the W of bard

teemotp··14 votes·9,834 views

I think loading W-Caretakers's shrine of Bard should go faster with levels like Ivern 's P-Friend of the Forest, and that leaves to nerve the heal loaded in late.

We do not have 10 seconds to wait in late and the balance team understood it with Ivern.

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Posui Gart7 votes

Without faster passive, Ivern would not be able to farm lategame at all. Im also not sure if Bard really needs a buff. If he does, something like this could work. Or just do the opposite and hardbuff lategame charged heal so that there is a reward for actualy waiting for full duration(+10xtotal meeps heal from fully charged shrine and double MS boost, for example)

CaptainAntiHeroz3 votes

tbh i think his W should be reworked, not because when it works it doesn't heal tons but because so few people will play with a bard be at low health and think "let me let this thing charge up to heal for the most" mostly they just want to be healed immediately especially since most Bards just want to do damage go on adventures or harass their lane really only using W to hand out a speed boost.....

Violet Fields3 votes

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tbh i think his W should be reworked, not because when it works it doesn't heal tons but because so few people will play with a bard be at low health and think "let me let this thing charge up to heal for the most" mostly they just want to be healed immediately especially since most Bards just want to do damage go on adventures or harass their lane really only using W to hand out a speed boost.....

So it should be reworked because your lane partner doesn't know or care what it does?

CaptainAntiHeroz1 votes

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So it should be reworked because your lane partner doesn't know or care what it does?

because most lane partners don't know or don't care what it does and if i tell them it heals them they'll just step on it as soon as it spawns

And bard is more aggressive then "I can heal you bunches" so it feels kind of out of place

General Esdeath 1 votes

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So it should be reworked because your lane partner doesn't know or care what it does?

Welcome to Riot Games, who removed ward upgrades for pink wards on your trinket slot because "not enough people bought it". Hey, remember when Akali Rengar Vayne Shaco Twitch Khazix all got a buff because "not enough people bought it"?

The Kombinator3 votes

Yeah the problem is more like the fact, that most players won't abuse it. Also in teamfights it's kinda worthless unless you get a rare of a kind long poke fight.

I would change the cast on teammate effect.

Casting on teammate would give a healing over time effect, that heals up to 5 seconds charge ticking every 0,5 seconds. So you could heal better on the move. Cannot be stacked with itself. If you got those basic attack buffer stuff, then you would sacrifice one when you use on teammate directly for increasing the heal over time for the full 10 seconds period.

Casting on ground would work as it is now. It's great for early, game, and for special cases still. But for teamfights, and fast moving fights the cast on teammate would be a bit stronger. Casting on ground also remains as instant heal which can be stacked 3 times. So it would still worth using it, if you got the time.

teemotp2 votes

it's true but it does not cost anything to implement it in the game for those rare times where it will serve and change everything

Horse Grenades2 votes

I completely agree, Bard's useless W is the reason he isn't played way more often

Big Nasty Mèat2 votes

Bard's W is one of my favorite things about his kit, its super versatile and placement is extremely important, but it is annoying that your ADC will instantly forget they exist when the slightest bit of pressure is applied. The icon should be more attention-getting.

PhantomPrankster2 votes

i thought this thread said the w word and thought someone was being offended by a word that starts with w

teemotp1 votes

I'M GONNA SAY THE W WORD !

Dorans Pants2 votes

As a Bard main, these requests for Bard´s W always make me nervous. I personally feel pretty comfortable with most of his power being located in the dmg and utility department than in healing.

I get that having one ability that is so lackluster compared to all the others is annoying, but I fear that since he is not in a particularly bad spot at the moment, as far as I know, buffing his W would prompt riot to cut power away somewhere else and I don´t think moving power from the areas he excels to ones where he couldn´t compete anyway is not a good deal.

teemotp1 votes

well they buff toplaner without nerfing them so they can do it for a support nobody play

Ariel the Cruel2 votes

And how well does normally work out? Also, how often does riot actually like to buff supports? (Regardless of player base.)

teemotp1 votes

support usually get small change when top (and khazix lol) always get BIG unjustified buff. I think that riot has forgotten us.

the only time we talk about us is when our items are nerve because other lanes use them

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

Dorans Pants2 votes

What would you say if they gave bard the teemo treatment and raised his shrine count to 5? this way you could spread them out more for escape routes, roaming, or to help out jgl/mid a bit more. right now, you usually have 2 right next to you (1 charging) and 1 you can place somewhere else, which feels very restrictive. It doesn´t solve the original problem, but it would play into his roaming and open up more possibilities for strategic shrine placement.

  • a quality of life change, so you can see how many shrines are still active (without having to hover over the ability), would be nice
Terrorist58121 votes

The speed buff can single handedly win u the lane. Imagine if it was a soraka heal as well.

teemotp1 votes

[sg-lux-2]

Aatrox Eichmann1 votes

honestly, as a guy who climbed out of silver with bard i can say that it usually doesnt matter. out of lane, I'd say I value the speed boost more so than the heals. with the items you buy anyway like redemption/unholy grail/ardent censer you heal for quite a decent amount just by putting your cursor under an ally in fights and pressing w for instant speed boosts and heals. i found his W exceptionally good at letting allies like a 5-bleed darius or a hyped-up jinx chase people down

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