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Volker··7 votes·670 views

(Referring to ADC casters) I have been noticing tanks are pretty strong in solo queue lately and building an early botrk seems to be the best approach for adc's. But some adc's are just not good with it as an early item, such as cait. This gave me the idea of a new item that might bring some other AD casters back into the game a bit. (I don't watch much competitive play, maybe AD casters are currently pretty balanced. This is based off my solo queue experience). One possibility:

60-100 attack damage Passive: Grants 15% of your bonus ad as flat armor pen. (15% would probably be op, but you get the idea)

If you had 200 bonus ad, you would have 30 additional armor pen.

or: 60-100 attack damage Passive: Grants 5% of your bonus ad as additional armor pen.

If you had 200 bonus ad, you would have 10% armor pen.

(graves might need to be nerfed first)

Edit: Everyone seems to think it would be OP, do some math first, you will find it wouldn't be good, unless you had some heavy ad to back it up. It would add some diversity and make 'some' champions "better/different".

Edit: I wonder if it was even worth posting on this site. 90% of the people who replied were answered with a quote from my post, meaning they either didn't bother to read it, or just didn't understand...

33 Comments

Live2LetDie2 votes

Armor is already needed to the ground. Lw with another armor pen would be to much.

Volker2 votes

I disagree. If it scales off ad, Blade wouldn't synergise with it, disadvantaging you. It would make AD casters more viable against tanks. In my opinion.

not bad just lag2 votes

I think this is a great idea maybe change the scaling a bit. ADC definitly seems to be a bit of a lackluster role at the moment, even when they get ahead in game they seem to have little impact. This would help them out with that. ADCs' don't have much choice of items as it is right now. I think there should be multiple different major AD items added to the game to add more variety. Doing this would fix the issues that ADCs' are facing right now. Good quality idea +1

Volker2 votes

Yeah, it would might make Caitlyn's Q relevant late game. lol

Big Lincoln2 votes

let's not make tank items even more negligible

not bad just lag1 votes

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Big Lincoln2 votes

all i've seen is bruisers and devourers

ADCs don't need "help" dealing with tanks, they already have item options to fight them.

hell, this would just make AD casters even better at annihilating squishies and they sure as fuck don't need to do that better

Volker1 votes

AD caster I can 100% guarantee you, are absolute trash against tanks. Perhaps you are right about the squishes being 1 shot, but then thats why I said my second possibility. Percentage Armor Pen.

Volker1 votes

I don't know why you think that. It wouldn't buff all ADC's vs tanks. Only certain AD casters, and you would also have to build differently for the item to be good. Kinda like a flat AD build. Might be good for caits Q for example, which, lets be honest, is kinda useless late. Unless you hit multiple targets.

Big Lincoln1 votes

Every caster ADC has strong enough AAs with crit and AD to handle a tank, not to mention Last Whisper is core on them regardless of BoRK's viability.

The only caster who's struggling is Lucian, and that's not because of items.

Volker1 votes

I'm not saying AD casters are struggling if they have a standard adc build. My idea is, trying to make stacking more AD, rather than a hybrid of attack speed, crit, and damage, more viable.

Big Lincoln1 votes

giving them more armor pen to make their higher AD even more damaging isn't the solution

all you need to do is make essence reaver not complete ass garbage so they have an item they can use that crit-carries wouldn't really care about

Ralanr1 votes

By AD casters do you mean champions like pantheon?

Cause I'm wondering if people are getting the concept confused.

redniwediS1 votes

He's mainly talking about caster ADCs.

Ralanr1 votes

Shame. AD casters seem less prevalent nowadays.

Volker1 votes

You're right, I should edit that lol. But yeah, I'm talking about adc's.

redniwediS1 votes

Now are you complaining about Tanks or Bruisers? The reason I ask is because many Bruisers are also AD Casters, and could easily benefit from these items.

Volker1 votes

Both. If you don't build into blade with some attack speed, you do almost no damage to tanky enemies.

redniwediS1 votes

Well, I don't know about the Bruisers you face, but I main Garen. At full build I always hit 250+ AD, and would love to add one of these two items to my build. It would only cost me a little bit of health to do so, so I'd realistically be just as tanky but with the additional armor pen.

On top of that AD Assassins would get far more benefit here than Marksmen. With Last Wisper armor would be next to impossible to effectively use, and instead of pushing down tanky champions a bit and raising up caster ADCs it would put us right back into an Assassin/Mage meta.

Volker1 votes

Garen has about 115 base ad, so you would have roughly 135 "BONUS" ad. Which would give you minimal armor pen. Not worth it. The idea of this item is to make stacking AD on an ADC not complete garbage. (Using the scaling I said you would get 20 flat armor pen, or 6.75%. Not worth, may aswell stick with IE).

No one seems to understand this. It wouldn't be "op".

redniwediS1 votes

I didn't say it would be OP, I just said it would be an effective item on him and others like him. Garen is a Fighter after all, so while I build him as a Bruiser he can achieve far more AD than 250 with a more Fighter styled build.

The point is these items will likely help other types of champions more than the type you're trying to help, and those champions will, in turn, take a massive dump on your caster ADCs.

Volker1 votes

If you were playing Garen and had 5 BT's and then my item idea (we'll say it gives +80 ad). You would have 115 (+480 bonus AD). This would result in 72 armor pen. If you had a standard Garen build, with a bit more AD mixed in, you might get like 200 bonus ad, which is 30 armor pen. Might aswell get Brutalizer.

redniwediS1 votes

What exactly would make this good for caster Marksmen? What about this item assists them in fulfilling the ADC role? What about this item makes it more viable on caster Marksmen than it does on other roles, like the Assassin role you have yet to comment on.

Volker1 votes

Champs like Sivir, Cait, Varus, Graves, and maybe Draven, and Lucian would be ok. It would give you an alternative to the basic ADC build where 35+ mins in game all you do is right click and your abilities aren't as strong as early mid. So you could go a bit more AD and rely on your abilities a bit more late game.

redniwediS1 votes

Could you touch on the Assassin issue?

LtTwinkyDough1 votes

I think maybe Zed would be good with, since he can build so much AD. Other than that, they wouldn't really want the item. Maybe there a small amount more. Talon maybe.

Fiveofswords1 votes

last whisper is how u kill tanks as adc...but you do not need it early. early u just farm.

Volker1 votes

Last Whisper with a Botrk is how to kill tanks.

Swollwonder1 votes

Haha

No

Volker1 votes

Elaborate, or do you not even know?

IridocycSho3z1 votes

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