@Riot if you want to make AP Shaco viable, you should take the 'disable traps' function off sweepers

hiroshima1945·Nov 4, 2016·5 votes·792 views

You'd think that revealing invisible traps would be enough...

Anyone with a reliable and quick engage can completely disable all of Shaco's boxes in an area instantly just by toggling their on as they engage.

Unsatisfying seeing all that setting up as Shaco going to waste because this trinket covers basically the entire lane.

"Shaco players should feel good about tricking their opponents, rather than merely appearing out of nowhere"

Even with the ult change, Shaco's teamfights are still going to be trash as long as this item exists (or remains unchanged). Until then, we'll have to settle with split pushing and picking off the enemy carries as we have been doing for years now.

@Riot Meddler

17 Comments

crzymdscntstNov 4, 20162 votes

Same thing happens with Teemo. It's even worst on alternate modes like ARAM.

While counteracting his shrooms is good, there is definitely a point where playing him becomes worse because of a free item the enemy gets. It's definitely not that they're countering his shrooms even, but that they're countering ALL of his shrooms. It doesn't matter how cleverly you've placed them when it comes to the sweeper.

The duration of it and it's cooldown mean that it's always up for just a single champ to use when it counts, which is annoying in itself, much less when an entire enemy team starts using them. It means that if your team actually has been warding, oftentimes the sweeper is better on account of the enemy team just getting a free wipe of all your placed vision. (Counter-play aside I mean, take advantage of when they try that definitely if you can.) Trinket-wise, it's a counter with no counter. It'd be like rock-paper-scissors where rock could never beat scissors. Scissors always wins.

SaiannaNov 4, 20162 votes

You mean oracle, right? Cause sweeper is gone from ARAM.

Anyways I do think it's stupid that 1 item (oracle) counters Teemo, but without it Teemo is pretty much going full rampant.

crzymdscntstNov 4, 20161 votes

Ooh, yeah, that's what I meant. Same idea. Permanent anti-stealth or long-term anti-stealth both have the same effect in this case. At least in ARAM you can hit minions with shrooms to AoE enemy champs or do some other nifty tricks though. In Summoner's Rift, it's a death sentence to see enemies start sweeping en masse.

RequiemsfireNov 4, 20161 votes

Most people won't sweep unless they know shrooms or wards in that location. Thing is Teemo is more than just dealing damage with his shrooms its about map control not grouping them would often cause enemies to sweep areas where only one shroom would be. You can also use them as early warning systems or to slow minion wave advancement as well as an easy escape.

You're right to say that if sweeper didn't counter his shrooms teemo would be unstoppable or at least incredibly broken considering the damage they can do.

hiroshima1945Nov 4, 20161 votes

Just played AP Shaco and I've never felt more useless (despite having the most kills) playing against a Hecarim who would toggle his item 3364 just before he ulted or engaged with E.

Shac NorrisNov 8, 20161 votes

Everytime you play against someone with at least half of a brain, they will get that free item that lasts 10s and that completly disables you as a champion.

Yet RIOT nerfed QSS (you could remove Zed's ult with it), saying that an item should never disable a champion's ability.

You see how fucked in the head they are?

DracocrashNov 4, 20161 votes

look. while your idea seems to be decent if you only think about shaco. if you thinnk about other champions it messes up.

Imagine not being able to disable teemos shrooms with a sweeper. >.<

hiroshima1945Nov 4, 20161 votes

I mean, they'll still be revealed so you can walk around them.

SaiannaNov 4, 20161 votes

I think sweeper could "damage" invis objects like Mushrooms / JitB to the point where you'd need just 1 hit to kill them. But then you should not be able to simply disable them.

RengClawNov 4, 20161 votes

they removing the mobile one i belive

hiroshima1945Nov 4, 20161 votes

Source?

RequiemsfireNov 4, 20161 votes

I'm not really sure if Riot is into the whole plant a million boxes into a bush and then have them nuke some unlucky incomer with no interaction on Shaco's behalf.

hiroshima1945Nov 4, 20162 votes

You can't stack boxes anymore since the Shaco update on the PBE.

I just want the 'disable invisible traps' function removed from the trinket.

Shac NorrisNov 8, 20161 votes

People who don't play AP Shaco will never understand.

SwiftKitten88Nov 4, 20161 votes

the issue i have with it not "disabling" the boxes is that if your a melee champ you cant GET in melee range to clear the box WITHOUT it attacking you and fearing you

hiroshima1945Nov 4, 20162 votes

Then walk around it? The trinket is just too strong of a counter for Shaco boxes right now.

You really have to play Shaco to understand I guess...

SwiftKitten88Nov 4, 20162 votes

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Then walk around it? The trinket is just too strong of a counter for Shaco boxes right now.

You really have to play Shaco to understand I guess...

... walk around it? the ENTIRE POINT of sweepers is to "CLEAR the PATH" of wards and enemy traps.

and on another point.. shako is already hard enough to catch with the invisiblity/flash and his clone. if all he has to do is place a box down and it 100% guaranteed to fear you and let him escape.. how in the world is that balanced? how many "get out of jail free" cards does this guy need?