meta and unplayable.

bluefire mark 24 votes

Yes, exactly, and I have to walk into q range to even hit him, and he can just use w. Yeah tanks are quite bad, but only because they aren't TANKS. They die to fast, only because true damage and health percent. I've had trouble killing tanks with champs that don't build penetration, and the other thing, I've seen games where tanks do THE MOST DAMGE. Tank the MOST damage. Just not okay. Rammus especially. Rammus is just terrible.

Vlada Cut1 votes

[{quoted}](name=bluefire mark 2,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QAw0YPZi,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-12T06:55:49.520+0000)

Meanwhile, just had a game vs a moakai top who outdamaged me as an aatrox with a phage and dorans blade when he has just a dorans shield and spectral cowl.

If you didn't take Conqueror then don't be surprised.

bluefire mark 21 votes

I had conquerer and mr runes

Death by Glamour1 votes

Thats what happens when you run armour runes into a magic dealing tank

bluefire mark 21 votes

Had mr runes.

Death by Glamour1 votes

no you didn't, you had adaptive damage and double armour

Düff McWhalen1 votes

[{quoted}](name=bluefire mark 2,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QAw0YPZi,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-12T06:55:49.520+0000)

Meanwhile, just had a game vs a moakai top who outdamaged me as an aatrox with a phage and dorans blade when he has just a dorans shield and spectral cowl.

Jokes on you for playing that weak ass champion. Aatrox is nerfed into the ground and useless.

boricCentaur11 votes

So your post about tanks being bad you list a champion who gets counted by them as a reason for them being bad, did you also stop playing the game too after season 6.Hecarim gets fucked by champions like Maokai and Poppy since they can apply pressure to him pretty help and just shut him in team fights.

Randomguy10181 votes

u can check my id and see where im at. btw, i dont just pick random champs that counter tanks, the champs that ive listed above r the most popular ones that ur very likely to lane against no matter what. And also, i dont think if Maokai wins trade against anyone this meta

Vulkus I1 votes

Buddy I could record a play I did where I tanked 3 people wailing on me for nearly 20 minutes as Poppy and I end up killing 2 of them and making the other run away. "Tanks can't tank" - false statement.

Randomguy10181 votes

I can do the exact same thing too when I play in lower elo, but not in d4 ranks.

heroikc1 votes

Trundle is a fighter and tank killer, and Mundo is a statball...and also a juggernaut fighter (in the same vain as Volibear in the latter part)

Randomguy10181 votes

there rly isnt much difference cuz they lack the mobility and burst to shut down a carry, the only thing they can do is to zone and tank.

heroikc1 votes

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there rly isnt much difference cuz they lack the mobility and burst to shut down a carry, the only thing they can do is to zone and tank.

They also lack solid CC like real tanks; slows at most.

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