5k hp 400 armor darius vs

RengClaw·May 25, 2016·4 votes·1,778 views

I was in a match as darius I had 4k hp with close to 400 armor and got killed in 2 secs by zed with 0 armor pen zed needs a major nerf

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Festive BearMay 25, 20169 votes

Complete and utter bullshit. There is no way ANY assassin can 100-0 anyone with that much armor and health so quickly. 400 armor is roughly 80% damage reduction. That means that only 20% of the damage actually got through. If zed had 0 ARMOR PEN, that means that he had to do... Somewhere around 20,000 to 25,000 damage IN A SINGLE COMBO. That is impossible by any means. Nothing in the game can do that much damage in 2 seconds. I have my own zed main and it gets hard, even in the late game, to do over 2k damage (this includes ult AND duskblade) So you are a lying piece of sh*t that had a couple bad games against zed

LordGeovanniMay 26, 20161 votes

zeds combo has him hitting 3 q's 4 e's and it all multiplying by his ultimate

Festive BearMay 26, 20161 votes

His complete and utter combo is 6 e's and 6 q's. Wit max CDR and 100% accuracy. You would have to be standing in between him, and his 2 shadows to be hit by all of his e's which is almost impossible unless staged or the opponent is really bad. EXTRA E'S THAT HIT THE TARGET DEAL NO ADDITIONAL DAMAGE. EXTRA Q'S WHICH HIT THE TARGET DEAL 50% DAMAGE

A full zed build is item 3812 item 3031 item 3142 item 3147 item 3072 item 3074 . This is the highest VIABLE AD build to have. (So as if you were in a real game) Death's dance: 75 AD 10% cdr IE: 65 AD 20% crit Yoummuu's: 65 AD 10% cdr Duskblade: 75 AD 5% movespeed deal's 25% of target's missing health after 2 seconds after an Auto attack Bloodthirster: 75 AD 20% lifesteal Ravenous Hydra: 75 AD 12% lifesteal

All of this adds to 430 AD. Zed has 113 base AD at lvl 18 (not including runes or masteries) this adds to 543 AD. Wit a full rune page of AD, you get an extra 21= 564
Masteries give you 10 (natural talent) 574. He has 574 overall damage without W passive HIS W PASSIVE (increases bonus AD by 20%) He has 461 BONUS AD (DOES NOT INCLUDE BASE DAMAGE) that gives you 553 BONUS AD. Plus his base (113) he gets a grand total of 666 AD. ILLUMINATI CONFIRMED.

666 AD, that's quite a bit. Now to put it into scaling

His Q has a scaling of 100% BONUS AD, Base damage it deals 235 at max rank. That means it deals 788 to the first target hit (not including shadow shuriken). His w 80% of BONUS AD. Base damage it deals 180 at max rank. His e deals 622 damage (the E from the shadown deals no damage if another E has already hit the target) So one quick Q+E combo deals 1410 damage :|. That's a f*ck ton of damage. OK NOW PLUS HIS SHADOWS His shadow mimicks his abilities used. If he throws out a shadow and then q's, that shuriken deals the same amount of damage it would do. But if 2 shurikens strike the same target, they only deal 50% damage (Halved scaling and base damage) However, his e's mimicked too, but more than one of them striking the same target deals no damage. So only 1 e can do damage, and more than 1 q can do damage but they deal half as much. Shadow Q damage: 394 per shuriken

Zed can have max 2 shadows, so 3 shurikens. With the CDR in this build, he gets 20% cdr meaning he CANNOT shoot more than 5 shurikens. His w shadow lasts for 4 seconds, q cooldown is 4.8 seconds. Ult shadow lasts for 6 seconds meaning he can throw 3 shurikens initially, looses his w shadow, then he can throw 2 (with ult shadow)

SO TO PUT THIS ALL TOGETHER

If he goes against you, ults and he hits you with EVERYTHING he has. Ult included

Q damage (2 full damage, 3 half damage): 2758 E damage: 622 Total from abilities: 3380 PLUS INCREASED DAMAGE FROM MASTERIES = 14% (Assassin, sorcery, double edged sword, bounty hunter (assuming he's killed everyone on opposing team)) grand damage = 3853 AD damage. Sounds like a bit huh? DONT FORGET DARIUS HAS 400 ARMOR, 80% DMG REDUCTION So only 20% effective damage... 770 EFFECTIVE DAMAGE DEALT. Proc thunderlord's... 350 more damage 1120 damage :| dont forget! his ultimate, dealing 234 damage :( (includes all resistances already calculated) so overall 1354 AD DAMAGE. Leaves darius on 2646 health. We still have duskblade, doing a mere 67 damage

SO OVERALL, YOU ARE DOING ABOUT 1420 DAMAGE TO DARIUS WITH A COMPLETE FULL AD BUILD, AND A FULL 100% ACCURACY COMBO. THIS INCLUDES ALL RESISTANCES AND EXTRA % DAMAGE. Nice lie creator, the math tells the truth 1 1/2 hours of calculations pls no haterino

VerxintMay 25, 20167 votes

If a zed killed a 400 armor darius through 5k HP...

400 armor = 80% reduction, 20% effective dmg 1/20% = 5x EHP.

So you're saying Zed did 25,000 damage with a single combo?

Zeds math is wierd but he'd need somewhere in the ballpark of 3500 AD.

DefendedMay 25, 20161 votes

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If a zed killed a 400 armor darius through 5k HP...

400 armor = 80% reduction, 20% effective dmg 1/20% = 5x EHP.

So you're saying Zed did 25,000 damage with a single combo?

Zeds math is wierd but he'd need somewhere in the ballpark of 3500 AD.

Zed can have armor pen... Just saying that is the most flawed math i've ever seen

VerxintMay 25, 20164 votes

I heard from a distant relative once that reading the OP before replying to someone else's reply is usually a good idea

DefendedMay 25, 20161 votes

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I heard from a distant relative once that reading the OP before replying to someone else's reply is usually a good idea

everyone has armor pen initially you dont start with 0%

If that was the case than lord dom would do nothing for hurting tanks because it says +45% bonus. That means its added. You cant add 45% of 0 lol

VerxintMay 25, 20162 votes

.................Really?

I don't even know what to say here.

Like I'm at a loss.

(Ps you can add 45% of 0, it's called 0. Learn to math)

Icestar1186May 25, 20165 votes

The initial armor pen comes from masteries. It's not built in. And for LW items, it means armor pen against the enemy's bonus armor.

DefendedMay 25, 20161 votes

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The initial armor pen comes from masteries. It's not built in. And for LW items, it means armor pen against the enemy's bonus armor.

Thats pretty unclear. So you dont start with some Armor pen? 45% Bonus armor pen of what.. 45% penetration of their bonus armor or of your armor pen?

Icestar1186May 25, 20162 votes

(Bonus Armor) Penetration. Not Bonus (Armor Penetration). There's a mastery that gives you a bit of %Armor pen, but without it you don't start with any.

Angry MonsterMay 26, 20161 votes

I am not sure why you arguing with Gank me pls. It is clear that you do not understand the systems in place.

nananananacatMay 25, 20162 votes

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Zed can have armor pen... Just saying that is the most flawed math i've ever seen

"with** 0 armor pen** zed" - OP

DefendedMay 25, 20161 votes

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"with** 0 armor pen** zed" - OP

You can never have 0 armor pen.... Then 45% of 0 is nothing when you buy a lord dom.

EndlessSorcererMay 25, 20164 votes

Last Whisper (and its upgrades) work against the enemy's bonus armor; they don't amplify your existing armor penetration.

If the enemy had 100 base armor and 100 bonus armor, Lord Dominik's Regards would effectively provide 45 armor penetration.

if the enemy had 100 base armor and 300 bonus armor, Lord Dominik's Regards would effectively provide 135 armor penetration.

DefendedMay 25, 20161 votes

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Last Whisper (and its upgrades) work against the enemy's bonus armor.

For example, if the enemy had 100 base armor and 100 bonus armor, Lord Dominik's Regards would effectively provide 45 armor penetration.

if the enemy had 100 base armor and 300 bonus armor, Lord Dominik's Regards would effectively provide 135 armor penetration.

Is that why when i went full Armor one time against afull AD team i still melted because those lord doms ate 45% of about 400?

EndlessSorcererMay 25, 20163 votes

If you had 400 bonus armor, then yes.

That is specifically what the item is designed to do.

It is less effective when you have sufficient health to back-up your armor.

DefendedMay 25, 20161 votes

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If you had 400 bonus armor, then yes.

That is specifically what the item is designed to do.

It is less effective when you have sufficient health to back-up your armor.

So whats the true counter to ADCs as a bruiser late game? When i pick darius irelia n such i just melt

GaleWinUnleashedMay 25, 20161 votes

That EHP calculation is correct, though done somewhat strangely. Zed (assuming entirely physical damage AND absolutely zero armor penetration, which is not quite the case) would have had to deal 25k damage to kill Darius from full health.

EndlessSorcererMay 25, 20161 votes

item 3142 item 3071 item 3031 item 3094 item 3147 item 3036 item 2140

I could possibly see Zed doing it with some Infernal Drakes. If Darius had 4k health and ~400 armor, then his damage would be rather low (meaning that Zed could stand beside him autoattacking without risk).

That build provides a massive amount of armor penetration for Zed. If Zed managed to get ~3 critical strikes (unlikely, but bear with me) during his ultimate, the damage they add to his ultimate would be massive. Duskblade would help finish off the target after getting him low.

I can't be bothered to do the math on it, but I could possibly see it occurring. Extremely unlikely (and definitely an exaggeration of the OP's part), but I'm kinda curious if it would actually work.

VerxintMay 25, 20163 votes

Reading the OP is useful

I was in a match as darius I had 4k hp with close to 400 armor and got killed in 2 secs by zed with 0 armor pen zed needs a major nerf

Thus why we know he's full of shit: 1. a Zed with no armor pen did that much damage and 2. a Zed with no armor pen.

Tychusfindlay919May 27, 20161 votes

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I could possibly see Zed doing it with some Infernal Drakes. If Darius had 4k health and ~400 armor, then his damage would be rather low (meaning that Zed could stand beside him autoattacking without risk).

That build provides a massive amount of armor penetration for Zed. If Zed managed to get ~3 critical strikes (unlikely, but bear with me) during his ultimate, the damage they add to his ultimate would be massive. Duskblade would help finish off the target after getting him low.

I can't be bothered to do the math on it, but I could possibly see it occurring. Extremely unlikely (and definitely an exaggeration of the OP's part), but I'm kinda curious if it would actually work.

"You could stand beside him"

"His damage would be rather low"

Darius unadulterated base AD is over 140 and he gains free 25% armor penetration. If zed stands near him and gets five stacked, a full tank darius will have 340 AD at level 18.

Not sure zed wants to just stand near darius no matter darius's build.

EndlessSorcererMay 27, 20161 votes

The OP claimed that Zed killed him in two seconds at a full tank Darius (since you are not getting 4k health and 400 armor with AD items. That basically means that Darius has no AD items (i.e. Titanic Hydra or Black Cleaver).

While Darius has good innate damage, he needs to build up to it. Without the autoattack reset of Titanic Hydra or any attack speed items, Darius is going to need at least two seconds to get 5 stack of his passive on his target.

According to the numbers provided by the OP, Darius would not have had time to get the bonus AD from his passive before dying.

Basically, all Zed needs to do is survive Q-AA-W-AA-R in that time-frame. Darius wouldn't be able to really do much more in the timeframe presented

Tychusfindlay919May 27, 20161 votes

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The OP claimed that Zed killed him in two seconds at a full tank Darius (since you are not getting 4k health and 400 armor with AD items. That basically means that Darius has no AD items (i.e. Titanic Hydra or Black Cleaver).

While Darius has good innate damage, he needs to build up to it. Without the autoattack reset of Titanic Hydra or any attack speed items, Darius is going to need at least two seconds to get 5 stack of his passive on his target.

According to the numbers provided by the OP, Darius would not have had time to get the bonus AD from his passive before dying.

Basically, all Zed needs to do is survive Q-AA-W-AA-R in that time-frame. Darius wouldn't be able to really do much more in the timeframe presented

"Zed can stand by him auto attacking without risk"

That was the main quote I responded to from you. And that quote was wrong.

Unless zed is fed and Darius isn't, it's usually a much easier time going for a mage or marksman as opposed to Darius.

Also, OP is retarded, he did have a damage item and he didn't have 400 Armor, he had titan hydra in his build.

EndlessSorcererMay 27, 20161 votes

I'm well aware of that and I was the one who showed their builds above.

It was clearly a hypothetical scenario in which the Darius actually had those defensive stats (and the build it would require), Zed did actually kill him in two seconds, and how it might be possible.

You seem to have missed that.

Tychusfindlay919May 27, 20161 votes

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I'm well aware of that and I was the one who showed their builds above.

It was clearly a hypothetical scenario in which the Darius actually had those defensive stats (and the build it would require), Zed did actually kill him in two seconds, and how it might be possible.

You seem to have missed that.

Thats nice and all but you provided absolutely zero math.

You seemed to have missed the part where if you make a dipshit assumption you at least have to try to back it up with something tangible other than, and I quote, "I can't be bothered to do the math on it."

BC is a maximum of 30% total armor pen.

Youmoos is flat 20

Duskblade is flat 10

The Mortal reminder is 45% bonus armor. 400 armor darius is about 300 bonus armor.

It depends on how the system calculates what first and I forget, but I'll be generous and say it calculates flat armor pen last.

Mortal reminder cuts through 135 armor.

BC max stack and youmoos and dusk would bring darius' armor down to 155.5

155.5 armor darius with 4000 HP. 155.5 armor is well over 50% reduction.

You thinking zed will be able to kill that quickly and providing no math is hilarious

You seemed to miss your fucking intelligence. Feel free to going back to downvoting all my posts. I'm done dealing with idiocy.

Rapid fire cannon on zed... Stupid. Phantom dancer would be the better but still stupid choice on zed since it gives more AS and damage reduction against the guy hes trying to nuke.

RogueWillMay 26, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=gank me pls,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PE4IItw3,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-05-25T19:28:23.174+0000)

If a zed killed a 400 armor darius through 5k HP...

400 armor = 80% reduction, 20% effective dmg 1/20% = 5x EHP.

So you're saying Zed did 25,000 damage with a single combo?

Zeds math is wierd but he'd need somewhere in the ballpark of 3500 AD.

I did the math, Assuming LVL 18, 3 shuriken Hit and no Armor Pen he would need 2500 AD or close to 2000 Bonus AD assuming he does # auto Attacks Which procs his passive. Now the best possible Scenario would be 3 AA that critcs with a Infinity Edge still 3 shurikens, Ult, Passive and 3 AA will only need him 1.1k Bonus damage.

Although even a full tank darius wouldn't achieve 5k HP and 400 armor (unless he has no boots and 2 warmhogs) considering his base HP is 2.2K and base armor is 97

Brimaz The KingMay 25, 20167 votes

Post the match history of that game. Or it didn't happen

EndlessSorcererMay 25, 20167 votes

Found the last game you played as Zed against Darius.

Your build: item 3009 item 3748 item 3068 item 3742 item 1038 item 1053 Zed's Build: item 3111 item 3142 item 3071 item 3153 item 3147 item 3033

Considering he was 19/9 and itemized heavy penetration (and you had significantly less armor and health than you claimed you did in the OP), it isn't really any surprise you got popped.

Angry MonsterMay 26, 20161 votes

but the no pen argument

LOL

DesolationKaizerMay 25, 20165 votes

This sounds like bullshit to me. There's no way a Zed could kill that Darius, let alone be able to kill him quickly. Like someone stated, 400 armor is 80% damage reduction. Not going to happen.

Ruin LanceMay 25, 20165 votes

most obvious lie ever lmfao

SrbLudMay 25, 20165 votes

I checked your history. That game was 6 days ago. You had 100 bonus armor so unless you had 300 base armor you're exagerating. You were 7/9/5 and he was 19/9/4. He had item 3033 item 3071 item 3153 item 3142 item 3147 item 3111 You had item 3748 item 3742 item 3068 item 3009 item 1053 item 1038

RogueWillMay 26, 20162 votes

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I checked your history. That game was 6 days ago. You had 100 bonus armor so unless you had 300 base armor you're exagerating. You were 7/9/5 and he was 19/9/4. He had You had

That's a lot of Armor pen lol, Mortal Reminder, Black Cleaver, Ghostblade, Duskblade. He said he had no armor pen xD when in reality that is a full armor pen Zed lol. No wonder why is 200 armor was feeling like nothing. 45% means he had only 110, minus the 30 flat means 80 armor which gives a modest 45% damage reduction.

SrbLudMay 26, 20162 votes

item 3033 45% item 3071 30% full stack item 3142 20 flat item 3147 10 flat plus 25% missing hp on hit passive item 3153 6% current hp per hit + 10% active

Icestar1186May 25, 20164 votes

That seems VASTLY improbable.