Why Lee Sin Isn't and shouldn't be Nerfed

Gus The Cool Guy··4 votes·1,188 views

Riot isn't going to nerf Lee Sin LeeSin to the ground like they have done with champs in the past Khazix Shaco Yasuo Leblanc no one is happy with what has become of kha and le blanc and they don't want to repeat these mistakes. Riot has proven that they care more about competitive than Solo Queue they are obviously trying to head in the direction of more entertaining competitive matches that don't have boring strats (4v0, line of scrimmage until the minions spawn, or farm to late game Nasus Ryze Jax ) because there not fun to watch or talk about, they want to see early team fights at dragon and blue buff and #LCSBigPlays, not stay in lane and farm for 20 and wait for a mid lane to feel like roaming.

They seem to be following suit with the NFL which is one of the most successful entertainment industries now because it is a completely different game than what it once was because of all the game changing rules. Quarterbacks cant be touched period (#LCSBigPlays LeeSin LucianZed ), Corner backs can't touch the receiver's so they can make big catches Lulu Talon Ryze (these champs were nerfed because they were oppressing their lane opponent), safeties and line backer's cant knock the $hit out of receivers anymore because they have to form tackleKassadin Khazix Nocturne Leblanc (nerfing assassins to the ground so "marksmen" aren't getting blown up every team fight), smaller faster running backs thrive now because forward progress eliminates the need for fullbacks and big strong running backs (nerfing boring or just oppressive champions so other champions can thrive) DrMundo Singed Sona MaokaiAnnie Elise Pantheon Kayle . One of my major problems is how the NFL monopolizes the tv industry by having all of the major networks broadcast their show, and how Riot seems to be imitating this by "coincidentally" have service disruptions or maintenance or shutting down Solo Queue (the closest form of competition for the lcs that they have control over because if you watch lcs you probably play the game) for whatever reason during LCS matches.

But I can't blame them for refusing to just nerf a champ that doesn't need to be especially when he is doing what they want in all champs as they have previously stated; he creates interesting choices when playing as or against him, has strengths and weaknesses and above all else is fun to play and very fun to watch being played at a high level. Which I think is the right way to go about making champions.

One thing I think most people need to understand is that this game isn't being made for the public anymore it is being made more as a platform from which they can create revenue from both directly and indirectly but is marketed as a free to play game (similar to how u can play most sports with just a ball and a field, yet somehow people found ways to generate billions of dollars from sports). Riot has an opportunity to make the biggest e-sport game ever and I would hate it if they threw away this opportunity. I applaud them for of taking the chance to break ground in a new and rising industry and continue to create a game that is both fun to play and fun to watch.

This is just my opinion as an esport fan and sports fan in general. Please comment if you think i'm right or am just out of my mind.

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AetherKingdom5 votes

Riot isn't going to nerf Lee Sin LeeSin to the ground like they have done with champs in the past Khazix Shaco Yasuo Leblanc no one is happy with what has become of kha and le blanc and they don't want to repeat these mistakes. Riot has proven that they care more about competitive than Solo Queue they are obviously trying to head in the direction of more entertaining competitive matches that don't have boring strats (4v0, line of scrimmage until the minions spawn, or farm to late game Nasus Ryze Jax ) because there not fun to watch or talk about, they want to see early team fights at dragon and blue buff and #LCSBigPlays, not stay in lane and farm for 20 and wait for a mid lane to feel like roaming.

They seem to be following suit with the NFL which is one of the most successful entertainment industries now because it is a completely different game than what it once was because of all the game changing rules. Quarterbacks cant be touched period (#LCSBigPlays LeeSin LucianZed ), Corner backs can't touch the receiver's so they can make big catches Lulu Talon Ryze (these champs were nerfed because they were oppressing their lane opponent), safeties and line backer's cant knock the $hit out of receivers anymore because they have to form tackleKassadin Khazix Nocturne Leblanc (nerfing assassins to the ground so "marksmen" aren't getting blown up every team fight), smaller faster running backs thrive now because forward progress eliminates the need for fullbacks and big strong running backs (nerfing boring or just oppressive champions so other champions can thrive) DrMundo Singed Sona MaokaiAnnie Elise Pantheon Kayle . One of my major problems is how the NFL monopolizes the tv industry by having all of the major networks broadcast their show, and how Riot seems to be imitating this by "coincidentally" have service disruptions or maintenance or shutting down Solo Queue (the closest form of competition for the lcs that they have control over because if you watch lcs you probably play the game) for whatever reason during LCS matches.

But I can't blame them for refusing to just nerf a champ that doesn't need to be especially when he is doing what they want in all champs as they have previously stated; he creates interesting choices when playing as or against him, has strengths and weaknesses and above all else is fun to play and very fun to watch being played at a high level. Which I think is the right way to go about making champions.

One thing I think most people need to understand is that this game isn't being made for the public anymore it is being made more as a platform from which they can create revenue from both directly and indirectly but is marketed as a free to play game (similar to how u can play most sports with just a ball and a field, yet somehow people found ways to generate billions of dollars from sports). Riot has an opportunity to make the biggest e-sport game ever and I would hate it if they threw away this opportunity. I applaud them for of taking the chance to break ground in a new and rising industry and continue to create a game that is both fun to play and fun to watch.

This is just my opinion as an esport fan and sports fan in general. Please comment if you think i'm right or am just out of my mind.

lol. Kha'zix is no where near bad, and you have no idea what you are even saying.

LongHair Fox2 votes

lol. Kha'zix is no where near bad, and you have no idea what you are even saying.

Beside from NFL not being "one of the most successful entertainment industries" (it has nowhere near the viewer count as football (yes you would call it soccer) and is almost non existent outside of America) i got a couple of things wrong with what you are saying. Now don't get me wrong a can see why you would say what you do and i agree with your evidence but i believe there is a simpler reason than the one you are giving. I think riot's definition of "balance and interesting choices" and entertainment value from "LCSbigplays" are the same. You say yourself that counterplay is a big reason for assassins being nerfed and being too big of a lane bully is also a reason. But bringing more counterplay to a champ also makes it easier to balance them and it is at the core of making a champ healthy. In fact i would say that only a game where every move has counterplay is balanced and that is also the only fun thing to watch (imaging the extreme where nothing has counterplay and every move can be guessed from the start since there will always be a correct move that is strongest and has no counterplay). That being said i believe lee will be nerfed (he is oppressing) just like zed was and possibly even changed as lucian was. Not to saying he will be weak but he will be changed. I even think tryndamere said that they want to change him but have kept off because of play preassure.

Some of your examples are correct but others are not. I do however believe this is enough to make my point: Riot does not only nerf or buff champions based on their performance or entertainment value in the pro scene but also based on their entertainment values in soloqueue as you can easily see from warwick and poppy reworks being on their way. It may seem like they only do based on the pro scene but this is because any popular champion in the pro scene becomes played a lot in solo queue and their fault become very glaring to riot.

AetherKingdom1 votes

You say yourself that counterplay is a big reason for assassins being nerfed and being too big of a lane bully is also a reason. But bringing more counterplay to a champ also makes it easier to balance them and it is at the core of making a champ healthy.

I didn't say that.

LongHair Fox1 votes

You say yourself that counterplay is a big reason for assassins being nerfed and being too big of a lane bully is also a reason. But bringing more counterplay to a champ also makes it easier to balance them and it is at the core of making a champ healthy.

I didn't say that.

What you said:

(nerfing assassins to the ground so "marksmen" aren't getting blown up every team fight)

Getting blown up every fight means no counterplay if not then the marksmen would survive if they play well. My argument however still stands. It is boring to watch or play against champions with no counterplay. Giving counterplay also means being able to balance for every level and making LCSbigplays possible.

AetherKingdom1 votes

You say yourself that counterplay is a big reason for assassins being nerfed and being too big of a lane bully is also a reason. But bringing more counterplay to a champ also makes it easier to balance them and it is at the core of making a champ healthy.

I didn't say that.

What you said:

(nerfing assassins to the ground so "marksmen" aren't getting blown up every team fight)

Getting blown up every fight means no counterplay if not then the marksmen would survive if they play well. My argument however still stands. It is boring to watch or play against champions with no counterplay. Giving counterplay also means being able to balance for every level and making LCSbigplays possible.

That was what the main guy said. I quoted his entire post lolz

AetherKingdom5 votes

Also, you said Lucian won't be touched, and he literally just got some big nerfs. You're either stupid or horribly misinformed.

BlackRaven2 votes

jeez luis you could have made your point in under 5 sentences.

DSRM Mobius1 votes

I agree.

UPfreely1 votes

TLDR: e$port$

Gus The Cool Guy1 votes

I kinda meant how kha'zix has been changed so much since his release and lucian is still pretty much a top tier adc even after the changes instead of just destroying him completely like they have with some other champions

TheFallenShaw1 votes

Khazix is currently a top teir jug, Shaco should never be underestmated,Yasuo is still op to those that can play him that's why he's the #1 on the ban list,Leblanc idk but i think she's fine as is still a good pick.

I don't really see where your going with this. Now if you would of said nerfed like...Elise who was a top teir champ before, now sadly a 3rd-4th string pic. I'd have to agree. As far as Lee SinLeeSin goes... I don't see where he should be nerfed.

Now I do however think that Rengar could use some nerfs, not big ones mind you but some small ones. longer cd or some kinda cost to his free abilitys. He can constantly harrass in lane

LongHair Fox1 votes

That was what the main guy said. I quoted his entire post lolz

ohh sh*t kited by the bad posting system of this forum. Sorry post where meant to main guy xP.

Learn 2 Swim1 votes

Morello already admitted on his twitter that he is scared of Lee Sin mains being upset so they pretend to nerf him while nerfing his main competition much harder leaving Lee even more massively OP even though he did get nerfed.

TLDR riot are scumbags

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