Syndra Main Here....

Bbayam·Nov 5, 2016·4 votes·1,272 views

So, I've been playing Syndra since well before the MYMU, and she WAS definitely one of my favorite champions to play. Some background, I'm low elo, but I just started playing ranked seriously this season, and even then I don't have the time to put into the game to be where I want in the rankings, cause you know, college. That being said, this isn't specific to any elo. Riot, you guys broke Syndra, trying to mold her more to what you believe is her theme. She's not healthy anymore, I played a game earlier this morning where I could literally stand in one place and fight any of the enemy team's champions and win. Now, certainly this does in fact fit her theme of being an immensely powerful mage according to her lore, one that seems to constantly be obtaining more power.

I also remind you that she wasn't powerful enough to stop people from limiting her growth using magic. "But she escaped, and the spell is broken!" So, what, she spent her entire childhood with a barrier on her power, and as soon as it's removed she gains all the power she would have achieved in that time? Don't think so. See, these events made Syndra insane (listen to her dialogue, oh and she murdered everyone at that temple), and let me tell you, no matter how good you are at something, insanity is a huge barrier in itself to get back to where you were, not to mention the spell that stunted her magical growth. So you guys decided that we're actually going to give her the absolute power she desires (I frequently one shot ADCs with my ult without any setup), despite her dialogue indicating she hasn't reached that yet? My argument is that, your changes made Syndra so strong all throughout the game, that you've shifted her playstyle from "trying to regain and achieve Syndra's desired power to "Run playthings" for the entire game. I think that her quest for power thematically makes her a late game champion.

Additionally, going back to the no set up to one shot people in her current state point I made, if she is on this quest for power, shouldn't we as players feel like there are challenges to overcome to unleash her full power? That was the thing that got me into playing this champion in the first place. It was so rewarding to be able to set up the perfect combo and get that 6-7 sphere ult off after all your hard work. Now it's just, "Oh look at that, I somehow have 7 spheres on the battlefield, let me ult their ADC. GG EZ." You gave Syndra immense power but in the process made the player feel less powerful, because I did jack shit to get that perfect ulti off. Riot served it to me on a silver platter.

So yeah, I'm a Syndra main, and I'm asking you to NERF SYNDRA. How? Well, revert the mid year mage changes to her. That raises her skill floor back to where she won't be one-shotting everyone all the time. It puts the focus on manipulating her spheres again, which are her main source of power, and obviously the focus of her kit. This also returns her to her thematic quest for power, since she won't dominate the game from the moment she gets her first kill as soon as she hits level 6, which, as funny as it is, it is also quite disgusting.

TL;DR: Riot, you've unleashed Syndra's power, and now she lacks balance. Thematically, you've taken away her quest for power and given her whaat she wants. Nerf her by reverting the MYMU changes.

27 Comments

Sona x RubickNov 5, 20163 votes

80% ban rate

i hope that meddler knows how to fixe this.

BbayamNov 5, 20161 votes

Is it really that high? Holy crap. I know I've had a hard time trying to get her as my pick, and that's part of the reason I posted, but I also posted because the enemy teams are always talking about her being "no skill and op" now. I happen to find myself agreeing with them. FeelsBadMan.

Sona x RubickNov 5, 20161 votes

syndra definitly needs skill, but that's not an argument for the champ to be strong

but you know, syndra isn't the only one broken. The entire mage class is dominating the midlane, and riot is somewhat nerfing them with edge of the night.

i guess we're just going to wait for pre-season, and then 6.23 (according to meddler she's going to have some fixes)

BbayamNov 5, 20161 votes

That's good to hear. Yeah, honestly think edge of night is fair, though will probably need tweaking like any item and will probably be abused by some champs. I kind of feel like league is becoming an arms race where everyone is dancing around each other trying not to get one shot.

Handin Out NapsNov 5, 20161 votes

She really doesn't need skill currently. All she has to do is hit 6 land a stun and use every ability while you are stunned. Not sure where skill falls into the equation there.

Vistha KaiNov 5, 20161 votes

Is it really that high?

No, it's not. The guy is heavily confabulating.

Sona x RubickNov 5, 20163 votes

https://gyazo.com/413560dab37536dcf3ad152da78ad87d

you're welcome, my favorite syndra main

Vistha KaiNov 5, 20161 votes

Yes, and Zed has 7.7% banrate. Like I'm going to believe that. Those statistics are highly incorrect.

http://na.op.gg/statistics/champion/ Varies between 20-50% for each server http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/all/by-banrate 25.8% for all ELO tiers

Best princess EUNov 5, 20162 votes

lolking gets the stats of every regions combined

so shut the fuck about statistics being highly incorrect rofl

zed is trash and doesn't deserve to be banned syndra is gamebreaking and along with nid and ranged champs, none wants to deal with an overpowered champ

Vistha KaiNov 5, 20161 votes

Yeah, LoLKing can't possibly be wrong.

Watch me buying every single champion in the game for 1IP.

AhristocatsNov 5, 20162 votes

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Those statistics are highly incorrect.

what the- hahahaha according to who exactly?

Vistha KaiNov 5, 20161 votes

According to cross-referencing with multiple different platforms providing champion statistics.

Vistha KaiNov 5, 20161 votes

80% ban rate

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/400x/23996705.jpg

http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/syndra

Yes, she has an 80% banrate... In LCS.

Handy Sandy Nov 5, 20162 votes

Just saying, if you were standing in one place doesn't that mean they were coming right at you? (= easy stun) Isn't that long range? Isn't Syndra strongest when fighting long range?

BbayamNov 5, 20161 votes

Should have clarified I was well within range. I mean I let them come at me first lol

Vistha KaiNov 5, 20161 votes

See, these events made Syndra insane (listen to her dialogue, oh and she murdered everyone at that temple), and let me tell you, no matter how good you are at something, insanity is a huge barrier in itself to get back to where you were, not to mention the spell that stunted her magical growth.

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/583/041/d5c.jpg

She's not insane. Angry and possibly not entirely socially mature, yes.
There was a whole lot of one person in the temple. Killing anybody would result in killing everybody.
We can also assume she was always that strong and it was a matter of her being able to control it or having mental capability to do so.

For a more detailed analysis, I suggest a post made by Overlord Forte here.

BbayamNov 5, 20161 votes

Fair points. I just assumed since the temple was a school that there would be others there. But the lore makes no mention so I s'pose no one might everknow. Simply says she killed the old man and claimed the temple, not what she had to do to claim it. Just the way I interpreted it, and interpretations can be wrong. As for your last point I suppose after rereading her lore, that her mastery of her power was growing. Thanks for the correction. Your first point is highly debatable, and to be fair, I was slightly kidding, but though she has every reason to be angry and act the way she does, her disconnect from people, as well as how she regards them is at the very least concerning. Understandable, but not within the bounds of what might be considered "normal" behavior in Ionian society. Explanations do not equate to excuses. Honestly the truth is, lore is up to interpretation, and Overlord Forte does a great job of dissecting it. So, thank you for the brush up on my Syndra lore! As for my argument hinging on her stunted magical growth, well it might be better to say stunted growth in general then.

EcchiOtakuTMNov 5, 20161 votes

She was fine after the update, it was the unnecessary buff that broke her. She was LITERALLY fine until they gave her a random ass increase to ratios that no one even asked for.

6.12 and 6.13 unnecessary buffs were dumb, not to mention she had several bug fixed after and they didn't revert the buffs.

If they revert the W and E ap ratio increases and the the dumb buff for ulti to additionally use new orbs spawned if the ulti is already in progress she would definitely be fixed. But those 3 buffs were what broke her, not the update itself that was fine and balanced.

Vistha KaiNov 5, 20161 votes

No, she wasn't "fine" after MYMU. People just needed time to realize in what state she was.

Her pickrate was slowly rising the whole time, but it wasn't until LCS when her banrate went from 5% to 40% within a week.

EcchiOtakuTMNov 6, 20161 votes

Still you can't say that the unnecessary double buffing she got from 6.12 and 6.13 didn't also make the problem worse.

I mean come on she had an easier time managing balls why additionally make new balls that are spawned mid ulti also go into the damage? Not to mention random 20% AP ratio increase?

Vistha KaiNov 6, 20161 votes

why additionally make new balls that are spawned mid ulti also go into the damage?

One, unless you mistimed and ulted before W'ing, which I assume is why Riot made it possible. Still that's an edge case if anything, as there is no reason to ulti mid-combo, unless... No, can't think of a different reason.

The scaling, I agree. Personally I never had problems with damage of those parts of Syndra's kit before (base damage Q nerf hurts me to this day, though), but haven't noticed a difference after the buff.

EcchiOtakuTMNov 6, 20161 votes

Still though the ulti buff made it even easier to use full ulti damage.

I just feel it's the unreasonable double buffing after she was already in a good spot that made her overwhelming, Not to mention W and E buff also translates to better waveclear to boot.