Jungle ruled....before get destroyed...

Ghøst ΒC·Aug 12, 2019·2 votes·2,516 views

Riot support answered an e mail of mine (sth that I really appreciate) about all these changes that happened at jungle these last seasons. The one who helped me told me that some changes were made to make junglers stop farming in jungle all the time and help other lanes because that's their job. Of course this is acceptable but...isnt it true that the good jungle is gonna gank when needed while the bad jungle is gonna afk farm? In any case I'd like you, riot, remember these old good days , where every monster had a special buff, there were 4 types of jungle items and jungle items were worth buying and maybe one day bring this all good stuff back. Thanks a lot.

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22 Caliber RifleAug 12, 20191 votes

Pure Example of how Jungle Works ATM - My Profile: https://oce.op.gg/summoner/userName=Gliave If you look specifically at the Kha'Zix games and the others if you wish, you will see an absolute dominance by me..... This is literally how jungle works, one kill in any lane can end the game instantly. This isn't just a trend in Gold ELO as my smurf which is Plat II experiences the same trend, hard stomp or get thrashed.

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The one who helped me told me that some changes were made to make junglers stop farming in jungle all the time and help other lanes because that's their job.

This is true but no true at the same time, changes were made to camps a while back that nerfed the amount of XP gained from camps when clearing which was changed to less XP and based on your level and other BS. The problem here was that it turned the game into a hyper ganking meta where early game jungles of such XinZhao JarvanIV LeeSin Elise and other dominated the pro scene and high ELO. This also includes the scuttle XP buffs which were horrendous.

The current meta is still the same but there are more flexible picks now. The idea around the jungle is to support your laners and help them win lane, the game and gather objectives. That is the jungle definition.

**How to win any game in low ELO **

Hope to god your team isn't shit (feed, int, blame you for nothing and etc)
Hope your team picks reliable champions (Tanks are useless.... Literally except Nunu)
Clear your Krugs when you can, they give you the most XP in the early game. You can get lv 6 at 6-7 mins if you clear efficiently. (Clear your red side)
Place wards (Important)
Gank lanes and grab objectives (Every lane can be gankable even if the enemy is under their own tower) (If enemy jg is top, grab that drake) other.
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KovorixAug 12, 20191 votes

help other lanes because that's their job

That isn't realy the concept of jungling. Helping other lanes is the job of every lane as you are a team. The first job of every jungler is to win against your opposing laner or rather jungler like all the other lanes do too.

lolipopevelynnAug 12, 20191 votes

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That isn't realy the concept of jungling. Helping other lanes is the job of every lane as you are a team. The first job of every jungler is to win against your opposing laner or rather jungler like all the other lanes do too.

you do that by ganking lanes. invading is stupid and a worthless waste of time aswell as very risky assuming enemy jg wards and their allies are on top of their map awareness. realistically it should never work with well placed wards.

SmyrageAug 12, 20191 votes

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Riot support answered an e mail of mine (sth that I really appreciate) about all these changes that happened at jungle these last seasons. The one who helped me told me that some changes were made to make junglers stop farming in jungle all the time and help other lanes because that's their job. Of course this is acceptable but...isnt it true that the good jungle is gonna gank when needed while the bad jungle is gonna afk farm? In any case I'd like you, riot, remember these old good days , where every monster had a special buff, there were 4 types of jungle items and jungle items were worth buying and maybe one day bring this all good stuff back. Thanks a lot.

They used to say that lv3 ganks were problematic, so they addressed it by reducing the jungle xp. Little did they know, that champions can still start at red buff and they can still do lv3 ganks. If they start elsewhere, some of them can still do a lv2 gank due to their kit.

Also, not here to nitpick, but weren't some champions designed around the simple fact, that their ganks prior lv6 is suboptimal and can be a suicide? They never got any compensation. Also remember that there are farming junglers, who have really good clear but their ganking potential is lacking, and that they were supposed to put pressure on the more ganking oriented junglers by taking their farm while they are ganking. Remember that the only criteria for jungle was that they have nice jungle clear.

Last but not least: ganking still requires the jungler and the cooperation of the specific lane. Not all ganking junglers can or should go under tower ( Kayn doing it when his ult is down is just legit feeding) for example. In fact: a jungler was supposed to be taking the objectives, ganking can be done by midlane as well. Also, ganking still needs a team, who understand that for example if you are on the bottom side of the map, you can't teleport to toplane just because the top laner got into trouble. One should only expect a gank, when the jungler is near to your lane.