WHO heals harder Janna R heal or Fiora r HEAL

Devil king teemo··1 votes·1,260 views

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viridianArcanist4 votes

So I was bored and did some math on this.

Janna's ult heals for 600 + 150% AP while Fiora's ult heals for 700 + 300% bonus AD.

A Janna that builds item 3041 item 3089 item 3040 item 3027 item 3027 item 3027 will have 1116.369 AP.

A Fiora that builds item 3141 item 3156 item 3508 item 3072 item 3031 item 3139 (really any of the 80 AD items work, I just wanted to list them all) will have 525 bonus AD when she is at less than 30% health.

With those builds Janna's ult will heal for 2274.5535 health while Fiora will heal for 2275. Have fun with that knowledge.

yukumari1 votes

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So I was bored and did some math on this.

Janna's ult heals for 600 + 150% AP while Fiora's ult heals for 700 + 300% bonus AD.

A Janna that builds item 3041 item 3089 item 3040 item 3027 item 3027 item 3027 will have 1116.369 AP.

A Fiora that builds item 3141 item 3156 item 3508 item 3072 item 3031 item 3139 (really any of the 80 AD items work, I just wanted to list them all) will have 525 bonus AD when she is at less than 30% health.

With those builds Janna's ult will heal for 2274.5535 health while Fiora will heal for 2275. Have fun with that knowledge.

Thanks!

Dreadlocks2 votes

rotfl, i love it. I'm guessing you did the math and figured the Mana on 3 roa's + S.E outweighs any of the 100ap items?

IcyPepper2 votes

With those builds Janna's ult will heal for 2274.5535 health while Fiora will heal for 2275.

I have a feeling whoever designed Fiora stayed up all night to figure this out just like you, and gave just the right base/scaling to Fiora just so you could do this.

.5 health difference? Can't be a coincidence! D:

But wait.

... What about runes and masteries?

Norr1N1 votes

Better idea would be to list standard builds for both. In other words, Fiora could easily have that build uber late, whilst Janna will probably have only Mejai's and possibly one other support/AP item before full tank so the difference is even bigger when in real-world scenarios. Although even if Janna did go full AP, she'd need 4 stacking items and 2 multipliers to barely go even with Fiora? Hmm...

Upside for Janna? It's on-demand and has a knockup, in exchange for Fiora's damage focus which I suppose isn't really that significant considering their roles. I would have assumed Janna's was much higher at base values with low AP ratios to avoid her going mid/going AP (although she won't be turning the tide of battle with damage but by a healing factor).

In short, assuming the above post to be true, Fiora's ult should heal secondary targets for less and/or reduce her base heal amount. This would negate the whole build full tank but still heal tonnes/provide utility and true damage via base values. I.e. give her the Ekko treatment. Champions who don't need much items/gold to be useful should be in the support category, not damage dealers since that's just asking for qq threads (and they wouldn't be wrong either) imo.

Edit:

This just gave me a followup question, if Fiora parried Janna's knockback from her ult, would it instantly stun her? Cuz dang, that would suck lol.

Martyrofsand1 votes

Well baseline Janna's at max rank is 200 per second with 50% AP scaling ratio And Fiora's baseline at max rank is 140 per second with 60% bonus AD ratio

Janna's ticks 4 times for 800 while Fiora's ticks 5 700

Janna is a support who doesn't get to build much AP mean while Fiora is a top lane duelist who builds a crap ton of AD and if she gets 100 bonus AD suddenly her heal is 200 HP every second for 5 second which would in fact make it stronger than Janna's, really all she needs is enough to increase the value by 25 healing per second to match Janna's and after that she just buries her.

That said Janna's ult is generally used for disengages, via the knock-back and the healing tends to be a bonus not the prime function. Fiora's by contrast is about enabling her to proc her passive to gain move speed and true damage and again the heal seems more like a bonus after the fact as well. Both ults have their own purpose and once they fill those it seems like someone said "eh I don't think that's enough tact on an AoE heal and call it good" which comes off as kinda lazy imo but maybe that's just me.

Kaeblen1 votes

It seems to me that Janna getting a heal to go with her peel makes a lot of sense.

Getting an equal heal to go with your Murder Tool is a little odd.

Devil king teemo1 votes

love math

Myrddin1 votes

I agree we should really be nerfing janna, heals that much and is insane disengage wtf.

The heal should be removed.

Baby Ghoul1 votes

Am I the only one that uses Janna's R as something other than a heal?

No wonder so many people don't realize her power.

Norr1N1 votes

Scary, I was just pondering this very question earlier today. o 3o

Devil king teemo1 votes

wow dent expect people to get so into this so apparently vote wise Foira is winning

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