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Morgana changes net result: mid lane morg nerfed - support morg buffed

Darknur··4 votes·1,333 views

hi, i have been playing league since season 1. since then, there has been alot of improvement in how you guys change champs or balance. and i think youve done a great job to inform why you change what you change.

however, with morgana in patch 7.24, you only elaborated on the initial change, not the hotfix. which in turn made the net change negative for mid morgana mains. it seems like she just lost laning sustain[lost spell vamp from minions] and receive small reward [more spell vamp from champs]. as a mid laner, you would much prefer to be better at farming than get a small reward for a CHANCE at getting hp back. it seems odd to get perks for hitting champs when you are a FARMING champion and not an assassin type. so wouldnt this in turn be a nerf? was this the original intention? will there be a later change in 7.25? or 8.1?

i got to diamond 1 playing her and wanna make a run again for it, but if she gets nerfed more, im gonna die a little inside tears. i chose to main her because she gets changed so little throughout the seasons. i dont play 8 hrs a day like alot of ppl do. i play a few hours a week, so i have always picked champs to main that i believed you wouldnt change much. i think mid mains in general would have liked pre 7.24 better. thoughts?

i dont think this will make support morg OP necessarily, but if she becomes played more and she gets nerfed, i fear mid morg will die out. for example, sustain from minions is crucial vs ad casters mid like zed/talon

TL;DR: 7.24 + hotfix nerfed mid morg and buffed support morg. because support morg mostly hits champs, not minions. if she gets played alot bot and gets nerfed, mid morg will be very weak.

P.S. i know my grammar sucks

8 Comments

SB Arneeman5 votes

The statistics says otherwise. Support Morg gaines 1% more winrate, while midlane Morg gained 2% from the change. Remember that W cooldown is reduced every time you deal damage to a champion, cannon or monster. This means you can have W up permanently(even 2 sometimes) in fights which is a solid damage increase.

Azadethe2 votes

[{quoted}](name=SB Arneeman,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=O8lxMWIu,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-12-19T12:12:10.729+0000)

The statistics says otherwise. Support Morg gaines 1% more winrate, while midlane Morg gained 2% from the change. Remember that W cooldown is reduced every time you deal damage to a champion, cannon or monster. This means you can have W up permanently(even 2 sometimes) in fights which is a solid damage increase.

You're not actually reading patch notes. They nerfed the snot out her 2 days after the initial rework. 2 Sec longer base cooldown on W (makes the net cooldown reduction only 1.33 sec shorter than the old W after procs)

Only heals 20% off 1 minion per 2 waves, vs up to 8.66 per minion in EVERY wave. That's a net 13 minions per 2 waves, or 112% spell vamp vs a 20%. (56% at lower levels) If you add in a champion, it's 40% vs 120.8% or 60.4%.

In all worlds, the heal is worse on mid. The W change is a net positive, but it also risks situations where you don't have a cannon minion or a champ in the proc, putting you out 2 more seconds of using it, so it's not always worth that net 1.33 second reduction in cooldown.

Morg has higher win rates because old players who shelved her but still know how to play her pulled her off the shelf. That's going to disappear. And, at the same time as her "win rate" went up, her deaths and assists soared, meaning these morgs were literally kamikaze ulting, which is viable, given' R's huge base damage. If she can pull it off, it's a guaranteed 500+ damage to an entire team, if not much more if AP. That doesn't speak to balance; it suggests people are abusing a feature to pull off statistical wins while destroying their KDA, kind of like Singed does. And nothing changed about her ult. Just the playstyle around it.

Attticus Finch1 votes

"Morg has higher win rates because old players who shelved her but still know how to play her pulled her off the shelf."

I admit that this is a cunning strategy for ignoring the statistics that contradict your point in favor of your anecdotes, but do you have a single fact to back this up?

Azadethe1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Attticus Finch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=O8lxMWIu,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-20T02:19:47.644+0000)

"Morg has higher win rates because old players who shelved her but still know how to play her pulled her off the shelf."

I admit that this is a cunning strategy for ignoring the statistics that contradict your point in favor of your anecdotes, but do you have a single fact to back this up?

The pick rate went from around 2% to 4-5% over the duration of the patch. Those players came from somewhere. Many from old Morg mains, like myself.

And, you're conveniently ignoring the fact that During these patches, Morg was #1 in deaths and assists, even though none of the changes should have caused something like that.

SB Arneeman1 votes

She doesn't effectively have worse sustain really. You can QW the wraith camp or another camp to restore a good chunk of health. As a safe wave clearer you should not be taking that much damage anyway.

Azadethe1 votes

[{quoted}](name=SB Arneeman,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=O8lxMWIu,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-20T11:32:26.013+0000)

She doesn't effectively have worse sustain really. You can QW the wraith camp or another camp to restore a good chunk of health. As a safe wave clearer you should not be taking that much damage anyway.

The Wraith camp discussion is subjective to your jungle and lane pressure, but you could do that before too. It's still only 1 target that heals you, same as a minion wave, and you're wasting it on the camp rather than your wave early game.

I generally agree on the latter point. No. Morg is one of the most passive mid lane farmers. I'll give you that. However, if it's a high pressure lane vs someone who is good at over minion poking, and making your lane phase miserable, like Talon, Kat, Vlad, Fizz, Orianna, Xerath, Vel Koz, Syndra, Ziggs, ..... champs who can get aggressive and your Q usually misses on if they know what they're doing....... You need the sustain to stay in lane. Early game, W isn't that good at clearing unless you can also get in and auto, which puts you in a position where these champs can pound you before you get strong. In those matchups, her sustain does matter, and is worse than it was.

I'd also like to point out again; Morg is mostly suffering due to the new runes. About the only rune that seems to be "okay" with her is Comet, and that puts her in a compromising position to where she used to be, because of her ult's proximity. She used to be tanky when building tank because the armor boosts activated when taking damage, rather than when applying immobilizes. You also had your just flat bonuses on the same mastery pages you had your utility on. Now, they are on different pages. If you go Comet, your survivability is a LOT worse, and there really isn't a Resolve build for Morg, nor is there a Precision one, and there's not even a Domination one (Only when Morg is ulting would electrocute proc, and Predator and Dark Harvest are ill suited). So.... she's pretty much left with Comet, which misses a ton unless she has a Rylai's, or only activates correctly on her Q (usually her W has done a good job of putting it on cooldown though).

They also took 136 off her HP in the nerf after rework, so she's dying a lot faster even if we're arguing that her sustain is "not important." 136 HP means Assassins kill MUCH faster (helps Zed get low HP faster) and she dies a lot faster in group fights. And keep in mind: They've been raising damage of items and runes at the same time as this is happening.

You used to actually use Morg's ult. Now, the majority of the game is spent spamming Q and W, and only using her Ult when her sacrifice could = a lane push or early game where people can't kill her in 2 sec yet.

SB Arneeman1 votes

Morgana doesn't really have worse synergy with runes than other midlane champions. Stopwatch is really nice to get a proper ult off early, and Comet is also a guaranteed hit whenever you hit q, and you also deal decent damage with it just placing W on the opponent. I tested her full combo and you get 2 or even 3 comets off.

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

''however, with morgana in patch 7.24, you only elaborated on the initial change, not the hotfix.'' Precisely why us older players are aggravated with riot's deliberate miscommunication.

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