@Meddler Why do you think Yasuo is too strong if he has less than 50% win rate in plat+?

Whírlwind·Dec 11, 2016·4 votes·568 views

I don't think a champion should be balanced around the low elo, if you look at Yasuo his play, win and ban rate go down the higher division you go.

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LostFr0stDec 11, 20164 votes

It's not about him being strong or not, it's about him drawing so many bans. Same with Syndra once her winrate dropped so they reverted the dmg nerf they were going to give her. She was still drawing a ton of bans even with a lower winrate, so that indicated that there was a frustration/counterplay issue in her kit that needed more than number tweaks. Same with Yasuo. It's not good for a champ to be permabanned.

WhírlwindDec 11, 20161 votes

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It's not about him being strong or not, it's about him drawing so many bans. Same with Syndra once her winrate dropped so they reverted the dmg nerf they were going to give her. She was still drawing a ton of bans even with a lower winrate, so that indicated that there was a frustration/counterplay issue in her kit that needed more than number tweaks. Same with Yasuo. It's not good for a champ to be permabanned.

Yeah, but Syndra was picked and banned in worlds a lot, unlike Yasuo who didn't get picked or banned even once. Also a lot of people ban Yasuo because they don't want him to be in their team which also leads to a difficulty in balancing I guess.

LostFr0stDec 11, 20161 votes

Syndra wasn't nerfed due to worlds, otherwise the nerfs would have hit her soon after worlds. She was specifically nerfed due to ban rates and the uprising after they reverted her pbe dmg nerfs "since her win rate went down, musta been a meta thing she's balanced." When they investigated they found counterplay was the issue.

Yasuo has the same problem as Kalista and Azir; the gap between seasoned and fresh is too huge for people to want to take the chance. I think you're right about the balancing difficulty.

Doctor JarvisDec 11, 20163 votes

Win rate isn't the only factor. They also look at how warped a game becomes just for having that champion in it; at what point are you playing around Yasuo TOO much? Im not saying he's OP (he's not.) but that is a concern about Yasuo.

Jaygo41Dec 11, 20162 votes

This.

Has nothing to do with such a blanket stat like win rate. He's not fun to play against and he warps the game around himself.

WhírlwindDec 11, 20161 votes

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Win rate isn't the only factor. They also look at how warped a game becomes just for having that champion in it; at what point are you playing around Yasuo TOO much? Im not saying he's OP (he's not.) but that is a concern about Yasuo.

Well, I agree that he has a lot of impact (negative and positive) in a game, but that brings the question if a nerf is justified if the champion isn't overpowered.

Akali is SO HOTDec 11, 20161 votes

Riot balances around both. Otherwise assassins would never get nerfed. A lot of Assassins have always had subpar winrates in plat and above, but they get nerfed every year because of low elo QQ.