Hard stuck bronze, help me improve or tell me to git gud!

Mega Trixel·Apr 8, 2018·1 votes·681 views

Mega Trixel - Summoner Stats - League of Legends

I'm sure you've all seen these threads pop up around the gameplay forum, or a complaint thread about bronze and how it's never the persons fault for their elo, but I'm not here for that, I'm here for real advice. I have been playing this game since before sejuani or ziggs came out, I've been a part of the heart of gold era and I'll never forget! I've been everywhere from bronze 5 to silver 1 100 LP and no matter what I can't seem to break the seal into gold, and for the first time since my ranked start years ago, I finished in bronze last season and it felt awful. I'd like to hit gold this season, but if not I'd at least like my silver border back, I don't ask for much, just some advice on how I might improve to make this happen.

Thing I'm doing currently:

I watch streams, look up tier lists, play to what i think are my strengths, look up optimal builds, etc.
Only playing a small pool of champions as to not spread my skill level across the board.

Things I feel I should be doing to improve:

Buy more pinks (Nobody in bronze does, including me)
Tilt less (If my game start isn't solid, or I die early, it can tilt me so hard I can see the under side of the flat earth!)
Rotate more, or find better ways to push my specific lead. (Sometimes I can get a lead, and just not know what to do with it. When I manage to though, magic happens.)

A few things about the op.gg/general play as of this post:

I only duo with my girlfriend and she one tricks nami. This isn't an excuse to why I lose, as she saves me more often than not and is generally a solid duo partner. Perhaps theres a champ I can play that works well with the champ?
My Kai'Sa win rate seems low, but it's only a one win difference. If I lose again though, I may just drop her from the champ rotation.
Kog'maw has a high win rate, but I stopped playing him with the W nerf, and the guinsoo changes. Is it worth picking him back up?
My VERY bad jungle game is just that, it's something I never do and was forced into the position so I tried, and failed. Should probably work on it in normals.
I'm using conquerer a lot because it seems to be working out for me more than it isn't, if it's wrong I'm sure you'll let me know but in my experience, the more damage I can do regardless of their builds, the better.
My builds are a result of research on sites like op.gg, probuilds.net, watching streams and youtube videos, and just general game knowledge. If they are bad, I'm sure you'll let me know.

Please if you have advice, try and be tactful because I'm a sensitive snowflake If you want to troll me, well I put myself out there so I guess I deserve it!

Thank you all for your time, even if I wasted it! [slayer-jinx-catface]

13 Comments

Dat KatApr 8, 20182 votes

git gud

Mega TrixelApr 8, 20181 votes

I'm sad you didn't give me a pantheon emote also ;-;

Dat KatApr 8, 20181 votes

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs] ~ Don't worry, be happeh!

Sp33d Zer0Apr 8, 20182 votes

Your CS is surprisingly strong for someone in bronze, so you have a good gold income.

You buy no pinks. If you wanna check my op.gg http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=sp33d+zer0 you'll see me buying around 2-3 per game even on carry roles. It's important to remember that even if it just gets killed by the jungler, you denied a jungle gank and gained much more gold from it dying and you living than you spent on the ward itself. Try putting a sticky note up until you get the habit. Also, if you have a choice between a dagger and two pink wards, get 2 pink wards. That small amount of attack speed isn't worth it.

Try to get your girlfriend to help you not type in chat unless it is helpful. Also remember you WILL lose games. Even if you have a 55% win rate which is very good, you will lose 45 games out of 100.

Champions that go really well with Nami are Caitlyn Jinx Twitch Vayne Varus Xayah . They have good follow up CC or in the case of Tristana and Twitch, they can use her E to follow up a lot of punishment with auto stacking and their own personal E's. However, have your girlfriend try other enchanters. Janna and Lulu have very similar feels to Nami in my opinion and do give you a decent pool to work with. They also synergize with slightly different adcs.

Kai'sa is a new champion, but their a specific build that has been popping up. item 3812 item 3124 item 3115 . It gives just enough stats to upgrade everything and also gives her a lot of damage on autos and burst. You then round it out with a item 3085 and you just roll the enemy.

Kog got rebuffed to be at 6% hp instead of 5% (still down from 7%), but the new guinsoo is actually BETTER for him because it is so much cheaper and the total attack speed is a major point of contention. He would be your Varus pick on a team where you need the damage way, way more than the utility. However, I think that if you want to play Kog, you need your GF to pick up Lulu or Janna as they are just significantly better with him than Nami.

Play things like jungle. He is easy, effective, and a solid ganker. You may also want to consider a different secondary if you struggle that much.

Conqueror on ADCs is incredibly underwhelming if they aren't named Draven. Run fleet footwork for extra kite in team fights, healing in lane OR run lethal tempo on guinsoo champions so you can abuse that attack speed cap. I run FF on everyone just because it is so powerful for that teamfighting phase. It also means you don't need a lifesteal item as much until a 4th or 5th item in most cases.

Your Jinx build is very poor. Deaths Dance for one is not very good on her, second you delayed Infinity edge for it. Your go to lifesteal item on Jinx is either going to be BT for the shield, or Mercurial scimitar for the safety. I would also generally recommend (on almost every ADC) item 1038 > item 3086 > item 3031 > completed zeal item. This isn't ALWAYS the case, but I have found this to be the best way to rush your power in the early game.

On sivir you aren't getting Essence Reaver. You need it. She spams very hard, runs out of mana very fast (even with shield) and it is often her FIRST item.

Keep in mind that a completed zeal item rush means sure, you WILL crit, but your crits will do no damage. You need at LEAST a bf sword before you ever complete a zeal item if you wanna do anything with it.

An interesting Varus build I have been using for AD heavy comps is actually:

FF, Triumph, Alacrity, Damage rune based on enemy team - Gathering Storm, Celerity for runes

item 3124 > item 3091 rush for the early mid game with a lot of magic damage, but then picking up a item 3115 to get even more magic damage, change my scaling adpative runes to AP, giving me a LOT more burst on my blight detonation and ultimate. Because the enemy team is rushing a lot of armor because of the full AD comp, this catches people off guard a lot. Round it out with item 3157 for if you get dove and item 3089 / item 3102 / item 3165 / item 3146 / item 3135 depending on the situation. Banshees makes you very safe, voidstaff lets you deal with MR stacking (if they change their mind and stop building armor for some reason), gunblade is a LOT of healing, and deathcap is a LOT of damage. Morello is obviously good versus squishies and people with a lot of in kit healing.

That said, your standard Varus build will look something like item 3124 > item 3091 / item 3153 > item 3085 and from here, you can either continue on hit (if you have lethal tempo) or build up some crit with item 3031 .

Mega TrixelApr 8, 20181 votes

CS: Thank you, it's much appreciated.
Pinks: Will buy more/any, making a notes like this as I read the thread.
Chat Tilt: The gf and I play in the same room so I generally just tilt at her out loud, which also causes her to tilt and it's pretty toxic. It also doesn't sound like the typical 'I hate my team' rage, but more the 'I suck, this all sucks, I died once we lose' self hating tilt. Need a goosfrabah or two me thinks.
Conqueror on ADC: I have been topping damage charts every game I run it, but I guess I should be any ways right? Dropping the rune, note taken.
Champions with Nami: I greatly enjoy Caitlyn but I don't know if my winrate is solid enough to run it. The others though that run well with Nami are legit, I could probably just stick with varus as he's my most played ADC and I'm the most comfortable on him.
The kai'Sa build you propose I have seen popping up, and while I don't have any of her on my currently played games list I am aware of the build, and it will be in my rotation for her come next uses.
Jinx build is poor: You're right on all fronts, I got the deaths dance to delay the big damages I couldn't avoid like the CC chain from sejuani into the kai passive pop and the Yasuo existing as a champion. I ended up winning and dieing half as much as I got kills, so while I figure it's a win on my part, it's not something I'd want to do all the time. Noted not to delay an item like ie for the survivability. Also get essence reaver on Sivir, noted.
Varus build: The standard build was my build before the guinsoo changes, then everyone on earth was like 'guinsoos is out' so I started editing the build, getting guinsoos later, and just over all I needed to stick with what I knew. Will note this as well.
Jungle: I will most likely practice a different roll to put as my secondary, probably mid as my skill set transfers a bit and that's the role I almost hit gold with in the season I hit silver 1, 100 LP.

Thank you for your input, and any follow up input!

Sp33d Zer0Apr 8, 20181 votes

(3.) Remembering that you ARE going to lose some games and to keep playing through it is the best mentality to help this. I have been getting a little peeved myself lately, but it is important to remember that as long you as you keep you and your girlfriend consistent, you will do better.

Remember, even Faker has lost games.

(4.) You should be topping damage with a pure damage keystone, but it has too much downtime. If you run FF you will die less. Now, while that may not put out as much IMMEDIATE damage, it means you will be able to keep fighting longer. As an ADC, we don't care about that all in burst, we want to put out consistent damage over a long period. Even press the attack makes more sense tbh since it is also a semi support keystone with your team doing more damage.

(5.) Try putting some more normal games on Cait. She takes a lot of practice to figure out how to properly poke and zone your enemies. It's not something you can just pick up right away, and that is why her winrate is so low. So many people think she is an easy ADC to play without being able to actually utilize her potential with headshot resets and her range.

(7.) In the case where you are dying to a sejuani CC stacking, doesn't it make more sense to buy a QSS for 1300g, cleanse the ult, walk away from her so she can't auto you to get the passive stacks, and then have 2300g you can use on other items that aren't DD? It CAN be useful. However, GA, BT, and Mercurial are all much better defensively. Especially when you consider that BT gives you a 300 point shield that you can refresh multiple times (even better once you think about overheal as a rune - which I hope you are running with a nami support).

(8.) Guinsoo IS better later, but it is still the best item for you to rush. The extra on hit damage from W is best in the early game when flat damage matters more. If you have 26 flat on hit damage proccing 3 times in two autos on a 1000 hp target for example, you are doing 78 damage with ONLY your W because of it. That's 7.8% max hp if you wanna think about it that way. This is ignoring the on hit damage from Guinsoo itself. That's ignoring the little bit of AP scaling that his W has, the AD you get from it, and the 2 on hit passives from Guinsoo itself.

As additional information!

If you double kill the bot lane and take the tower and there is no dragon, rotate up to top lane. You should try to make sure you are on the side of the map that has the most important objectives available with your lead. By swapping with your top laner, you put yourself in a lane with another tower for team gold, and the rift herald for ANOTHER free tower. Then you rotate back to bot lane or mid lane to be ready for the next dragon. Keeping your mind focused on what the next important objective you can get is is the best way to up your macro game. Think about jungle timers and not just what towers are available.

You may be losing games because of positioning. Your job is to hit the highest priority target that it is safe to do. This means that if you can free hit the enemy ADC in a teamfight, you should! But if you are getting dove by a maokai and an Olaf, don't rush at the enemy adc, kite back and hit the two divers who are threatening you. I can probably upload a youtube clip of a Varus game that should show this clearly.

Mega TrixelApr 8, 20181 votes

Do you think I could send you a few replays of my own to look over? I could use a more minute and critical look at my play.

Sp33d Zer0Apr 8, 20181 votes

Go for it. But Idk how to download other peoples replays. I just have people upload their replay to youtube

iV0lt4GEApr 8, 20182 votes

IMO, I would never run Conqueror as an adc, it's basicly because only melee champions can reset it and it also requires you to be in combat for 4 sec, basicly it's a bruiser rune. If you want damage, go Press the Attack but most people take Fleet Footwork because we barely ever build lifesteal items and just go for full crit, since the rune heals for crit it is just so much better.

Mega TrixelApr 8, 20181 votes

I've heard this twice now, and noted to let it go.

Hencho101Apr 8, 20181 votes

So i am a gold ADC main, take my advice with a grain of salt, i'm not perfect. 1. Life Steal Item: You really seem to love item 3812 , but on champions who use autos( Sivir Jinx for example) more than spells for damage, item 3072 is just SOOOOO much better. While others like Kaisa would be better with 2. Keystones: You seem to enjoy taking Conqueror, is fine and all, but something like Fleetfoot work helps if you want to just survive in lane, the health is VERY helpful. Or Press the attack will give you MORE damage then conqueror. And on jg, if you want a damage rune, Electrocute is just all around better, if your playing a tank, i find Grasp/Aftershock works MUCH better. 3. Vision: Vision is HUGE. If you have a ward up and the Drag Pit/Tribush/River Bush isn't warded or the other team's support is using the bot lane bushes, ward in one of those spots. Priority is River and Tri 4. Kai'sa: This seems to be an ADC you and i BOTH play. For Runes i go a usual ADC rune page: Precision primary:Fleet Foorwork, Triumph/Overheal(depending on if my support can heal me), Legend Alacrity, Coup De Grace. Then go_ Sorcery secondary_: Gathering storm(needed) and Celerity So i find that using Bang's(SKTs ADCarry) build is REALLY good. You rush the item 3508 into item 3006 then get item 3124 so you can evolve your Q into a item 3085 so you can evolve your E. After you pick up a item 3812 and item 3031 , then your set. I've been able to solo carry so much with kai'sa, if you can play her, she's really good. Just play safe and ult for a SHIELD in a teamfights, NOT TO ENGAGE! The ADCs job is to do damage from the back line, not to dive into the other team to kill their ADC. 5. Heal vs Barrier: Heal is just all around better then Barrier, you can use it to save both you AND your support, heal gives you movement speed to chase or run and If you heal to escape then you regained health to stay in a fight if you need. The only time i would take Barrier is when my support is taking Heal and Exhaust won't help me. 6. Jungle Champs: If you want easy jungle champs to pick up and play, Amumu Warwick . If you can just land 1 skillshot, you can play these champs, their so easy to play, and have some good ganks. 7. Farm For a bronze player, your farm is actually really good! Perfect CS is considered 10 per min, but i have a hell of a hard time getting that. I think I get around 6-8 depending on the game, and the champ. But remember that a full wave is about 105 gold with out the cannon minion, so 3 waves of minions(18 minions) is worth more gold than a kill. Hope this helps you clime! Good luck on the rift!!! [slayer-jinx-wink]

Mega TrixelApr 8, 20181 votes

Lifesteal Item: I heard this above and it's been noted, thank you =D
Keystones: Also heard this above and has been noted!
I use my wards generally for lane bushes, as my girlfriend is my duo and I always make her to the tri and river. I need more pinks so I can put them out in the non-specific points like where mid never vision wards in the bush next to dragon etc.
Kai'Sa: I think I have a real needlessly large rod for anything that can use guinsoos haha. I'll take the notes on her into consideration.
I take barrier because it comes up more often than heal cause it was nerfed recently, it is also unaffected by ignite and has lead to come OP barrier baits under tower, which people still fall for in 2018. If I see more people telling me not to, I will stop taking it.
I may drop jungle as a secondary role in favor of mid for reasons listed above.

Thank you for your input, and any future input!

Hencho101Apr 8, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mega Trixel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OOBErkG9,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-04-08T21:09:52.784+0000) I think I have a real needlessly large rod for anything that can use guinsoos haha. I'll take the notes on her into consideration.

If you enjoy guinsoos then champs like KogMaw and Varus (Hard to master due to needing VERY good positioning) (i see you already play a ton of him) also use rageblade