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ADC's need a blanket buff

InvalidUK·1/29/2020, 11:37:30 PM·3 votes·1,373 views

I'm sick to death of winning lane the same level as the enemy top laner, and him 2v1 me and my support because i don't come online early enough. I can be 8/0, but because i'm squishy and someone PASSIVELY gets armour as they level, I can't make it a close fight. Best example i have is a game a month back. I won lane 8/2, the same as the enemy Darius playing top. You would think we would've had a close fight considering is was mid game, both were 2 items in (me, a ER nd IE with boots playing xayah, the darius, black cleaver and i think seraths, my support playing leona with knight's vow and support item) no, i was shit on, we engaged, support in with ult + e, i followed up with a root and the second that finished, in one swoop of his combo i was dead and it didn't take him long to life steal back off the support.

Last game I just had was against a cait and blitz, one of the most cancerous lanes they could draft. We tried to play safe under tower but the blitz (and here's the kicker) has a hook longer than tower range. Now yes, dodging is a thing and i agree. But when you're playing an immobile adc against a blitz who has a speed up and has built... you guessed it ARMOUR, it's difficult to actually remove yourself for the unfavourable situation you've found yourself in. I have two choices, go for the 50/50 hook and hope i pick the right direction, or kite. kiting is my opinion against a blitz is suicide so i'll go for plan A. if this happens 6 times in lane, odds are ill be hooked 3 times, and against the cait i'm not leaving. Well done adc, you fed your enemy adc, now you can't farm back because damage isn't really your thing until 3 items anyway and good luck getting that.

yes, this is low elo, and i expect there's tons i could've done differently, but when i'm seeing veigar, diana bot lane is strikes me as something SERIOUSLY wrong. Stormrazor made it reasonable, because the trade off was some utility, but the damage got nerfed, with no affect on the cost. So my items cost more, i need more of them to do what mid lane did 10 mins ago in the hope the game last more than 30 mins so when I'm really online I'll be the differnce maker. When have you known a silver level game to go more than 30 mins, especially with the shit show that is matchmaking currently.

I see the only real ADC options are getting a nerf too and frankly I don't think thats right. I think the rest of the ADC'S in a buff to make them more viable. Senna's damage at 2 items is lovely, I'm actually helping, but the trade off is the mobility, also you've bought lethality... which i understand is better early game, but she's not unbeatable. Aphelios in my opinion is where all the adc's should be. You gift him kills and he'll make you regret it, in the same way ANY OTHER LANE WORKS, the only difference is the adc has a strict 3 item core build that can't really be deviated because you'll put yourself further back and... THEY SQUISHY AF. If i go 4/0 in lane, you can still kill me, quite easily in fact because i have fuck all health and the same amount a resistances. But a darius, good luck, he's not built armour, but its there.

Last year, I think the balance team did a great job balancing all the adc's with each other, in lane, they were all viable. But they weren't balanced at all with the rest of the map. They are the easy kill which is why bot lane is a fiesta. I fully expect to see ADC's benched this season again if it carry's on and we'll have yuumi enabling more early game solo laners like... i dunno... wu kong (which if we ever saw an adc that wasn't lucian or vayne in a solo lane, it would be gutted) There seems to be too many negatives than positives at the moment and when you've been bullied out of the game it's not fun, and how many other players aren't coming back because they can't play with their mate in the bot lane because half the late is redunant. If you're going to direct the game to end in 30 minutes, they need some the late game taken out and put into their mid. Yi, Kayle and Kassadin are example's of late scaling laners, but in my opinion the scale harder and come online earlier.

Sorry for the rant, i enjoy the role, i just hate the lack of support it gets, especially in low elo where the numbers don't seem to matter. I think i'm right in saying bot lane has had the most nerfs in season 10 and i think most of us agree it was in a pretty shit state anyway (Also while i'm ranting, why the fuck do AP champs get Magic Pen boots and I don't get Armour Peircing boots)

11 Comments

HazeVictory1/30/2020, 1:01:31 AM2 votes

What ADCs need is a fucking brain. You idiots never ward, walk out into no vision areas and feed, refuse to listen to your supports or team and buy the right items and don't even follow roams or listen to pings.

Most of the time a teamfight breaks out the ADC is the last player to join in because it takes that much longer for you guys to watch the damn minimap.

ADCs are fine. It's the AD carry players who are egoistic, entitled people.

iiGazeii1/30/2020, 12:12:24 AM1 votes

I feel like most everybody should be even in the midgame. Some might have more levels, others might have more gold, but at the 20-25 minute mark, most champions should be around the same power level.

Super-strong lane bullies and hypercarries should probably still be a bit weak at that point, and champions designed to spike in the midgame should get to be stronger, but the vast majority of champions should be about the middle of scaling or falling off in the midgame, and it really doesn't feel like they actually are. Lots of ADCs just don't get to be champions until 35+ minutes, and it feels like the bullies stay strong throughout the whole game.

Baby Ghoul1/30/2020, 1:18:44 AM1 votes

The problem isn't ADCs. It's the engage support meta.

Champions like Nautilus, Leona, and Blitzcrank are so tanky and hard to kill, but they can kill you very easily early game. That means you're going to want to play something with a lot of range like Senna or Caitlyn. If you're playing something that is countered by engage supports like immobile ADCs, you will not get a gank, because the jungler knows that going bot will be a waste of time. They will not be able to kill the enemy ADC or the tank support.

It feels so lackluster because either you play high range champions with tank supports and neither side can kill the other, or you play something else into that and struggle to stay relevant in your lane.

We do not need an ADC buff. If anything, that would exacerbate this meta. Engage supports like Nautilus, Leona, and Blitzcrank need nerfs.

Irelia Bot1/30/2020, 9:55:13 AM1 votes

They need a blanket nerf so other champs don't have to kill them in a second or be kill themselves.

Damage creep is the problem and adding more damage is not going to resolve the issue of damage creep.