as of today the 23.07.2019 riven 54.32% winrate and 11.1% pickrate. I feel its kind of an insult to the People that actually try to make this a good game (most of the times) because one tricking means you miss out on so much content of the game and kinda play into making more skins for all those popular champions that are unfun to play against. Which is all besides the point that Riven is supposed to be hard to play even tho her winrate just keeps going up after gold
Remember when people said her nerfs were too much? Remember when people called us crazy for saying the nerfs were not enough? Yeah, I remember that.
the term 'hard to play' or 'skill intensive' can both be incredibly subjective: riven has combo's that people can learn to improve their performance on the champion, just like she has timings that people can practise in order to get the most out of her.
for the rest its all knowing your timings, match-ups and build paths. Just like any other champion the problem with riven lies within the way her kit interacts in general: she can abuse certain runes to an incredible degree, and her trading pattern in lane looks more like that of renekton: uninteractive and quick / decisive.
this is not even going into her numbers: riven, for what she is supposed to do (early lane bully, mid game champ or late game? i dont know) she is too good at it. her somewhat ambiguous nature when it comes her position in the game (top laner, but good at any stage unless severely behind) and flexible kit makes her problematic.
for a champ released in season 1 riven has a HUGE number of tools at her disposal in order to make plays, escape, trade safely, all-in and just about anything. not only that, they only have 1 condition: are they off cooldown? since riven has no resource she is allowed to spam her abilities as much as she likes. as long as she build CDR she'll be fine.
other champions who share this nature however are far less problematic, why? because their cooldowns are read far more easily and they function a lot more simply. take Garen and renekton for example. if they start moving up to you, you know what they are gonna do and HOW they are going to do it.
The same goes for riven but her flexibility makes her far more unpredictable: she could 1st Q in to farm minions and instantly E out, or continue by using E to reposition her and then stun you with her W and proceed to use her remaining Q cast to decimate you.
all in all this champion is a general design and balance mess. riot should make up their mind whether she is early/mid/late strong and adjust her power accordingly or keep her neutral/good at all stages but reduce her overall power.
unfortunately riven has a massive fan-base of OTP's and other riven mains, so riot probably wont do too much about it until her numbers really start to get out of control (like 60% WR)
That's all
Source for those numbers? Your butt?
Riven Top: U.gg: 51.7% winrate, 10.7% pickrate. Lolalytics: 51.77% winrate, 10.4% pickrate
What I like the most is how trustworthy people and their opinion are. Mr. Argonaut opens a thread about "the state of riven" then he starts it with misleading statistics. Riven's actual win rate is 51.7% in plat+ which is a relevant statistic unlike the wildly fluctuating numbers of a separated rank which was used in the OP.
Secondly, I was wondering how it is not a "state of Kled" post since Kled is busted broken now. His win rate 53.28% in toplane and 56.07% in midlane, both plat+. His win rate is beyond 52% in every single rank silver+, which means even nooby noobs stomp their elo with Kled now, he is so op. Guess what? He is abusing Kled.
All in all, he is bitching about a skill-based champion with 51.7% win rate while he is abusing an easy champion with 53.28% win rate. Just because a better player kicked his ass in a game.
Shame on him.
Nah she's at 49.45% wr and 8.0% pickrate what? https://u.gg/lol/champions/riven/build?rank=overall Oh, the boards is cherry picking data again to push an agenda.
Jinx is at 53.24% winrate and 19.6% pickrate btw https://u.gg/lol/champions/jinx/build/?rank=overall
Or 52.95% wr and 16.3%pickrate https://u.gg/lol/champions/jinx/build/
Riven isn't as bad with 51.7% winrate and 10.7% https://u.gg/lol/champions/riven/build
But hey, let's cherry pick data because thats what we always do!
riven is OP, I'll admit it but it seems like you guys haven't tried counter picks or suggesting your top laner to pick a counter (poppy, renekton, jayce)
also, the term "hard to play" shouldn't be something said without any arbitrary influence. there can be multiple factors to why riven does so good, mainly, conqueror and shojin have been contributing. considering that this seasons has favors bruisers right now instead of tank top laners, while tank junglers will still do great. remember season 6 and season 7? while those weren't bad seasons, riven wasn't doing so good back when tank meta was highly favored, nor were most bruisers in general which is why in season 7 she went assassin builds. in the end, riven players will find a new way to play the champion.
riven will always be at a 50% winrate because of the meta and how it leans towards bruisers and that high elo players will always be able to play her great, you cannot say a champion is problematic without including the factors that make her insane. i don't think using gold as a comparison to skill is a good contrast either, it's easy to notice that a diamond player could beat a gold riven with ease, while a challenger riven can beat a diamond player with ease as well. there is multiple skill requirements to play riven perfectly such as speed in combos & animation cancels, reaction time and mechanics. gold players won't use much of these skill sets and may play the champion in one of the styles.
if you want to fix riven, targeting her will be the easiest way but will riot won't gut a champion without through investigation, which is why they can't touch her right now. a good video to watch about why it's hard to nerf her is this one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uTHVXIWW44
also where the hell did you pull these stats from, she's at a 50-52% winrate, not 54.
Your are lying about the numbers. 54.32%? 11.1% pick rate? Source? Riven has 50.5% win rate the last 7 days. https://na.op.gg/statistics/champion/
If she's hard to play, shouldn't the win rate increase as the rank does?
I would say that after Gold the skill rate goes up? which is what makes a mechanical champion better you know... but idk << gold gnar one trick lol
Imagine complaining about riven when theres so much worse things in the game, zzz
Maybe not allowing her to exploit unintended game mechanics would be a good solution.
