Leblanc revert is bad

The SodoMonster·Mar 10, 2018·4 votes·1,939 views

Saw this on pbe and it motivated me to post when I haven't for years.

Leblanc revert is bad. It doesn't promote game play it promotes a binary un-fun experience. People are just going to explode without having anything to do or say about it or Leblanc will do nothing all game. The whole theme of the assassin rework patch was providing a play / counter play theme to assassins (Zeds ult has a timer, Fizz ult has timer, Talon has bleed etc) - reverting Leblanc is just going to make her feel like old Rengar : he appears and you are dead with no response.

Oh wait you reverted him to.

8 Comments

Daddy BraumMar 10, 20186 votes

Honestly old leblanc was really fun to play When they changed her they removed her Insta burst and changed her from an assassin to a burst mage with a kit that diddnt really fit her I'm personally excited for it and after the rengar q revert was a success I have high hopes for this revert

QuephaMar 10, 20183 votes

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The whole theme of the assassin rework patch was providing a play / counter play theme to assassins

The problem was that this was supposed to be compensated with more utility and functions outside of "blow up key targets with little/no counterplay," which Riot simply didn't do.

SwiftKitten88Mar 10, 20182 votes

wait... lb rework was like the ONLY rework in the entire assassin update that actually worked and accomplished what it needed to.

why on earth would they be reverting it. EDIT: (correction i forgot Khazix 's was good too)

all the other ones were neutral Zed Fizz or bad Rengar Katarina

Michael SykesMar 10, 20183 votes

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wait... lb rework was like the ONLY rework in the entire assassin update that actually worked and accomplished what it needed to.

why on earth would they be reverting it. EDIT: (correction i forgot 's was good too)

all the other ones were neutral or bad

It worked in theory, but it encouraged an even more toxic passive playstyle, which made the champion less enjoyable overall. Her lategame was even worse after she got nerfed multiple times. The problematic parts on her previous kit have been removed (which was 99% her point-and-click burst). After all she kinda lost her identity. Yes, on paper she sounds deceiving, but since the gunblade build came up she is not at all - the deception simply doesn't last long enough.

SwiftKitten88Mar 10, 20181 votes

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It worked in theory, but it encouraged an even more toxic passive playstyle, which made the champion less enjoyable overall. Her lategame was even worse after she got nerfed multiple times. The problematic parts on her previous kit have been removed (which was 99% her point-and-click burst). After all she kinda lost her identity. Yes, on paper she sounds deceiving, but since the gunblade build came up she is not at all - the deception simply doesn't last long enough.

it made her MUCH more enjoyable to face though.

and even made for some awesome plays like this https://youtu.be/F0TC3NX6AR4

SmurfBlancMar 10, 20182 votes

LB has been making clone-deception plays since 2012.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac-y011gqxg

Michael SykesMar 11, 20182 votes

I have never said that the new LeBlanc couldn't make plays. But try doing those plays effectively in the later game. Unless you are extremely fed, it is not going to happen against most mages (because their damage may come faster and is mostly aoe) or ADCs (peel of supports and especially lifesteal + burst of some specific champions). Of course she is supposed to fall off, but the old LeBlanc had the catch potential that any Assassin should have in the lategame.

SwiftKitten88Mar 11, 20181 votes

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I have never said that the new LeBlanc couldn't make plays. But try doing those plays effectively in the later game. Unless you are extremely fed, it is not going to happen against most mages (because their damage may come faster and is mostly aoe) or ADCs (peel of supports and especially lifesteal + burst of some specific champions). Of course she is supposed to fall off, but the old LeBlanc had the catch potential that any Assassin should have in the lategame.

honestly she is in a nearly identical state (winrate wise) to nid escape she still has better escape

also being reliant on the chain (a skillshot) landing.

i feel the rework game her a lot more couterplay, and made her much more fun to face.

granted i don't play her, that much is true. but her winrate seems perfectly fine and the rework DID what it set out to do. which other than Khazix was the ONLY assassin to have a successful rework.

Zed is the same to face Katarina is WORSE to face Shaco is just as bad

but Leblanc not only has a perfectly good winrate after the rework but is much less annoying to face an i would argue actually FUN to face, rather than "annoying as hell".

she may not be "as good" in late game assassination situations, but i don't think that is an issue. as my own ap assassin Nidalee is not onyl pretty much worthless lastgame. but even somthing as simple as the enemy grouping completely shuts her down... she cant dive in in a 1v5, where as lb will still have "some" range" and have a much better escape.