2020 and Rage-quitting feels worse than ever.

Amaroq·Jan 24, 2020·5 votes·4,578 views

I have been playing League season season 2? (Ahri was the newest release). I've played in amateur leagues/and tournaments, also served as an analyst and coach as well. In that time period I don't recall the raw quantity of rage quitters or AFKs being so frequent in games. I duly report them, its been so long since I have received a notification for punishments in that I don't recall the last one (do they even still do that?).

Its really sad to me, but I feel really let down as a player and someone trying to be a positive member of the community. It is getting so discouraging I think I am ready to quit. I just don't understand why Riot allows such behavior. Everyone has a bad day, I get it, but when your behavior effects other people you are accountable for it; end story. If I am having a bad day, I don't que up. Its not that hard.

This is not a new problem, but its a problem that seems to get worse not better over time. I just don't want to que up for a 5 person team game, when people can just leave on a whim without consequence (especially since Riot doesn't offer any form of compensation/assistance to their screwed over teammates).

25 Comments

The Bad TouchJan 24, 20204 votes

There would be a LOT less rage quitting if they allowed a 4 vote surrender at 15 minutes... and duo's only got 1 vote.

I HATE wasting 5-6 minutes on an obviously lost game just to surrender at 20-21 minutes. Feels like a waste of my time and I end up just afk'ing around Krugs or Gromp whacking them and kiting away for 5-6 minutes. I'm good part about it is I have a multi-monitor setup so I can watch some Youtube in the meantime.

Pandemic PunchJan 24, 20201 votes

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There would be a LOT less rage quitting if they allowed a 4 vote surrender at 15 minutes... and duo's only got 1 vote.

I HATE wasting 5-6 minutes on an obviously lost game just to surrender at 20-21 minutes. Feels like a waste of my time and I end up just afk'ing around Krugs or Gromp whacking them and kiting away for 5-6 minutes. I'm good part about it is I have a multi-monitor setup so I can watch some Youtube in the meantime.

I dont have a second monitor so I have to resort to the alt tab method when they vote no.

The Bad TouchJan 24, 20201 votes

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I dont have a second monitor so I have to resort to the alt tab method when they vote no.

It's even worst when you get something like a duo Draven/Kench bot-lane that goes like 1/14 in lane that refuses to FF even at 20 minutes.

I mean don't get me wrong.. I'm all for playing out games where comebacks seem remotely possible. When the score is 17 to 55 and you have 2 dead inhibs and they have Baron buff... refusing to FF is about as toxic as it gets.

I swear some people just don't seem to get that sometimes the other team just has better players, and you can't farm your way into playing better. Some games just aren't winnable. At the end of the day your 2/9/4 Jinx ADC that was Bronze 2 last season isn't suddenly going to learn to dodge Naut hooks and beat the 17/2/10 Tristana that was Gold 4 last season.

AmaroqJan 24, 20205 votes

[{quoted}] I HATE wasting 5-6 minutes on an obviously lost game just to surrender at 20-21 minutes. Feels like a waste of my time and I end up just afk'ing around Krugs or Gromp whacking them and kiting away for 5-6 minutes. I'm good part about it is I have a multi-monitor setup so I can watch some Youtube in the meantime.

I have so little sympathy for your wasted time, you consented to PLAY the game. If a surrender vote doesn't go your way it doesn't give you the right to ignore the wishes of the rest of your team. That is exactly the selfish attitude I am talking about. By joining a 5 person team game you are accepting an outcome of playing it out even if its not ideal. Makes surrender votes meaningless if you don't abide by the result of the vote. I have played out SO many games that I'd rather move on because I am not a selfish jerk, the rest of the team wanted to play longer fine, I signed up to play until the game is over (either by surrender or one team wins).

The Bad TouchJan 24, 20201 votes

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I have so little sympathy for your wasted time, you consented to PLAY the game. If a surrender vote doesn't go your way it doesn't give you the right to ignore the wishes of the rest of your team. That is exactly the selfish attitude I am talking about. By joining a 5 person team game you are accepting an outcome of playing it out even if its not ideal. Makes surrender votes meaningless if you don't abide by the result of the vote. I have played out SO many games that I'd rather move on because I am not a selfish jerk, the rest of the team wanted to play longer fine, I signed up to play until the game is over (either by surrender or one team wins).

See I believe in democracy. When the majority of the team wants to FF... then you should be allowed to FF. Just because some guy gets his kicks out of making 4 other people waste 5-6 minutes while he continues to rack up deaths running it down doesn't make for a fun time. I'm not talking about being semi-afk when no one wants to FF other than me.. I'm talking about when the vote is 4-1 at 15, or 3-2 at 20 because of some troll duo bot lane.

Also like you said... you signed up to paly a team game, if you don't like my choice to dick around with jungle camps in a 17-45 game.. then you can not queue up again and go play a solo game. :)

Make Me WetJan 24, 20201 votes

I'm with Bad Touch, riot should let it be MAJORITY vote. Not the two feeders on your team wanting to hold you hostage for an undisclosed amount of time on top of the enemy team standing in front of your spawn trying to pad their KDA. Respect the wishes of the majority of your team, instead of being -that- person. 4 dragons, 2 barons, 2 rifts, and an elder down but "we can still do this guys."

AmaroqJan 24, 20201 votes

As "Make Me Wet" says if the vote was based a regular majority it would solve the problem, then 1 person can't hold you back. But until/If Riot makes said change so 1-2 people can outvote the majority: You are still acting super entitled that your fun is more important than someone else's. Signing up for a team game with the expectation to actually TRY, not try only if you are winning, not try as long as your teammates are performing adequately, just to try and win.

And that is my problem, Riot issues it as part of its Terms of Service User Rules:

"Non-participation, logging out or exiting a game during live game-play. Riot Games may track this data over time and issue a temporary ban when a player is determined to have left mid-game too many times. The length of the temporary ban will increase over time if a particular account continues to leave live game play."

What you describe is just another variation of Non-participation to avoid penalties, which Riot barely uses to begin with. What is the point of it being a rule if its ignored or so easily manipulated.

SmyrageJan 24, 20201 votes

He's right you know. The game is becoming faster paced and flashier thanks to the asian audience, so the game can spiral out of control only due to a few mistakes. It is demoralizing to play games against so broken champions, who get some kills and then they are just unstoppable. It is frustrating how the damage is increasing, but the countermeasures don't even exist. Overall, I think one of the worst crimes modern game industry did including Riot and the others, when they thought it'd be a good idea to merge the casual and the pro scenes, because it just spawned a lot of frustration.

SpeeedyJan 24, 20202 votes

That's because the punishment is so minimal that people do not care. I had a jungler this season get mad and leave the game. I reported him and moved on to the next game after we finished which was like 5 minutes later hoping he would come back. He was in my next game too. He did the same thing too played 15-20 min and then just left. Never said anything in game and we were winning both games too.

Make the penalties like this and you will see an immediate change in behavior Leave a ranked game early 1st offence - 1 hour ban Leave a ranked game early 2nd offence - 24 hour ban (if within 30 days of prior ban) Leave a ranked game early 3rd offence - 72 hour ban (if within 30 days of prior ban) Leave a ranked game early 4th offence - 1 week ban (if within 30 days of prior ban) Leave a ranked game early 5th offence and all subsequent - 2 week ban (if within 30 days of prior ban)

Dodge Que 1st offence - 30 min ban Dodge Que 2nd offence - 2 hour ban (if within 7 days of prior ban) Dodge Que 3rd offence - 24 hour ban (if within 7 days of prior ban) Dodge Que 4th offence - 72 hour ban (if within 7 days of prior ban) Dodge Que 5th offence and all subsequent - 1 week ban (if within 7 days of prior ban)

Also make the leaver timer longer so if your internet drops or your power goes out for a second you have more time to reconnect without penalty. 5 min should be increased to like 7-10 because if you need to reset your router that takes like 2-5 minutes alone.

The current penalties are 6 min(1st), 15 min(2-5th), and 20 minutes (6+) that is nothing. That is the problem with the penalties who cares you get a 20 min ban that's not even the length of the game.

HazeVictoryJan 24, 20201 votes

Just ban them for an entire day on the first offense barring remakes.

Simple.

The rules are loud and clear. You don't need to go lenient against people who readily afk.

SpeeedyJan 24, 20201 votes

I think the first one should be shorter because say you have an internet outage for like 15 minutes your screwed and nothing you can do. But internet in the USA is pretty stable so that shouldn't be a problem not getting it in the next 30 days.

The Bad TouchJan 27, 20201 votes

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Just ban them for an entire day on the first offense barring remakes.

Simple.

The rules are loud and clear. You don't need to go lenient against people who readily afk.

AFK = away from keyboard. I'm very much at my keyboard and very much playing. There is no rule that says I have to play "well."

https://imgur.com/a/RpqCdp4 https://imgur.com/a/eliSixZ

Example of most recent game. Bot lane wouldn't FF. Sure I could sit there trying to clear super minions out of two lanes for another 10-15 minutes but if the other team doesn't want to end it... I'm just not going to waste my time doing so, I'm just going to go farm jungle and let minions end it sorry.

All the current system does is let troll duos make people miserable by not surrendering. All you have is the "hope" the other team just wants to end it... which they often don't because they just want to stat pad.

I tried for half an hour... we weren't winning.. there comes a point where you just say "fuck it" and let it end.

HazeVictoryJan 24, 20202 votes

I only rage quit when the rest of my team is feeding. Usually starts with the jungle and adc throwing the game and quickly ends up burdening the whole team.

When your jungler and adc are being outskilled repeatedly, it's time to afk and stop pretending like there's glory in wasting 25 mins.

No thanks, I'd rather grab lunch. Think of this as a strategic decision.

IllabetheJan 24, 20201 votes

You know what feels worse? Supports after the season started up. For some reason, after the season started, it seems like supports are getting heavily gimped shared lane XP with any adc who is passive farming. In other words, if you get paired with someone who "thinks" they are freezing, but in reality are just standing, doing nothing except last hitting minions..... it doesn't even seem like you can level as a support.

I've had 3 games so far where I was level 2 when the other team was level 4, because of this crap. Do you know what level 2 support vs a level 4 adc/support is? A liability and an easy 2 shot. And then my teams freak out when I leave lane to try to catch up on levels, get some gold. and help snowball someone else. Do you want a level 2-5 Support when the game is at level 6-8, or do you want a support whose relevant?

P.S. This isn't even being outpoked/dying. I can get 1-3 kills going in bot lane and STILL be at a massive XP loss..... because The adc isn't actively working to share XP. One of my own duos literally full pushed bot while I was in base one game. Does he even know what that does? When I get back, there's no wave. It's at their turret. I'm level 2. The other team gets to kill their waves. I can do NOTHING vs Level 4 as level 2, unless they dive a turret.

ProphetOfDravenJan 24, 20201 votes

someone who "thinks" they are freezing, but in reality are just standing, doing nothing except last hitting minions

Isn't that basically what freezing is though, or I guess a slow push which is kinda the same thing...

No clue how you are down so many levels... Are you taking the egirl enchanter support standing behind adc trope to the extreme and just standing at tier 2 tower?

IllabetheJan 24, 20201 votes

Freezing doesn't mean standing still, taking poke or avoiding poke altogether.

And no. It's usually a Lucian or Ezreal farming with Q. It's the range from the minion that matters, not the distance from the adc. In other words, if an adc last hit farms from an uninteractive distance without even 1 time trading the other team, supports don't gain gold OR XP many times.

How:

Game with my "duo." Level 1, Master Yi was out of place, took my Morgana Q in river, almost died, my team proceeded to chase. Team got caught. I proceeded to flash over a wall, kill Yi, but then his team disengaged mine, and killed me. I was back In lane before opponent was level 2. However, It was Lux support, and all I had was Q. When Lux would enter a Bush I'd Q her, but she'd Q back, and she had a 1/4 level lead. I had to recall because my adc was freezing and not interacting.

On recall, other team recalled, my adc proceeded to force push 2 + waves clear to their turret. There wasn't another wave for 1:30 of the game, because of how he dumped that on me. However, the Lux/Caitlyn had their nice cozy super wave to farm. and got 4. After that, Level 2 morg is useless and basically any bad move the entire lane results in death.

Second Game: Ezreal who doesn't poke with a Soraka support. Pretty self explanatory.

Third game: Lucian who did not farm, poke, ignored drake (we had control ward in pit, but he didn't care while Janna/MF checked on it while Sett was already killing it) I was Nami (which should have been a good synergy) but he was of the opinion: MF/Janna dominates Lucian so I don't poke, even after I set up 3 kills for him). After I was level 5 with only 135 Gold in tow from support item, I went to, while their Janna/MF were already 7...... Janna had no damage/poke either. But MF had plenty of free farm.

In these games I literally have to expose myself to being solo focused by 2 champions just to gain XP, because Ez/Lucian are the kinds of champions who basic players don't realize allow opponents to come in and play at creep range, and harass anything in front of them. If I am Nami and my adc is behind me, poking at max range, nothing's there to stop my opponents from pulling a 1v2. I have to choose between XP and no income.

The first game wasn't perfect. I know that. But the "plat duo" in silver should have known what that full lane push while I'm in base would do to me. Anyone whose ever watched a Faker laner tutorial would know that. Pressure = an instant 2-3 level differential game, and my duo gave them the pressure.

ProphetOfDravenJan 25, 20201 votes

Seems like you just need a better ADC or better communication with your ADC. Personally if I ever lane with an enchanter though, I avoid early all in's, due to our likely hood of losing them. Lucian is pretty bad with enchanters btw. They mess up his early, which is all he has, if by 15 minutes he isnt ahead, he's behind.

IllabetheJan 25, 20201 votes

Almost every single top duo with Lucian is an Enchanter.

https://u.gg/lol/champions/lucian/duos

Most enchanters, especially Soraka and Nami..... are early game champs.

ProphetOfDravenJan 25, 20201 votes

That's not really accurate at all, Lucians best duo, Braum is fourth from last in that list. Most of the winrates are skewed by those champions having higher overall winrates. Enchanters are definitely not early game champions. They will lose all in's to tank supports like Nautilus and Leona every time without a doubt.

IllabetheJan 25, 20201 votes

Because factual data that spans across every site that tracks duos must be wrong as long as it doesn't support your argument.

Enchanters are early game champions as well as late; that's why they generally float 52% win rates. They control most matchups and require direct counters, who can usually be mitigated simply with positioning (The reason they lose to Leona is because she can bypass minions, and because of CC, not because she's a tank, and because she's ALSO a type of enchanter - who adds magic damage to her ally's hits each time she skills). And, a good Nami can counter Leona. It's not a pure counter.

Nautilus is overbuffed and carrying ALL adcs, not just low range casters.

ProphetOfDravenJan 25, 20201 votes

https://www.reddit.com/r/LucianMains/comments/8ors6p/best_duo_with_lucian_atm/

It's well known Lucians best duo is Braum. Actually surprised to see people saying he's good with enchanters though. Yes you can win lane with any champion duo, but it requires being better than your opponent which is not always a good thing to rely on.

Emperør RhaastJan 24, 20201 votes

They made a change to the leaver buster I believe. Before you could afk a MAXIMUM of 2 ranked games before leaverbuster got you. Now that just doesnt happen. I quit 3 or 4 ranked games when I was on a huge tilt spree one night and didn't get any punishment, it's ridiculous.

WoonStruckJan 24, 20201 votes

Rage-quitting can feel better than ever, depending on your perspective.

Lol

######No I dont condone it, just making a joke about this fun game that was turned into a horrifyingly frustrating game over the past few years.

FeedKaylePleaseJan 25, 20201 votes

https://imgur.com/Sl2QgBa

This is why people rage quit. Suffering this kind of thing game after game is just too much. I myself am a chronic "rage quitter". I leave at least one game a day.

2gudaiyaJan 25, 20201 votes

people are doing this because the community refuses to be honest with each other, and so you get this. honest about what you ask? everything basically. but oh well.