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Nasus buff's to strong?

ZL EchoXray ··4 votes·756 views

This is not a rage post I am rank 7 on Nasus and thoroughly enjoy the champion but I was just playing as Rengar top lane and 2/0 Nasus before he even hit level three, he then just rushed thornmail I in turned built black cleaver and Mortal Reminder.

I do want to point out I had a massive cs lead and gold lead on him. I believe by level 11 he had around 200 stacks which id say is pretty typical for me even when I play Nasus but he hits level 11 and I start to duel him and basically it goes like this AA,Q,AA,Q,AA,Q,AA,Q and I get demolished (while he did not even have sheen).

I do happen to get away but I feel the need to point out i was 5/1 at this point and he was 1/5 and he absolutely demolished me in fights after that only allowing me to kill him once after this I think the update to his ultimate may just be a bit to strong in terms of his passive.

any tips or feedback would be great I thought I knew Nasus pretty well but perhaps I am overlooking something. Thanks

Edit: I'm not an inexperienced Rengar either Rank 7 on him as well.

18 Comments

Meep Man2 votes

One game I reached 600 stacks as Nasus by 26 minutes in by farming a ton and could take out 3 out of 4 people in a 1v4.

ZL EchoXray 1 votes

I typically can accomplish this without Q maxing on Nasus and I played him yesterday and I was quite literally unkillable after building death's dance and was healing for 400 health per q which was every second.... hence is why I think the Nasus buffs/changes may just be a bit to strong.

Darkdemon6532 votes

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I was just playing as Rengar top lane

Rengar is a jungler. Any experience you had with him in top lane holds no value.

Slythion4 votes

That's just...wrong

A 5/1 Rengar with solo lane xp and gold vs. 1/5 Nasus with significantly less gold

those are the facts that matter in this scenario, not where the xp and gold came from haha

You wouldn't go to a post saying "The 0/5 Akali with 50cs kill me as a 6/1 Ekko w/ 100cs!" and ask "ya but what lane hmmmm?"

LyingOnLine2 votes

Rengar is a Diver/Assassin though. The whole point is that he gets to come out of nowhere with his invisibility and his leap to delete squishies.

Why shouldn't he be losing duels against the very immobile Nasus?

Slythion1 votes

Rengar is more of a Diver/Fighter after the rework, you're post makes me think you haven't played in awhile (not an insult, just makes me suspect your knowledge is out of date) but besides that:

why not ask for details about how the fight started? Why does it matter where he got his resources from when you're really worried about how he fought the fight?

Terror131 votes

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Rengar is more of a Diver/Fighter after the rework, you're post makes me think you haven't played in awhile (not an insult, just makes me suspect your knowledge is out of date) but besides that:

why not ask for details about how the fight started? Why does it matter where he got his resources from when you're really worried about how he fought the fight?

As I recall, rengar was in the ASSASSIN rework, so no he is not, he is an assassin, more assassin now than he ever was.

Slythion1 votes

The only way you could believe this is if you haven't seen Rengar's role in the game since the rework. I'm fairly confident that Riot themselves even stated that they're alright with the Diver role that he's developed over Assassin.

Like, just because he was an assassin at the time of the rework doesn't make it definitive proof that he is an assassin. You let labels carry more meaning than the reality of the meta.

And how even is he more assassin now than he ever was? He lost burst and stealth safety in favor of more consistent damage w/ durability and cc-wipe. Basically he lost assassin qualities and gained diver qualities. Even if we both agreed that he was still an assassin idk how you could make the argument that he is "more assassin now than he ever was"

ZL EchoXray 1 votes

The problem is my build was entirely armor shred aside from spit's visage and it got to the point were my full combo even with black cleaver last whisper duskblade would only tickle his health bar and at most I got was a quarter of his health bar with the assistance of blitzcrank..

Terror131 votes

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That's just...wrong

A 5/1 Rengar with solo lane xp and gold vs. 1/5 Nasus with significantly less gold

those are the facts that matter in this scenario, not where the xp and gold came from haha

You wouldn't go to a post saying "The 0/5 Akali with 50cs kill me as a 6/1 Ekko w/ 100cs!" and ask "ya but what lane hmmmm?"

Building full defense, and getting good stacks matter.

nasus is often expected to feed a lot early as people bully him, as long as he gets his stacks well, this part of his playstyle.

If rengar stopping him stacking fine, but 200 stacks by level 11, which seems about 13-15 mins is good, seeing as 300-500 is considered amazing by 20 mins, and if hes got 200 by 15 mins, hes definitely gonna get at least 350 by 20 mins.

Terror131 votes

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Building full defense, and getting good stacks matter.

nasus is often expected to feed a lot early as people bully him, as long as he gets his stacks well, this part of his playstyle.

If rengar stopping him stacking fine, but 200 stacks by level 11, which seems about 13-15 mins is good, seeing as 300-500 is considered amazing by 20 mins, and if hes got 200 by 15 mins, hes definitely gonna get at least 350 by 20 mins.

Besides, the new rengar gets super powerful VERY late, I find it very fair you are losing to nasus midish game, with all ur mobility and mechanics, hes meant to have some strong stats because he lacks that stuff.

Quepha1 votes

Nasus had 200 stacks so it's not like he was being completely shut out of farm.

ZL EchoXray 1 votes

Rengar is definitely associated with jungle but is nowadays stronger top lane then he is in the jungle.

Sujiren2 votes

Gonna say this over and over again, but his ulti has too short of a cooldown, it has to be significantly increased especially at rank 1 if its to be allowed yo remain this strong.

LyingOnLine1 votes

Nope.

ZL EchoXray 1 votes

To Enlighten those of you who do not know Rengar currently sits in the Meta as a diver and actually sits at a comfortable 53% win rate in the top lane and according to challenger Dekar actually fights better in the top lane then in the jungle after rework.

All im stating that is a Nasus who has been deprived of cs/xp and doesn't even have sheen should not be so strong I think the buff to his q on his ultimate may just be a little to strong especially when i'm 5/1 to his 1/5

Edit: I was also running exhaust if this holds any merit in the conversation.

Terror131 votes

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To Enlighten those of you who do not know Rengar currently sits in the Meta as a diver and actually sits at a comfortable 53% win rate in the top lane and according to challenger Dekar actually fights better in the top lane then in the jungle after rework.

All im stating that is a Nasus who has been deprived of cs/xp and doesn't even have sheen should not be so strong I think the buff to his q on his ultimate may just be a little to strong especially when i'm 5/1 to his 1/5

Edit: I was also running exhaust if this holds any merit in the conversation.

You said it yourself, can you not handle having anyone else in the meta but your fave champs that been in meta for like a decade now?

The difference is, you'll be able to jump in, delete 1-3 squishes in his team late game and disappear, even a few tanks, nasus will win this duel against you because he deserves to, but he won't be able to do the same late, he'll run in, get cc'd, kill no one then run back to his team or die.

Darius and Garen would have done the same to you, you are only complaining now because someone who was always meant to if he stacked right is now doing it, also him building full tank instead of sheen is just counter counter you more, not less.

Quepha1 votes

How did he have 200 stacks if you were beating him so badly? I just don't understand why you let him get any cs at all.

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