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Let's talk about New Eve Riot, for the sake of the Eve mains.

FELIXtheFROG··48 votes·4,824 views
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I am a** Diamond player **smurfing on a new account. I've linked my Op.gg, I just finished my first 10 placement matches trying to one trick new Eve, and this is my opinion about her current state. Don't get me wrong, this isn't about me flaming that new Eve kit is garbage and asking to revert to old Eve, I'm here to talk about how the new Eve works in most or every games and my thoughts on her at this state.

How well does Eve sustain in the jungle? Very good, A LOT better than the old Eve. Old Eve would be quite low after finishing 3 camps for level 3, and other junglers could easily invade her. This time, Eve can jungle without being low hp and risk dying from invades. Although she's very strong against killing monsters now, she's not reliable enough to invade other junglers at level 2 because of how weak her abilities is against champions.

Eve's combo? Riot seems to try to make Eve like an AP Assassin, but through my games, I haven't have much success with one shotting or assassinating ADCs at all, even when I was fed. Once you engage with your E, there would be a HUGE gap where the enemy can counterplay you. You don't usually use your W to engage for teamfights because by the time you used it, the ADC would group with team or run away to where you can't catch up without revealing yourself. I find where I used W most would be for ganking at laning phases. Otherwise I use W to chase and slow them only. I rarely use it to engage because it is too difficult to land for charm mid to late game team fights.

What is some problems with New Eve? The problem is her gap closer, and the window for LOTS of counterplay against her. Her Empowered E range is not good enough, it's too short. BUILDING PROTOBELT IS A MUST for her, without PROTOBELT, her engage is just a lot harder to work with. Protobelt is always my first item after jungle item. Sadly, you can't really snowball with Protobelt because it's not as strong as Lichebane, which is what Eve's main damage item is.

Is Eve weak? Yes, she is weak, and those that says she's OP just doesn't know how she works. Old Eve can one shot better than New Eve when fed early game. Old Eve doesn't rely on her Ult to one shot squishies.

Let's compare her to other AP jungle champs- **Elise **- Can one shot ADC no problem and also dive enemies easily with her Rappel. She can also build Bruiser AP and still be useful. Nidalee - Decent sustain in jungle, fast clear, and can invade junglers at level 2. Can one shot squishy easily with full range spear and W Q combo.

How is Eve's Ult? Eve's Ult is no doubt STRONG....** if** they're below 30% hp. Her ult is a requirement for "One Shotting" or "Assassinating" ADCs or squishies. Her Ult cooldown is INSANELY LONG level 1, reason why I always run 45% cooldown late game. Most of the time when it's an even game, and I tried to assassinate a squishy such as Lux, I would get her low enough and then ult her but she wouldn't be below exactly 30%, so she would live through my ult. Why didn't I get her low enough? Because I would've die if I fight her ANY longer. You see how she's not really an Assassin? She's not like Zed, who can one shot squishies just with 3 abilities without using ult. Same as Elise, who doesn't need an insanely long cooldown just to one shot someone squishy.

Long story short, her ult cooldown is too long, and raising the 30% hp higher at level 3 Ult would be VERY helpful. At late game, my combo on an ADC without anyone peeling the ADC would get her to about 50% mostly, when I'm insanely fed, it would get her to 40%. (These are without Charming, because it's near impossible to land a Charm late game in teamfights or when engaging) Her ult could use a buff honestly.

SHOULD YOU PLAY EVE FOR CLIMBING? I say yes if you're gold and below, other than that, there's just MANY better champs out there for AP Jungle. Elise and Nidalee is by far, a better jungler than Eve can be, currently.

Next patch, they're buffing her Q and E, will it be good enough to fix her up now? I say it's good.... for faster Jungle clear, but it still wouldn't help you one shot or assassinate anyone faster. Sad thing is that Lee Sin can assassinate squishies better mid or late game than the New Eve.

What does Eve MOST rely on to assist her? She relies on MOVEMENT SPEED AND HER ULT. Eve is heavily ULT reliant, but the worst part is that her level 1 Ult cooldown is insanely long. If you don't have ult and you get caught onto ANY 1v1, you would most likely LOSE the fight. You have to play like a little B word if your ULT is on cooldown.

Why does she need a lot of movements? It's for her to Roam around the map faster early game so you can start get the game going, as late game is her worst enemy. Having lots of movement speed HELPS her ganking potential ALOT. A BIG DIFFERENCE with MOBI BOOTS vs Swiftness.

I've tested the runes and having AD runes is no longer good for her, magic pen on marks would be a lot better. I prefer to run 10% CD SCALE because there's not much difference on having extra AP for glyphs.

I will continue to play her to see how far I'll get with her until I feel like quitting her. Leave me your comments and questions about Eve and I'll try my best to answer them.

EDIT: One thing I forgot to add, Eve Mechanics - Eve has 0 FLASH mechanic, for example : Lee Sin Ult+Flash, Draven E+Flash, J4 EQ+Flash etc... ONE THING I FOUND OUT WHEN PLAYING HER IS, Her Empowered E, follows the enemy, almost like Warwick's Q. One of my ganks, I Empowered E exactly when the enemy flash, which made me flew with him.

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112 Comments

nice table23 votes

could you drop us a post from your main? at least looking at your match history what you say is hard to believe or you simply don't play a lot of jungle.

FELIXtheFROG10 votes

I will ignore these kind of comments, and I'm not gonna even try to prove that I'm a "diamond" player by posting from my main. If you doubt that I'm a diamond, who cares. It's clearly you judge too quickly.

nice table35 votes

uhuh, usually when you feel the need to point something out in your post you should be prepared to prove it. you do realize that the "hilo guise high elo god ere posting from smurf btw hehexd" happens every day on these boards right?

LichKing23417 votes

yeah it makes us question you but being able to post from your main shouldnt be hard my dude if you make a claim you should be ready to defend it*[sg-janna]*

Sraeg20138 votes

Not posting from your main has many perks. For example you aren't risking your main account on the Boards mingling with nazimods.

Drugoth9 votes

Yeah. Definitely, because this excuse holds water better than a sieve...

Sraeg20136 votes

It's not an excuse, it's an explanation you can acknowledge or not.

At any rate denying facts isn't exactly unheard of.

Drugoth9 votes

And neither is accusing mods of being Nazis. The mods on these boards are not fascist at all. Where do you get these ideas?

Sraeg20135 votes

First of all nazism and facism aren't the same thing.

Fairyfleur2 votes

Punishments on the boards have no effect ingame though?

Sraeg20133 votes

You may still end up not being able to use your main account on the Boards.

Eleshakai1 votes

But if you don't use it on the boards anyways, why do you care if you can't?

And if you only use it when making certain posts, then you recognize that the other posts you're making aren't appropriate... and you should simply NOT MAKE THEM rather than switch accounts to make them.

Sraeg20131 votes

The joke, my kind sir, is that what I or you may find inappropriate doesn't have to align with what mods think is such content.

For example one guy was banned (or just warned with their comment removed, don't remember now exactly) on the Boards guess what for... For posting official Miss Fortune splash art which was deemed "mature content".

You can't possibly foresee such a glaring lapse in judgement and I'll let you know that mods here are very defensive about all kinds of "inappropriate" content punishments to the point of valuing, for example, Urban Dictionary over Wikipedia, books, studies or whatever as a way to validate their reasons.

Eleshakai1 votes

That has nothing to do with my comment. My comment stated two things:

  1. Why does it matter to you if you can't use your main account on the boards if you never use it to begin with?
  2. If you DO use it sometimes, then you clearly recognize that you're crossing a line the rest of the time, or there would be nothing to drive you to switch to your alternate account in the first place. Because you recognize you're crossing a line.... you should have the sense to simply NOT make those posts at all.
Sraeg20131 votes

It has nothing to do with your comment, because you either haven't read my post or prefer denial.

  1. Because for one reason or another I may want to use it in the future.

Think of it like this: Imagine the Boards were a building that's currently a, say, bowling club. You got kicked out, because they didn't like the way you throw the ball. Some time later the owner of the club decided to repurpose the building into a night club.

You wanted to come in, but you couldn't, because you didn't get a ban on the bowling club, but on entering the building altogether.

  1. In my previous comment I provided you with an example of a "over the line" behaviour you couldn't possibly think was a thing. You are using OFFICIAL game art on an OFFICIAL forum of that game and you get banned, because it isn't PEGI 12 (or whatever rating is used), despite that's how the game using said art is classified.

Tell me, how could you possibly know that behaviour was over the line?

The answer is, you couldn't.

Do you fasten your seatbelt because you intend to go over the speed limit or because something unexpected may happen for any reason?

Eleshakai2 votes

calling the mods fascists, white supremacists, or other such things might be more relevant to the reasons you get banned than you're choosing to admit...

Sraeg20135 votes

Facism isn't nazism, I'm not calling anybody white supremacists, it's a meme from Twitch and Reddit.

Also it's the direct result of their judgements, not the other way around.

Eleshakai1 votes

If you call someone a nazi... you're calling them a white supremacist... just a very specific form of white supremacist. Regardless of whether it's a 'meme'... some words shouldn't be used as jokes. Simply not appropriate. If you can't recognize that, then you don't have very good moral values and that's also going to play into why you'd get banned on a forum.

Sraeg20131 votes

Stop feeding yourself the mainstream propaganda and look up what nazism was actually about. You can't call somebody a "white supremacist" if their ideology is AGAINST half of "white" communities. You'd be closer to the truth if you said "anti-Semitic", as that was the core of volkism and later nazism.

And yes, the comedy is in fact about offending people, believes, situations and what not. That's the driving force behind dark humour, period jokes, "I did nazi that coming" puns. So, please, spare me those "Iz innapprupriate" lectures and don't act like my moral guardian.

It's neither needed nor welcomed.

And if you can't stand a mildly offensive meme, then I suggest unplugging your Internet cable, because there's way more and way worse content on the Internet that you can't hide from and which may scar you mentally for the rest of your life.

Eleshakai1 votes

Oh no, it doesn't bother me. It's very hard to legitimately bother me. But me being personally bothered by something doesn't weigh into whether I see it as morally wrong or not.

And things will never improve if we don't actively try to push for it. Whether they are bothered or not, anyone who has any real morals will be driven to try to make SOME effort to try to improve the way things are if things are not ideal.

Sraeg20131 votes

Oh no, it doesn't bother me. It's very hard to legitimately bother me. But me being personally bothered by something doesn't weigh into whether I see it as morally wrong or not.

Clearly.

And things will never improve if we don't actively try to push for it. Whether they are bothered or not, anyone who has any real morals will be driven to try to make SOME effort to try to improve the way things are if things are not ideal.

What...?

By definition morality isn't "real". It's a set of believes, a derivative of selfish desires. Saying a particular set of morals is "real" is nothing more than thought-policing.

FELIXtheFROG6 votes

I'd rather have my privacy and yes I understand that it'd question you guys but like I said, "who cares", meaning I don't care if you guys are doubting me.

nice table2 votes

oh you must be really famous for the boards to care about our anonymous online identity :^)

Aezanthya14 votes

Her ult should work like any other execution in the game : the damage should be increase via %missing hp. So that you don't get screwed by a shield or a target suddenly going to 30,1% hp. This is so tilting... you ult the guy only for them to live with 10hp because they suddenly got to 30%+hp and you can't do shit because you got sent back away.

JiMMaTuL10 votes

Agreed, listen to this guy.

LankPants7 votes

I also think that a lot of the issue lies in her W. In the lane phase you can just about work a 2.5 second delay, it's more trouble than it's worth but it's doable. In later game fights Eve's W just ceases to function, a 2.5 second delay is too long for anyone, let alone a squishy champion to work with.

FELIXtheFROG4 votes

Yes I agree, it is way too long late game. If they lower the timer as you level W up, maybe things can change.

Azadethe4 votes

Personally, I find she does okay at ..... getting scores.

She only does about 1/3 the damage she used to do in the duration of a game to champs though (I'm lucky to hit 20k, mostly because the new kit has conditions to meet before getting into and out of a fight (Hate spike no longer is really a super spam vs champs, and isn't nearly as good as a chase/running defense as it used to be, because now half the damage is a skill shot, and the cdr brings it to only about half effectiveness vs champions). What I'm getting at is, she no longer really has both sustained damage AND burst damage. She gets her burst, but really harassing with Hate spike is something the change removed.

I know people are thrilled about her ult; for what it lost in defensiveness it gained in offense, but that's not really true in many cases. The damage output for being able to <30% is extremely conditional, and usually by the time you can use it, Charm is over, so any mag resist they have still reduces it, and because her core items all have low AP relative to other AP items, her scaling is less than other mages at late points in the game. At the 20 minute mark, it's rare for Eve to have over 218 AP, which only puts her around at ~870 damage < 30% ult. The Lich boosts well her immediate kit versus one person, but a 870 damage conditional ult that actually only does 435 most of the time at a 20 minute mark, scales worse than most mages at that point (Morg's Ult for instance can do far more, because her base damage is 300, which allows her to abuse items like an Abyssal Mask to boost, and her AP is significantly higher).

It's very hard to make the charm useful, because 2.5 seconds is just hellacious time to not be able to do anything to actually get the charm, and the slow usually isn't worth doing, because most pro play sees a ton of counter knockups to slows, slow reducing items, move speed items, and when you have to counter all those.... It's VERY easy for a second teammate of theirs to come along and save them, or they outright save themselves while Eve's Q is on cooldown. For example, I've seen some pretty good jannas, who will literally wait until I've bursted 80% of their hp to proc a fresh cast Q at point blank, and while I'm in the air, she's got far enough away I can't ult her, nor follow without wasting my ult and risking getting caught. Trying to get 2.5 of doing nothing vs an MF is just crazy, unless she's dumb and doesn't run.

I don't mind Eve not getting a 50-60k damage game. but the mechanics of the current skills prevent even a 30-40k damage game, because it's all about setting up conditions now. You simply can't be an overbearing presence that forces tons of recalls anymore, which means that the games are always short, always lane pressured, and sometimes recoverable by the other team for no fault of your own team, purely out of lack of harass pressure..

I'm saying this as someone who generally can get 9/0 before the actual end game heat starts. I can get the solo kill yields easy. but then I finish a game 10/2/7 or so, and have 18k damage, I know something's wrong, especially when I was ganking constantly. And then, I look at my Gangplank teammate I got snowballed, and he has 56k damage in the same game, for basically being a barrel camp with a 1200 damage Q. GP's Q more or less has more game control than Eve's Ult!

And, because of Eve's unique, very limited build options, sometimes there are champs she simply can't exist in the same match with. 80% of Eve's damage come from AP scaling, so going semi tank to deal with an Akali or zed just isn't viable. You can throw in a Zhonya's or a Banshee's but 1) they have less AP 2) have no HP to beef up, and most importantly 3) They slow eve's build down, permanently changing the capability of even to be in a match, and 4) Don't really offer enough core stats to stop an Akali from 2 hitting you (Any 5 kill + akali can 1 shot Evelynn on a Meta build with 0 counterplay ..... you don't even have time to get an ult off).

That, tbh is what scares me. Eve currently has no defense at ALL vs 1 shot champs, most fed adcs, and if you try to build to create those defenses, your kit does garbage damage for the rest of the game, resulting in an even weaker damage profile, and probably not much better sustain presence anyways.

Which leads me back to AD scaling. Most AD assassins are capable of becoming juggernauts vs mages/AP assassins. They have Maw of Malmortius, EoN, and mercurial scimitar, all of which still vastly boost their damage AND make them tanky. If Eve tries to make herself armor or resist tanky, she has 0 options: Banshee's Veil or Zhonya's. And that's it. And while they boost her damage, they simply are 1) One item that is viable for defense and 2) they cut into her ability to assassinate where AD assassins' resist items all result in greater mods for assassination.

And, Eve's kit purely and desperately needs Mobility shoes. AD assassins don't. If they need to vs a specific team build, they can Ninja Tabi or Mercurial. If Eve does those in pro play, she will have about 70 less move speed, which means you can almost forget about charming someone and actually controlling that fight. And, she isn't able to actually peel any chasers after an ult with that low of move speed. You end up wasting your ult to get away, only to be pursued and outrun and killed.

AP users need more tanky viable items suited for Assassins, or Evelynn needs to have some AD functionality to be really well rounded. (being able to have a Youmuu's would change the game on the boots story for Evelynn for example, by allowing a "little more tankiness" while giving back the move speed out of combat).

kalima9944 votes

Tbh I think old evelynn was stronger.Better early game presence and more consistent

Knalxz3 votes

Riot won't listen any time soon is the sad truth. Just think of how hard MM fought for Morde and Riot still choose months of eating their own shit then to just listen to the man.

Even after they did they even half assed that too.

Arakadia6 votes

MM is not always right. Plus constantly boards posting doesn't mean you get what you want.

Tortunga4 votes

MM more wants morde to be broken, then balanced. He would attack anyone personally when they said morde kit was broken right after his release, when he still had that XP passive and one-hit Q stuff.

Sire Hippington3 votes

May biggest issue with new eve is her lack off mobillity, surviabillity and reliabillity. If you don't land the Q, which easily can be bodyblocked by a tank, your damage just doesn't exist, and her getting of the charm with the 2.5 sec warning and low mobillity hardly happens vs good opponents. And as you said, getting close at all is near impossible without protobelt.

I think her E should passively give some decent ms boost for damageing opponents, so landing her Q from invis helps you getting in for the E. I also think some of her Q 'mark' damage should be moved to the spikes so the difference between landing the initial skillshot or not isn't as massive if you can stick around for the spikes. I'd also love to see power from her ult beeing moved onto the E so she's not 100% reliant on the ult to kill someone. It also would allow to lower the cd on the ult and focus on it as survivabillity/mobillity tool(maybe let it instant trigger the passive).

And last, her stealth should work like twitch, which means it shouldn't be disabled by any damage taken. It also would be nice to lower the detection aoe later on. It feels just wrong for her to have a near twice as big radius than twitch while beeing melee with only poor gapcloseing.

ModWulf Helhammer2 votes

Well, I would expect that you wouldn't really use AD runes on her.

Would you consider that her gameplay in general is balanced, and that her problems mostly fall on number issues?

FELIXtheFROG7 votes

I wouldn't say she's balanced, I would say she's underpowered as the Elo goes up. Even as a Diamond player, I have problem snowballing early game in low Elo. If it was Elise or Nidalee, games would be ALOT easiest. So I don't think she's balanced at all.

ModWulf Helhammer3 votes

I mean in your post, your main hangups are how low her E range is and how ult reliant she is given the high cooldown, and those are number issues.

If they gave her higher bases, or other such smaller changes like that, would that bring her back up?

Basically what I'm trying to determine is whether you consider this rework a success in terms of gameplay, because that's the important part. If she just isn't strong enough, that's something that's easily fixed with some tuning, but if it's something wrong in gameplay, that would mean the rework didn't do its purpose.

FELIXtheFROG6 votes

Eve having 43% winrate average everyday, which is almost the least winrate for a champion next to Ryze, there's obviously something wrong with the rework. Tuning the stats such as having E to scale on AP** for damage** instead of HP percentage damage, would help with the assassination A LOT. The rework is heading the right directions, but needs certain changes. I can see where Riot is trying to aim for, they don't want to overpower her E Scale, so they use HP percentage instead of total AP damage. Having HP percentage damage only, isn't really assassinating, it's most useful for crushing tanks down. They might as well make Eve into a Bruiser focused AP jungle.

ModWulf Helhammer5 votes

So again, your only hangups are number issues? All you are doing is just saying such and such scaling isn't good for her job or whatever, and not really answering what I'm asking.

If they are number issues, that's fine. Most new champions/reworks have those. But if it's something inherently wrong with her gameplay (think how old Azir had problems in that he could do anything he needed to, and so Riot kneecapped his numbers until his recent mini rework), then that means the rework failed.

Reworks are never intended to make a champion balanced from the get-go. They are intended to provided a platform to more easilly balance them in the future. If they manage to do that, the rework is a success, even if the champion currently has the worst win rate.

FELIXtheFROG6 votes

Rework is a failed at this point, they will need to change her up rather than just boosting her Q and E damage by 10 magic damage. I don't see her ever being successful until they find something new to change her. I can see her as a Tank now because of her base damage focusing against tanks or guaranteed percentage hp damage.

JarPoop IV8 votes

I think you are missing the point fluffy is trying to make. Kit design wise interms of interactions and gameplay, how does the champion play? Instead of things like scalings, damage, range and literally numbers. Think more concept wise. Like e not being on click or something

Flawless Fetus1 votes

If it helps at all, one of the rioters said the rework geared her more towards that of a diver than an assassin. I know we all want eve to be an assassin, but is there a chance that diver is a better option? Only asking bc a rioter stated something along those lines before her release.

DynamiteGazelle2 votes

Riot pretty clearly stated she is an assassin and not a diver now

Tormentula6 votes

Rengar

[sg-miss-fortune]

Lets just assume any assassin riot touches is no longer an assassin.

Tormentula10 votes

IMO its wrong in gameplay.

Just like marksmen jungler hasn't been all that balancable Kindred, mid powerspike AP jungler isn't that easy to make work.

An assassin by nature falls off late game when players begin to group, so Evelynn falls off late game.

Mid game Evelynn is a powerhouse, but mid game is usually determined by the early game, as if you're behind early then mid game is hell, but if you're ahead mid game is like your late game except targets are usually more isolated clearing waves rather then turtling or teamfighting.

Early game is where this ruins Evelynn. Early game, eve is flat out shit, no other way to put it.. everything you do early is infinitely more reliable with Elise, Nidalee, hell throw in Ekko, Gragas, and Warwick for early AP junglers too. So most of the time, mid game won't roll as smoothly.

  • Bad Early
  • Good Mid
  • Bad Late

Why would you pick Evelynn when the early usually manipulates the game the hardest (and she can't keep up with the early presence crowd of Lee, Sej, WW, Elise, Mao, J4, Grag, etc that can put in more work then her early), and when the possibly of a comeback being the late game you fall off entirely and can't do anything making the game practically a 4v5? At least the other stuff is adaptable (maybe not nid, but nid is strong early to make up for it) or have utility to transition to a strong late game.

She's basically Diana Akali syndrome, and those have quite the history of being either too overwhelming or left in an unplayable state for long periods of time, but their benefits are that they're at least laners so they don't have the pressure of "is my opponent being more present then me?" such as Eve, who as a jungler has to worry about invade+ganking+counterganks+objectives. Jungle Diana would be an example of new eve, ask why nobody plays jungle Diana and there's your answer for why new Eve isn't as significant in the meta either.

Old Eve however, was present early and could snowball, had a decent duelist mid game so she could catch picks (usually she'd snowball or have powerspike items by now for a decent mid game) and late game she could transition to a tankier build thanks to her ultimate shield, so she could be a nuisane in teamfights being hard to kill. She lacks all of that now.

FELIXtheFROG6 votes

I agree with this point.

My Waifu Vanilla2 votes

I wouldn't necessarily say fixing E's range a straight number issue. Making the E a legitimate gapcloser would change gameplay much more than "+30 damage at rank 5 to an ability". Eve's empowered E works a LOT like WW Q in that it helps stick to targets and follows dashes. WW Q isn't a useless "gapcloser" though because he has the tools to actually initially get in range to Q them (R or simply being fast af boi with W). Eve is never going to get in range to E unless she A) has flash up B) is behind them and they walk into you, but there is USUALLY a tower or something preventing that or C) they get charmed by Q which is super easy to dodge.

Eve needs utility added to her kit or she is going to be worse k6/elise/nidalee/lee/etc. because she has too much counterplay and very little outplay potential. She needs a bigger E range, movement speed while stealthed, movement speed towards W, or being actually invisible to whoever she W's or something. She doesn't have the tools to actually do anything and even in the games I was fed I either needed to ult INTO the fight or flash to actually get anything done because the second the enemy team starts grouping your team is playing 4v5 since Eve can't kill carries when they are grouped with a support and potentially 2 tanks while you are playing a mediocre "assassin" In a tank heavy position (better hope you have Galio mid to make up for you not playing Sej/Mao).

Rebonack11 votes

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I wouldn't say she's balanced, I would say she's underpowered as the Elo goes up. Even as a Diamond player, I have problem snowballing early game in low Elo. If it was Elise or Nidalee, games would be ALOT easiest. So I don't think she's balanced at all.

I feel like the question Riot really needs to answer is why you would want to ever pick Eve over Elise at this point.

Eve ostensibly has higher late game burst, but Elise has a MUCH better early presence and her combo is more accessible at all stages of the game. The logic of a 'late game Jungle AP Assassin' just absolutely boggles me. That combination of things just doesn't fit well together.

I think what baffles me most about Eve is her terrible target access. Old Eve (and OLD Eve for that matter) both had much better target access than current Eve due to their speed boost and invisibility, respectively. But they didn't have much in the way of a focus break (Dark Frenzy, sort of). The new Eve has a REALLY powerful focus-break, but her target access is about on par with Udyr. I just can't fathom how anyone thought an Assassin with terrible target access would work out.

FELIXtheFROG7 votes

You are correct my friend, thus reason Protobelt is almost a MUST HAVE on every game.

Winterwings1 votes

Have you ever considered going for item 3146 instead of item 3152 ?

Yes, I know... its 900 gold more expensive but i'd say ITS WORTH IT as it's far more reliable at setting up W charm than item 3152(A mini dash won't matter much since the target will still keep running away from you but a unavoidable instant slow for 40% for 2 s with burst damage on top of it...? Oh boy) on top of having higher Base damage + %AP burst (single target tho but... you're a assassin aren't you?) and that omnivamp passive that works really well considering how spammy her Q is...

Try it out... just a suggestion from a actual Diamond player (Dia 5 trash but ... still) with a "Eve Only Smurf"... http://eune.op.gg/summoner/userName=Happy+Succubus

(Yes i know, its only a level 8 account and i dont play too seriously there as grinding out normal blind pick games for ranked is quite a pain in the a$$, so take it with a grain of salt... or maybe more than just a grain lul)

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When is ANYONE at riot going to address the awful new player experience?
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