How is what Hashshinshin doing fair

GemmasLsK·Nov 19, 2019·12 votes·3,881 views

End of season and its clearly showing hes not Masters material. His MMR is crap and he feeds everygame, then he just gets someone to boost him (guy named Hashinshin duo) who is 70% win rate in Masters 200 LP and wins him almost 10 games in a row to kick other well deserving players out of Masters?

How is this allowed, Riot -- Hashinshin cries about every aspect of your game but is allowed to abuse parts that basically cheat his way to an elo he doesnt deserve?

61 Comments

preternaturalNov 19, 201915 votes

so everyone else in high elo can duo but not hashinshin. even bjergsen can duo and no one will bat an eye, but lol "look everyone hashinshin is duo'ing, duo'ing is unfair cause hashinshin is duo'ing"

Btw the game would be much better if there was no duo's in the soloq.

GemmasLsKNov 19, 20195 votes

Bjergsen IS a Challenger player, there is no boosting a challenger player however being a proven Diamond 4, then having a array of ppl smurf boost you to a higher rank is a very different story, boosting is against TOS btw.

preternaturalNov 19, 20194 votes

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Bjergsen IS a Challenger player, there is no boosting a challenger player however being a proven Diamond 4, then having a array of ppl smurf boost you to a higher rank is a very different story, boosting is against TOS btw.

if its fine for bjergsen to ruin the ladder climb for people by duo'ing then it's fine for everyone to do so. hashinshin peaks masters solo btw, yes I've watched him and observed. so he can't be getting boosted if he's duo'ing in diamond innit, maybe masters+ but he switches to a smurf by then.

do you have something against hashinshin duo'ing? if so then he's already won by demonstrating to you why duoq is a trash addition to soloq. been saying it for years, but ofc someone popular or perhaps infamous had to galvanise the flock.

RagnaveilNov 19, 20192 votes

Also Hash use to be challenger at one point.

GemmasLsKNov 21, 20191 votes

You're not making any sense. Bjergsen plays on a challenger account and with other challenger accounts as a duo Q. AS PER WHAT IS ALLOWED to happen. There is a fundamental difference between that and Bjergsen getting several friends to make specific lower elo master accounts and diamond accounts and boost him the entire way up. Jesus christ it's quite sad I have to be explaining this.

RagnaveilNov 19, 20192 votes

Also if the system would ban griefers the first game they try to grief in. Riot chat bans me for being toxic, when I get toxic because of griefers being almost everywhere in high elo.

5050BSNov 21, 20191 votes

Riot bans things that do not affect the game and is in the players control (mute them) but does not ban things that is not in the players control (Inters, AFKers, Soft Inters, Trolls)

5050BSNov 20, 20192 votes

Boosting is boosting no matter if they are a paid person or a friend.

If I pay someone for sex its prostitution. If I have a sugar baby its prostitution. Just because you call someone by a different name does not change what it is. If it Walks like a Duck.

preternaturalNov 21, 20191 votes

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Boosting is boosting no matter if they are a paid person or a friend.

If I pay someone for sex its prostitution. If I have a sugar baby its prostitution. Just because you call someone by a different name does not change what it is. If it Walks like a Duck.

then skt boost each other via duo abuse to challenger+ every pro team does this. everyone is boosting. what now? :/ the nuance doesn't matter according to you, boosting is boosting, so what now? we ban every pro team?

GemmasLsKNov 21, 20191 votes

Are you lacking to understand this difference this severely ??? 3 people getting on their mains and playing is not boosting. 1 person making several fake accounts that bi-pass the difference of the rules and guidelines set in place IS BOOSTING.

WoonStruckNov 19, 201912 votes

Everyone does it. If they don't want people to do it, duo queue should be removed entirely, considering flex queue exists.

Just because he's a streamer doesn't mean he has arbitrary extra rules to follow.

Also, Hashinshin didnt feed and lose those games, did he? How can you say he's undeserving if he did his part?

Lord Zeta 1313Nov 19, 20194 votes

Agreed, he actually does well suprisigly often for how often and long he plays.

taleofsonataNov 19, 20191 votes

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Agreed, he actually does well suprisigly often for how often and long he plays.

I mean based on tfblade, NA skill level has dwell pretty low over the past years. People who were hardstucks diamond 5-4 for 8 years magically becomes challenger in season 9. Climbing in other region becomes harder and harder has times goes on, unlike NA.

GemmasLsKNov 19, 20192 votes

False, boosting is not allowed and against the rules, having someone go on a smurf and boost your account is against the rules. So doing is on stream is against the rules.

WoonStruckNov 19, 201911 votes

They're not boosting. They're friends playing with each other. :)

Try to prove it wrong, then you'll understand why there's nothing to be done, and why duo queue should be removed.

If Hashinshin is holding his own in those games, which he is, then he's not being boosted. He's duoing with a jungler that won't ignore his lane all game. That's pretty much all that's happening.

Considering the large majority of what Hashinshin complains about, outside of mages/ADCs, is how if your jungler shows up and the other doesn't, you automatically win, I'd say he's kinda proving a point in a way.

RagnaveilNov 19, 20191 votes

Exactly. In fact, hes bringing to light the point of Riot doesnt know what they are doing with toplane. They think solo exp is just gonna, magically fix it. No, it needs a preseason where tons of effort is put into fixing its toxic nature. You need jung help to actually do something (no other lane needs it to that level, they just need the jung for ganks and kills, not to actually do something), the balance paradigm in top is non-existent (hence why ranged and mages just abuse the shit out of melee), and time and time again the lane has been shafted for every other lane's pleasure (tank meta was cause by ADCs case you people forgot)

5050BSNov 21, 20191 votes

A Prostitute and a Sugar Baby are one and the same. Just because you use two different names for them does not change the fact of what the relationship is.

GemmasLsKNov 19, 20191 votes

He also does feed those games 0-9, 0-11. But having someone on your team saying "im a challenger smurf, this is a free win" then proceeding to single handedly win you 10 games in a row helps. Don't get me wrong, if you think this is ok and its ok, i'll gladly do it next season.

WoonStruckNov 19, 20195 votes

I mean, you're clearly lying. I think you just specifically have something against Hashinshin.

He had one game where he had 0 kills in the past 3 days, and that was not duoing, and on Mundo jungle. The games I'm assuming you're talking about were not lost due to Hashinshin's influence alone. There were many factors.

Nowhere did he win 10 games in a row in the past 3 days.

He's only played 15 games with him so far today (and the past 3 days). He lost 6 of them. His highest win streak was 4 games. He won 9 total.

FINALLY, his duo's winrate is only 64%. Far cry from the 70% you claim. How much of that do you think was climbing and not playing with players near his skill level in diamond 2+ MMR? Considering he's only played 200 games at a 64% winrate to Hashinshin's 500+ at a 54% winrate.

FFS, Hash has a 63% winrate with over 110 games on Aatrox in the past 7 days, one of the worst champions in the game atm and almost CONSTANTLY playing fatigued, and you'll probably still cry about how Hashinshin is a terrible player, I bet.

GemmasLsKNov 19, 20191 votes

Hash has those win rates because hes DUOING WITH A SMURF ON A SEPARATE ACCOUNT who even brags about giving up FREE WINS on his smurf. 64% win rate in MASTER LEAGUE IS NOT REALISTIC. Hashinshin was a hardstuck Diamond 4 before getting LLJustice, Karasmi and now this smurf to boost him. Not a hard accomplishment when you ""cheat"", and not something that's difficult to do if you're already at a Diamond level uses separate boosters to get you there, hence why anyone can go buy a $1000 account with 100 games in Masters.

His behavior of abusing the system is toxic the system is made in place to cancel ppl from playing too far away from divisions, this can be loopholed by just finding a friend to get a smurf in that cutoff , something needs to be done about it, whether its cancelling Duo Q end of season or not. He went 13-3 from being down 0-2 in his Promos to Masters to kicking out a deserving Masters player. His last 7 games goes as such, 1-10, 15-8, 1-10, 1-11, 15-3, 4-11. 2-6.

He is clearly VERY clearly playing out of his MMR rank.

I bet you still think he's deserving of the rank he currently has, I bet.

WoonStruckNov 19, 20191 votes

What makes you think plenty of those Masters players didn't get duo boosted by a friend? What makes you think making multiple accounts and getting them to masters is fair when they kick out technically 'deserving' players?

Also, funny how you specifically use last 7 games to make him look as bad as you can. 7 is such a specific number lmao.

Even if Hash doesn't deserve Masters, holy fuck you very clearly have issues with him. Chill. You're spending too much of your time and energy worrying about a human being you'll never meet.

RagnaveilNov 19, 20192 votes

Let me bring to light something thats a problem that is causing people to duo: Matchmaking. If it wasnt so garbage, people wouldnt have to duo just to reduce the amount of shit players on their team by 1. Hell, next year im getting a duo partner so I can climb because it aint sure as hell gonna come from playing with 5 randoms that matchmaking decides to give me that are not up to par.

5050BSNov 21, 20191 votes

The issue is that the Smurf Duoing is a HUGE Part of WHY Match Making is such Trash.

They are Boosting players to levels they should not be AND Ruining games they are in.

If Im on the opposing team of the Smurf I should have maybe won but didnt ONLY because of the Smurf so my MMR went down and now Im screwing players in other games because my skill is better then my MMR.

Smurfing completely undermines the whole Ladder.

RagnaveilNov 21, 20191 votes

Duoing has been in the game for a long time. Its only become a problem now because of how utterly garbage the matchmaking system has become. Queue times decreased with the price of actual good matchmaking. If they want the queue times in Grandmaster/Challenger to be lower, then provide a different matchmaking system for that specific rank scale. Its not like the LP gains and limits are completely different in those ranks compared to Dia and lower.

usul1202Nov 20, 20191 votes

I, a 100% nonsmurf, hit masters with a 61% winrate this season. Climbing through low elo massively inflates since p4-d3 isnt too bad at all.

Also masters doesn't have a limit to the number of players, he kicked out no one beyond them losing a game or 2.

GemmasLsKNov 20, 20191 votes

It's not in question whether the person who boosted him is a smurf, he admits it and openly advertises it.

usul1202Nov 21, 20191 votes

And quite possibly is, once again, wasn't watching. Just commenting that stuff like

64% win rate in MASTER LEAGUE IS NOT REALISTIC.

Isn't a real thing, even normal players can hit it.

Your rage and hyperbole make a legitimate conversation about duoing vs boosting difficult to achieve.

GemmasLsKNov 21, 20191 votes

So what you are implying is if next season I go and pay someone to systematically use several different accounts to get me to Masters, this is not cheating it is my rightful spot? and this is comparable to duoing with 1 person on his main all the way up??

Ok, your logic is extremely flawed.

usul1202Nov 21, 20191 votes

Your rightful spot? Hell no, it's a scumbag move. Is it against the rules? No. The rules have a leniency so that people can play with friends. (which is why you used to not be able to duo when challenjour) please stop strawmanning people's arguments.

vgamedudeNov 20, 20191 votes

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Everyone does it. If they don't want people to do it, duo queue should be removed entirely, considering flex queue exists.

Just because he's a streamer doesn't mean he has arbitrary extra rules to follow.

Also, Hashinshin didnt feed and lose those games, did he? How can you say he's undeserving if he did his part?

They dont remove duo queue exclusively for bot lane. Its stupid.

KVbqbFsC8eNov 19, 201912 votes

Boosting via duo is allowed.

AdamrCcNov 19, 20195 votes

It isn't hits fault duo Q exists. Riot allows him to queue with people within a division's distance and it's fine in the eyes of Riot to queue anyone within that gap.

Of course, just fucking remove duos and make it exclusively a 'solo' queue. Duo Q isn't fair to begin with.

PumpedheroNov 19, 20194 votes

Ngl you can't really carry in masters.. it doesnt work that way. you can carry in gold, silver, plat, diamond... Not masters. He has higher MMR than most pro players, Hashinshin complains about overtuned champs and complains when hes angry. He plays solo Q I'd bargain, 60-70% of his games. Then Duos if he feels like it.

GemmasLsKNov 19, 20192 votes

His duo Smurf claims "ffree win im smurfing" before every game and has a 63% win rate as a jg main, so yeah

usul1202Nov 19, 20191 votes

Nah, you really can. It's a small pool, but most people don't realize just how good the people at the top of the ladder are. They cruise right through our masters bs. It's actually super impressive to watch when they're try harding.

That being said, last I saw hashitshit was sitting in gm for the last split on one of his accounts that he was playing a lot, so where the main account ends is w/e.

PumpedheroNov 19, 20191 votes

No.. you really cant at masters skill level. You cant carry in top of the top it doesnt work that way. 1 person cant face 5 others of the same skill and carry the game by himself. I mean you can hate hashinshin, but 2-3 of his accts still have diamond+ mmr, master mmr at that. and to Gemmas, I mean its a hashinshin duo.. its gonna be toxic, imagine thinking you can "smurf" in highest tier(s). Thats not how masters work.

usul1202Nov 19, 20191 votes

Okay, but as a person who is in that elo (peak 60 lp masters), yes they can. I've played with challengers through 770lp. Do you realize how high that is? That guy has a bigger lp difference to me than a p3 to a masters 0 lp player. It's actually crazy.

No idea what his accounts ended at tho, his mmr could be diamond for all I know. I think the gm account was "permaban riven", but I don't really follow the dude. Not my cup of tea.

GemmasLsKNov 20, 20191 votes

The "Permaban Riven" account was being played at the same time as he was playing a game live on his stream on his different account, it's amazing what lengths people go through to defend this fraud.

usul1202Nov 20, 20191 votes

As I said above, I don't watch his stream or care at all for the player, was just commenting that it is completely possible to hard carry through master if you're top of the ladder.

That being said, a bit surprised at the claim, since I've seen clips of him playing on that account on synapse a good bit. Do you have any evidence of both being played at once?

Hi im 12Nov 19, 20194 votes

"if you complain about a games flaws you better not use those flaws!!!!" you do realize how stupid you sound rn right

GemmasLsKNov 19, 20191 votes

That's fine dude, i'll abuse it next season no worries.

SaezioNov 19, 20192 votes

You shouldn't be able to duo past diamond 4, and surely not in masters. (Ideally only in flex Q and nowhere in soloq but people are sensitive about it for some reason)

Or at least make it so you can't duo in promos.

WoonStruckNov 19, 20192 votes

Reduce LP gains if you duo. Significantly.

It should be like seasons 1-3 where if you duo'd you KNEW you were going in with a significant detriment (as in you get matched significantly higher) to your team's MMR matching.

Considering how fucked matchmaking is in general right now, that wouldn't really affect anything anymore, which is why I suggest reducing LP gains significantly. It'd effectively be the same, then.

SaezioNov 19, 20191 votes

Thing is, if you duo in masters/challenger, how is the game supposed to match you into higher MMR games? Like, what are they gonna do? Throw you in LCS match? lol

WoonStruckNov 19, 20192 votes

That's why I said reduce LP gains instead. That would significantly impact high MMR duos while also significantly slowing down boosting at lower MMRs.

5050BSNov 20, 20191 votes

No Duo should not be in Ranked at all. Its Toxic to the whole ladder because of like what this guy is doing.

GemmasLsKNov 19, 20192 votes

So I guess the general consensus is I can have my friends get multiple accounts and boost me incrementally to a rank I dont deserve or pay someone, see y'all in masters next season everyone!

ŻügżwängNov 19, 20193 votes

It's not a consensus.. that's how it is. Make a post complaining that solo queue should be strictly solo.

I honestly don't get why they don't make duo's go to flex.

nm1010Nov 19, 20192 votes

Smurfs are allowed, duo'ing is allowing, therefore duo-boosting through a smurf is allowed. Stupid rules in most peoples' opinions, but nothing can really be done about it. It is one of those things that you just kind of have to allow since you can't stop it.

GemmasLsKNov 21, 20191 votes

At least this guy is actually sensible and understands what is going on instead of the Hashshin fan boys brownosers. Don't worry guys, if you disagree with him here and admit he's a fraud he won't permaban you.