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Explain this to me.

d1JWkRp3T4··2 votes·353 views

Can someone explain to me why LP is solely rewarded for winning/losing a game? Aside from the typical "this is a team game." nonsense. If this game is such a team game, why keep track of INDIVIDUAL kills/deaths/assists at all? I'm pretty sure Ranked Teams is where players should be rewarded on a Team basis. In Solo/Duo queue, individual performance should be rewarded, even if it's a minimal reward. That's not to say that ONLY KILLS should be rewarded.

Dunkey mentioned this in one of his videos before: Other things such as showing up to teamfights, placing wards, CS'ing well, taking objectives, etc. should be taken into consideration. As of right now, the only logical way to rank up is by going on lucky win streaks repeatedly. Personally, I feel like LP should be calculated based on Individual performance + Team performance. The amount of kills/deaths/assists, wards placed, should all be taken into account, and LP added into a pool along with Team performance, like taking objectives winning/losing, and then a final amount of LP should be calculated based on all of that. That doesn't mean if you lose a game, and ultimately lose X amount of LP, that if your individual performance was great that the LP for that would cancel out the LP you loss from losing. If you lose a game, you lose 20 LP, and then calculating how your individual performance was, if you did good, you get e.g.,5 LP, ultimately only losing 15 LP. So that way grinding Ranked games isn't absolutely tedious and you actually feel like you are doing something besides literally farming Ranked games.

I started playing this game last year, first time playing Ranked I got placed in Silver IV. I had fun with some different champs (Shyvana, Irelia), and immediately got bored with Ranked once I realized how it worked. I actually started playing ARAMs more than Ranked games because I felt no desire to play Ranked games over & over, only to go on either a lucky 5+ game win streak or an unfortunate losing streak, literally making the process of "ranking up" tedious and boring.

This is an honest to god, serious question. I'm not trolling, so don't flame me. I'm relatively new to Moba-esque games and don't really have any knowledge of how their ranking systems work. I truly don't believe anyone has a valid reason to argue against this or to defend the current Ranked system. It would benefit everyone.

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S H A Y C 02 votes

im actually on board with the individual metrics for solo q...im just warning you, the downvotes are about to come raining down like brimstone during an apocalypse, so hang in there bruh [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

d1JWkRp3T41 votes

[{quoted}](name=ToiletteOfDoom ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Pv6PQPtb,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-02-01T17:15:01.990+0000)

im actually on board with the individual metrics for solo q...im just warning you, the downvotes are about to come raining down like brimstone during an apocalypse, so hang in there bruh [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

I hope people don't downvote this question. I personally think it's a legitimate point, and deserves some debate. Even if someone has a rational argument as to why Ranked currently works the way it does, I'm willing to accept that and argue a rebuttal. Sensible conversation & feedback from players should never be shunned because some players disagree with it. IMO.

Thanks for being on board, though. I'm not saying my suggestions are the only way to incorporate this type of thing, but that's why debating about it is a good thing. Maybe someone will have a better idea. I'm not a game designer, I'm just putting in my two cents.

S H A Y C 01 votes

i dont really care to weigh in on implementation..regardless riot will do something entirely different so id be wasting my time. However, if you are going to have "solo Q" the metric should be based on values related to an individual. If you are going to have "dynamic Q" or "Full Teams" then it should be based on team performance... basically win loss.

What we have now is everythign is W/L and your W/L can be heavily affected by RNG / random bad players or afk's and DC's. A great many people are going to argue that eventually "if you git gud" your W/L in solo Q will reflect that...but its not accurate and i will disagree until flying monkeys come out of a snails butt and take over the world (basically forever)

TekkenPlayer2 votes

Because the LP system brings the big bucks.

If its win or lose, then ranking would be harder thus more rewarding. It keeps players in a cycle of endless ranking sortve like a capitalist system. It makes the game also more competitive, forcing people to play the fotm thus revealing exploits often more although consequently making the community more toxic. Longetivity.

Longer players stay = more chances of people spending RP and increasing revenue.

shyv1 votes

k but i just looked up your match history and your score / "individual performance" is always bad are u sure you want this lmao?

d1JWkRp3T41 votes

[{quoted}](name=trying too hard,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Pv6PQPtb,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-02-01T17:43:56.011+0000)

k but i just looked up your match history and your score / "individual performance" is always bad are u sure you want this lmao?

You looked up every match I've ever played? Cool. How did you do that? I wanna do that to you.

d1JWkRp3T41 votes

[{quoted}](name=trying too hard,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Pv6PQPtb,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-02-01T17:43:56.011+0000)

k but i just looked up your match history and your score / "individual performance" is always bad are u sure you want this lmao?

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/39049432#matches

Some pretty awful games there, bruh. No wonder you don't want this.

Despite your obvious troll attempt, yes, I do still want this to be added to the game. Even if you do poorly, at least the loss of LP will feel DESERVED. Thanks for proving my point, kiddo.

shyv1 votes

those are normal games where i'm playing champs i don't know how to play but nice try.

except for that shyv game where i had like 700 ping. but obviously in ranked i only play champs im good at and don't go into a game if i'm going to have high ping because i'm not a complete idiot.

i don't care about normal games at all. feel free to look at my ranked match history though, one trick leona into gold in like a week lmao

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