How to beat a fed yi as a champ without cc

SmosheyDogey·Apr 30, 2017·21 votes·10,408 views

Usually play hard carries without cc what do i do when my team cant cc the yi good enough and i dont have cc like how to shut him down

EDIT: first post i ever get more likes than dislikes wow

109 Comments

DoctrorpheusApr 30, 201732 votes

IF literally no one has cc on your team u dun goofd.

Even if enemy team doesn't have a yi, you're all clowns and deserve the L.

manbearswineMay 1, 20172 votes

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IF literally no one has cc on your team u dun goofd.

How would you even do that? Pick 5 morderkaisers?

Admittely due to the nature of of yi's kit there's a decent amount of cc he doesn't care too much for. Slows he will outright ignore. Delayed things will be avoided via q. Unreliable skillshots are likely to be avoided via the big movement speed, or q.

Also he kills incredibly fast(once he's out of his q), so maybe the OP isn't about no cc, but more about no pointclick/instant cc?

NiyumiApr 30, 201722 votes

Nothing. You accept the fact that he automatically wins when he right clicks on you (despite Riot stating they "hate" braindead statchecks).

JoxcabApr 30, 201714 votes

Yeah how dare a team lose because they were all fucking idiots who decided CC was so last century?

Ben SharpioMay 1, 20171 votes

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SociopathFriendMay 1, 20172 votes

It's not THAT hard to draft a comp without CC. It's stupid and no doubt doesn't happen often- but not impossible. Bear in mind- slows don't work on Yi while ulting.

Also to be clear, you need TWO CC, because Yi can and probably will Alpha to escape just one CC.

SmosheyDogeyMay 3, 20171 votes

or decided to pick champs they find fun

JoxcabMay 3, 20171 votes

Okay, so have fun then?

RengoooApr 30, 201712 votes

"How to beat a fed Yi with no cc?"

You don't fed him :/ Or gg.

Thief of SpaceApr 30, 20178 votes

If this is a 1v1 situation with him,

You don't but there is an exception.

SlythionApr 30, 20172 votes

Warwick too

RengoooApr 30, 20173 votes

Lol good joke, fed Yi would rofl stomp Ww

SlythionApr 30, 20172 votes

depends on WW's build and just how fed we are talking here

WW with item 3153 item 3748 item 3143 item 3075 item 3742 item 3047 would beat a Yi

you forget that now only does WW have lifesteal and natural damage reduction, but he also has long cc as well (WW can 1v1 Tryndamere at all stages of the game btw, if that's a good reference to WW's dueling capabilities with melee autoattack carries)

RengoooApr 30, 20171 votes

I smell an overly confident Warwick main :/ Crit, true damage and life steal will out scale on hit any day.. The only stage of the game ww could win is early, but most champs destroy Yi early.

There is very few enemies who can face Yi in a honest 1v1 when he builds.. item 3047 item 3153 item 3046 item 3031 item 3033 item 3139

Troll for TrumpApr 30, 201710 votes

I don't think any yi builds like that

RengoooApr 30, 20171 votes

A Yi against little to no cc that is fed would.. As the post says..

Troll for TrumpMay 1, 20176 votes

They wouldn't take QSS, they'd just build bruiser, or full glass cannon, depending on whether he needed survivability.

RengoooMay 1, 20172 votes

Possibly true, given the lack of cc, but if ww was consistently targeting Yi with ult then it is a very viable option.. Regardless, if you swap that for a blood thirster or a tanky item Yi is still going to win that fight..

SlythionMay 1, 20173 votes

I don't play ww much, if at all

I just don't think people really give WW enough credit for his 1v1 capability is all. Considering his insane damage reduction, fear, long-term cc on ult that heals him, massive heal from q, and increased attack speed when the target is low

all-in-all, I feel like a yi would lose to ww more times than not (and I play a decent amount of Yi)

RengoooMay 1, 20171 votes

Don't get me wrong, WW is a fantastic duelist, the issue is his kit actually has very little damage in it, it all revolves around healing and inate tankyness.. But no amount of tankyness and healing without the proper damage to back it up will ever bet a hyper carry like Yi who is building to duel, the damage is just way to high and Yi's healing late game with ruined king wont be far behind Warwicks.

SlythionMay 1, 20172 votes

I feel like this should be tested, because honestly at this point it's all theoretical

"what specific items did they build"

"what point in the game is this" (because I think we can agree, ww beats yi at least until late game)

"how fed is yi?"

"just how much healing to damage does each champion have against eachother?"

I saw you make the argument that WW doesn't have the burst to access his steroid by getting Yi low, but I don't think WW needs burst. WW has about 3 seconds of hard cc just in his kit alone. WW has 3 seconds to lifesteal and whale on Yi all he wants before Yi can auto back, and this is after 2.5 seconds of 55% damage reduction and WW getting 3 free hits + heals + onhit effects (botrk + titanic) from just his ult alone.

Basically, WW gets 2.5 seconds of damage reduction followed by 5ish autos of healing + onhit effects in which Yi can't do anything in the meantime.

imo, it really just depends on if Yi is able to survive WW's ult at a high enough hp, which also depends on when ww uses it. Idk, I imagine it'd at least be a close fight, but I'm honestly just arguing for the sake of playing out this scenario in our heads.

Auz the RipperMay 1, 20171 votes

Warwick with item 3146 item 3115 item 3135 item 3742 item 3091 item 3047 would probably win in a 1v1

Q would deal a minimum of 786 raw magic damage to Yi (factoring in his base health) R is dealing 930 raw magic damage and gunblade adding 322 damage for a grand total of 2038 damage in 1.6ish~ seconds, getting Yi to the point that blood-hunt triggers then executing him with 145 physical and 135 magic damage autoattacks with 2.16-2.5 attack speed with the bonus sustain from gunblade with tabi+deadman's stopping Yi from killing WW first Yi will need at least two big MR items to not immediately become blood-hunted and then ground down and will need mortal reminder to stop you from from out-sustaining him

the Damage from Warwick's ult continues (as long as the target remains in a short range) even if the suppression is QSS'd, so that's less of a concern and if yi is building both mortal reminder, QSS, and one other big MR item he's gimping himself a bit just to counter you and (hopely) your teammate will have an easier time fighting him

i really don't get why more people don't build WW as a AP on-hit bruiser. Sure the farming is awful but he can just removes squishes from the map, duels extremely well, and can easily position to catch people out

No flash no lifeApr 30, 20174 votes

If the yi is too fed to the point where you can't deal with him, and there's no cc available, and this is low elo: item 3512 item 3060 x5

KayleeTApr 30, 20174 votes

become really good at Vayne Xayah only champions ik who can solo him late game

ElohavenMay 1, 20172 votes

They have CC. He said without.

MunchCrunchLunchApr 30, 20173 votes

you lose.

even if you have hard cc. you can't 1v1 master yi. the only champions that can 1v1 yi late game are Jax and tryndamere. and probably fiora. but that is it.

DaNinadMay 1, 20171 votes

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you lose.

even if you have hard cc. you can't 1v1 master yi. the only champions that can 1v1 yi late game are Jax and tryndamere. and probably fiora. but that is it.

Zed

LankPantsMay 1, 20174 votes

Zed loses to Yi extremely hard. He can't burst through Meditate and Yi's lifesteal. Once he dumps his burst and Yi survives he has nothing that can stop Yi.

PermabannedGarenMay 1, 20172 votes

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Yi will beat Zed's candy ass 1v1 late game with virtually no effort lmao.

Crimsonknight90May 1, 20172 votes

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you lose.

even if you have hard cc. you can't 1v1 master yi. the only champions that can 1v1 yi late game are Jax and tryndamere. and probably fiora. but that is it.

AHEM XinZhao

MunchCrunchLunchMay 1, 20171 votes

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AHEM

he beaats yi early game. not late gmae

MagicFlyingLlamaApr 30, 20172 votes

Either your team gets good or you die.

JackMcSnipeyzApr 30, 20172 votes

Nothing, yi is a very simple binary champ that relies on brute force of stats. He does have counters, but it's either you shut him down, or he shuts your ass down.

VolphiMay 1, 20171 votes

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JackMcSnipeyzMay 1, 20172 votes

No champion really is, very few are. But in terms lf outplay potential, he has very few ways to fuck up if he's ahed, and very little room to outplay if behind. That's not bad, he's a simple chamo for newer people.

VolphiMay 1, 20171 votes

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JackMcSnipeyzMay 1, 20172 votes

What's not binary about "either they have CC or they dont" thats the most binary thing in the world. His Q is his only real outplay tool, all the rest is passives, and his Q isnt very hard to use. Again, im not saying he's braindead, but he definitely doesnt take a lot of mechanical skills.

VolphiMay 1, 20171 votes

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General TherittMay 1, 20172 votes

Sadly, this is pretty false. Well, there's a small variety of ways to approach situations and fully develop Yi, in comparison to more wild types of duelists, a fully developed Yi who understand nearly every intricacy could tell you with full confidence there are so many better picks than Master Yi to fulyl master. Yi has about 2 styles to approaching a fight besides using the terrain: Run forward and slice things, or Alpha strike to avoid the CC and hope that the system doesn't decide the CC hits first. The difficulty in these approaches is the equivalent of running at somebody with a knife saying "I'm going to kill you"; not hard at all. Yi is one of the few champions i'd argue has the game's lowest skill ceiling in terms of just outright maximizing his potential. Compare it to Malphite , a champion who seems very binary but provides a wide variety of tactics to his assault: ulting in, picking off a target with his Q, buying item 3025 and flashing with an E>AA>W>AA, or ulting in, or ulting back to defend his backline. Yi can't really do anything besides his alpha and rushing forward (without ult or not) and slicing. His W is generic sustain which makes his decent in the jungle, and the true damage to rip through ganks so his gimmick of slicing up targets works against almost all targets. Why use Yi when you could use Warwick , a champion with an equally low skill floor, but ridiculous skill ceiling with so many ways to approach ganks, be tanky while dealing damage, hunt down targets, provide tankiness or damage, or a variety of clearing and pathing.

To agree Jack, Yi's pretty binary. He doesn't have a lot to f*ck up besides his autoattacks, managing his alpha, and... that's about it. Positioning and prediction rely more on general game knowledge, something Yi introduces at a minimum for early on players until they can access and try difficult or different characters. TL;DR: You're making Yi seem much more complex than he really is.

Crede777Apr 30, 20172 votes

Yi is kind of one of those champs that you either:

Need CC or
Need to prevent from getting ahead.

There's some others like that such as Vayne, Tryndamere, etc. Just know the champs and know what they require. Play accordingly. Why isn't Yi or Trynd common at the pro levels? Because pros know to do numbers 1 and 2 above and can easily deal with them or end the game before they become relevant.

You also need to pick up champions with CC if you do anything other than only play ADC. You can't always play squishy carries with no CC and expect your team to bring the tank and CC.

FantasySniperApr 30, 20172 votes

Ninja Tabi and Randuin's Omen are basically your only options. Don't fight him if he's using his ult.

SpecterVonBarenMay 1, 20172 votes

Win the game before he scales.

SohleksMay 1, 20172 votes

I don't know.

No CC is just asking to lose in general TBH !

DarkHeadgearMay 1, 20172 votes

Don't feed him
Build armor
Focus him in teamfights, he doesn't teamfight well if he's only equal or behind.
PICK SOME DAMN CC IN YOUR COMP JFC who goes into champion select and thinks "Zed top, Katarina Mid, Jinx Jungle, Ezreal ADC, Nidalee support" It's really hard NOT to have a single lockdown spell on your team.

TimX24968BMay 1, 20172 votes

how to beat him:

Learn not to feed a hypercarry without any CC.

Project omenMay 1, 20171 votes

If we're talking about a 1 v 1 scenario and you play a champ with no cc whatsoever: Tryndamere is the only champ I can think of that can fight him, but if the Yi is fed he would probably win the duel. Jax can also fight him, but he has a stun so idk if you would count him in. Fiora could kill him if somehow Yi fucked up, but it's not likely. All in all, Yi is probably one of the best skirmishers/duelists in the game.

TimX24968BMay 1, 20172 votes

trynd can outduel him if he has enough items and his ult.

Mig89May 1, 20171 votes

Kayle has a chance

Project omenMay 1, 20171 votes

I thought of her, but I still don't think she can win. Yi can drop her health down to low fast and can medicate until her ult is over and then finish her off.