Why Pantheon is Sleeper OP

Project Arkham··9 votes·6,851 views

I don't understand why no one is playing Pantheon right now. In the current meta, this dude is hilariously sleeper OP. Keep in mind this is for people that play Panth like the fucking Assassin that he is. None of this pussy tank shit. Here are a few reasons why you should stop doing what you are doing and start picking Pantheon, RIGHT NOW!

  1. Early game dominance is very important right now. Most of these games don't even last long enough for you to /surrender. Pantheon is the king of early game!

  2. AD and CDR is more plentiful then ever. Oh, what's that? Pantheon is a mother fucking AD caster!?

  3. He can go BOTH top or mid! On top of that he counters the popular AD mid picks (Zed, Yasuo, etc) .

  4. With much easier access to CDR, Pantheon can be mother fuckin everywhere! You can take tele for even more presence or can take ignite because, fuck it, you already have a 1 minute teleport!

  5. They added items that give SPELL VAMP to AD!!! This makes him a even stronger duelist!!

  6. Farsight stone has made is even EASIER to catch people with your ult in jungle.

  7. He's the kind of guy you can take a long sword and 3 health pots and not have to b for quite some time. His mana costs are relatively low.

  8. He's a tower diving bad ass! A good Panth, with proper shield use, can block up to THREE turret shots!!

  9. The current Ferocity and Cunning masteries are GODLY on Pantheon. 5% more damage on enemies below 40% health? On top of me getting free crits for all people that are at %25?

  10. IT'S RAINING MOTHA FUCKIN MEN IN DIS BITCH

44 Comments

TeemoJenkins5 votes

He is great early game, always has been. He falls off like a truck late game... and is pretty much useless compared to a Jax or Trynd...

Project Arkham3 votes

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He is great early game, always has been. He falls off like a truck late game... and is pretty much useless compared to a Jax or Trynd...

Late game doesn't really exist anymore, though. How many games have you had these days that seriously last 25+ minutes? Personally, they are becoming less and less.

Meep Man1 votes

Almost all of my games!

DreamCrushed1 votes

It's not so much that a game doesn't last longer than 25, more like you will NEVER find a game over 45. So average is shorter because all the long games now are about 35-40 minutes as opposed to 50-60. Still agreed though, shorter games in general. That's why i go Shyvana. Better early than Pantheon :P

AL0002 votes

CC him and find his dead body on the ground...

btw... terrible bad mana...

ARequestOfDeath1 votes

Pantheon oh rlly item 3004 item 3071 item 1321 item 3053 item 3110 item 3742

AL0001 votes

tear? fh?

thats work but not common in high elo...

you would want high ad early and snowball hard... pantheon is more like assassin without sheath... he is good as mid or jungle... imho...

ARequestOfDeath1 votes

that isnt my usual build for him but i was trying to make a build which counters your points

item 3071 item 3031 item 3036 item 3812 item 3748 item 3139

Korillo2 votes

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His mana costs are relatively low.

wut

Although I do agree, Panth is strong.

The Bíg Ticket1 votes

When has Pantheon ever been a good duelist? He loses all ins to basically any champ, the only way he wins is by throwing spears at you constantly and then you enter the fight with 10% hp.

Project Arkham5 votes

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When has Pantheon ever been a good duelist? He loses all ins to basically any champ, the only way he wins is by throwing spears at you constantly and then you enter the fight with 10% hp.

Why would you all in with Pantheon before you chucked enough spears at the enemy until you can win? Also his E can be used to poke as well. Most people don't even see it coming and tend to just walk right into it.

He also has a shield that blocks autos, which help him win exchanges vs any auto reliant champ.

Panth is a assassin, you don't all in until you get them low enough with your poke to where you know you will win. Just like every other assassin (Zed, Yasuo, Talon, etc....)

luckmallory1 votes

lol wut....

Zed talon and yasuo do not need to poke you down to kill you. Their raw burst post 6 is enough to kill any squishy. Pantheon does not have that. Post 6, pantheon isn't 100-0ing anyone. Build like an assassin and get raped in fights.

Yasuo has infinite dashes

Zed has two different blinks

Talon has invisibility

Pantheon has nothing. Build assassin, get raped before you get your damage off.

Project Arkham5 votes

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lol wut....

Zed talon and yasuo do not need to poke you down to kill you. Their raw burst post 6 is enough to kill any squishy. Pantheon does not have that. Post 6, pantheon isn't 100-0ing anyone. Build like an assassin and get raped in fights.

Yasuo has infinite dashes

Zed has two different blinks

Talon has invisibility

Pantheon has nothing. Build assassin, get raped before you get your damage off.

I'm sorry what does invisibility, dashes and blinks gotta do with your damage? Fuck all, that's what.

The only champ that can just seriously potentially 100-0 you without poking you down at all probably Leblanc. If any of the above champs are doing that to you then you must of just afk'ed at fountain all game.

How is Yasuo going to burst you down that easily? Outside of his ult, he only has one move that does any real damage. Just avoid his pokes.

Zed can't 100-0 you either, he has to poke you down with his Q. A Zed just deciding to ult and kill you won't work unless he was already stupid fed to begin with.

Talon is the same situation. He can't just 100-0 you unless he was already winning. All of these champs HAVE to poke first.

There is no such thing as a champ who has not been fed at all that can 100-0 a person with 0 pokes. It just doesn't exist, so lets stop pretending that it's out there.

Panth has a poke that, CAN'T be avoided, outside of sitting in the back and denying yourself CS. Panth can also block THREE WHOLE AUTOS before taking any damage at all and is GURANTEED crits when the enemy is low.

Panth's early burst and lane dominance is very real and anyone who underestimates it is a fool.

FioraWillCarry2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Project Arkham,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=O4gLAiqP,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2015-12-14T18:41:49.443+0000) The only champ that can just seriously potentially 100-0 you without poking you down at all probably Leblanc. If any of the above champs are doing that to you then you must of just afk'ed at fountain all game.

Irelia + item 3057 says hello....

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

I can't lie I was seriously beliving the statement then I remember how irelia can go 0-6 and still 100-0 someone as soon as the sheen/triforce are built lolololololol

The Bíg Ticket1 votes

I know how to play him....you just said he is a good duelist and now even stronger at dueling to which I replied he has never been a good duelist.

legionnaire991 votes

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When has Pantheon ever been a good duelist? He loses all ins to basically any champ, the only way he wins is by throwing spears at you constantly and then you enter the fight with 10% hp.

you know there isn't a champ that better dulist them him mid game right?

The Bíg Ticket1 votes

Rofl what? I can name you 50 champs that beat him with 2 items and atleast 20 that beat him with 1 item only.

Project Arkham1 votes

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Rofl what? I can name you 50 champs that beat him with 2 items and atleast 20 that beat him with 1 item only.

Go for it.

The Bíg Ticket1 votes

From the top of my head: Jax, Tryndamere, Fiora, Trundle, Garen, Udyr, Aatrox, Irelia, Mundo, Shyvana, Master Yi, Darius, Volibear, Xin Zhao, Warwick, Kayle, Cho Gath, Malphite, Olaf, Nasus, Ryze, Malzahar, Swain, Vi, Elise if she lands her stun....that's 25, you want more?

Project Arkham1 votes

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From the top of my head: Jax, Tryndamere, Fiora, Trundle, Garen, Udyr, Aatrox, Irelia, Mundo, Shyvana, Master Yi, Darius, Volibear, Xin Zhao, Warwick, Kayle, Cho Gath, Malphite, Olaf, Nasus, Ryze, Malzahar, Swain, Vi, Elise if she lands her stun....that's 25, you want more?

ROFL! Most of the champs you named don't even have an answer to Panth poke. Seriously, Udyr!? You think Udyr can out lane pantheon!? The dude has no poke at all and pantheon can block autos....I've even killed Udyr's attempting to gank me when I'm not even full and still come out on top.

Panth specializes in wrecking auto attack dependant champs. What the hell is a yi going to do? You can't Alpha ALL of his spears, the CD isn't nearly short enough. A good Panth can block 3 autos back to back, easy! Hell, I'm pretty sure Panth shield even blocks Garen silence.

The only people on this list that would stand a chance, assuming both opponets are equally skilled are, Ryze, Malz, Cho, Swain, Malph, Mundo and Kayle. Maybe Nasus if he gets out of hand. I've fought all of these champs as Pantheon before though and I usually come out on top.

Everyone else on that list will have to play defensive and hope for a jg gank or for the panth to do something stupid.

The Bíg Ticket1 votes

This guy talked about "mid game duelist"...not "laning". Are you even comprehending the posts you reply to or do you not know the difference between laning and dueling? Of course he is gonna beat most of those champs in a lane, he is extremely strong in lane, but he will lose duels to all of those I mentioned.

Project Arkham1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Buff Jax please,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=O4gLAiqP,comment-id=0000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-12-15T21:44:44.793+0000)

This guy talked about "mid game duelist"...not "laning". Are you even comprehending the posts you reply to or do you not know the difference between laning and dueling? Of course he is gonna beat most of those champs in a lane, he is extremely strong in lane, but he will lose duels to all of those I mentioned.

You straight up said that you can name champs that would BEAT him. You didn't say anything about dueling or laning, so if you wan't to be specific you need to be more clear. Also, what the hell is laning other then just one long ass duel?

It doesn't matter if you can beat me one vs one bro. It's a team game. The laning phase is the REAL duel. Who gives even the slightest of craps who can out duel who when you got 4 other people on your squad that can handle anyone you are having trouble with?

The Bíg Ticket1 votes

Uhmm...please? He said there is no better mid game duelist than Pantheon to which I replied I can name him 50 champs that beat him with 2 items. No idea how you think I am talking about laning. Don't try to blame your lack or comprehending skills on me...I don't like people who do that.

Laning is not dueling, Nasus and Jax are bad laners but very good duelists. Pantheon is an exceptional laner but a bad duelist, same goes for Renekton. And when I am talking about having 2 items it is clear that is has nothing to do with laning anymore, so once again, read the posts you reply to and if you misunderstood something just admit it and don't make it look like I said something which I never did.

legionnaire991 votes

[{quoted}](name=Buff Jax please,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=O4gLAiqP,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2015-12-15T17:48:57.648+0000)

Rofl what? I can name you 50 champs that beat him with 2 items and atleast 20 that beat him with 1 item only.

name them broken champs atm is op like rageblade jaxs

l MinimumWage l1 votes

As a top lane panth main for 2 years, up until this new season where the waters are still in testing, I've learned to fight against any counter and have out dueled every top lane champ. The key is to know the champion you're up against and how to counter move their play style. Panth is extremely versatile and anyone who plays his blindly by just chucking spears and not knowing how to properly trade should play another thousand games with him before posting things like this. Just because you have faced easy ones doesn't mean you know the champ, he can be very easy to counter because he actually takes skill in raw timing to master in lane, rather than relying on 3 passives to stay alive and dish out free damage.

The Bíg Ticket1 votes

As I said before, I know that Pantheon is super strong in lane and that he can beat almost any champ there if played correctly. But if were are talking about a straight duel at 2 items he loses to most champs.

LaughingMan111 votes

I'd like to point out, that anything that isnt an AA, counts as an AA, or isnt an On hit effect skill, procs spell vamp, even if it does physical damage. So you could build, say gunblade for instance, and then hit some one with Panth Q, W, E, or R and you'd heal off of it.

Project Arkham1 votes

{quoted}

I'd like to point out, that anything that isnt an AA, counts as an AA, or isnt an On hit effect skill, procs spell vamp, even if it does physical damage. So you could build, say gunblade for instance, and then hit some one with Panth Q, W, E, or R and you'd heal off of it.

Or you could just not build worthless AP and get the new item that heals based off of damage dealt, which is entirely AD, offers CDR and makes you take damage in the form of a dot.

LaughingMan112 votes

Considering how both your Ult, and your W have a rather high AP scaling, i'd not call it worthless in the slightest. (AP Pantheon was a thing) But yes, there are better items that he can build. Though 12% of physical damage dealt is still less than the Life Steal and Spellvamp that Gunblade gives you.

Project Arkham1 votes

{quoted}

Considering how both your Ult, and your E have a rather high AP scaling, i'd not call it worthless in the slightest. (AP Pantheon was a thing) But yes, there are better items that he can build. Though 12% of physical damage dealt is still less than the Life Steal and Spellvamp that Gunblade gives you.

Pantheons E does not scale with AP at all. You're thinking of his W, his stun.

LaughingMan111 votes

Already fixed it bro. Lol

Anidan1 votes

All things considered, unless I just absolutely needed the CDR of Death's Dance, I'd probably buy Gunblade if sustain was what concerned me. 80 extra damage on your W never hurt you any, and an extra bit of damage/slow on a fairly short cooldown (by item terms) is pretty nice for him. I just don't feel that Death's Dance is all that great. It seems like one of those items that was fairly over-hyped before its release while it was on the PBE, before it made it to live.

MeatThrottle1 votes

Pantheon is good right now but there are better choices. All the things you just said can be applied to Yi, Trynd, Jax, Shyvana, and a few others. That's why you don't see him.

Merxamers1 votes

Interesting - i've played him in the jungle quite a bit, though not so much in this preseason. What items do you recommend for his laning? I assume you build item 3812

l MinimumWage l1 votes

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Gonna start by saying I'm a plat 5 panth top main. Been playing at him top lane for a couple of years now. Assassin is the only way to build him, relying on good positioning to keep out of danger. Glass canon is the only way for him to not fall off in damage unfortunately. His kit isn't one to boast about survival, don't know why people bother tanking with him.

I don't understand why no one is playing Pantheon right now. In the current meta, this dude is hilariously sleeper OP. Keep in mind this is for people that play Panth like the fucking Assassin that he is. None of this pussy tank shit. Here are a few reasons why you should stop doing what you are doing and start picking Pantheon, RIGHT NOW!

His mana costs aren't low. 45 mana on a low damage spammable Q is bloody expensive. His E level 1 does less damage than an AA. Compared to other champions that have a lot of free damage in their kit for a fraction of the resource cost, pantheon is difficult to mana sustain top lane.

People seem to be under the impression that his spears destroy people in lane and that he can dominate people, which is true. But by the time a pantheon gets his opponent low from spear shots alone, he would have needed a couple of mana pots and would still be oom. Compare that to riven with similar cooldowns, more base and scaling damage, ad scaling shield dash for survival, ad scaling stun because rito, and resourceless. Pantheon isn't a very attractive pick.

  1. Early game dominance is very important right now. Most of these games don't even last long enough for you to /surrender. Pantheon is the king of early game!

That he is, but a very mana hungry champion. The removal of crystalline and mana pots but panth (and even talon) in a rough spot. They don't have the kill potential of other Assassins because of their lack of damage, scaling, and heavy resource costs.

  1. AD and CDR is more plentiful then ever. Oh, what's that? Pantheon is a mother fucking AD caster!?

There's less access to CDR early game without fully building items. Brutalizer is gone, forcing you between either CDR or armor pen as a first choice ad item, 5% CDR mastery is all the way down cunning (not a problem for people with that tree), and cooldown boots are down to 10%. Takes more items to reach max cooldown than it did before.

  1. He can go BOTH top or mid! On top of that he counters the popular AD mid picks (Zed, Yasuo, etc) .

  2. With much easier access to CDR, Pantheon can be mother fuckin everywhere! You can take tele for even more presence or can take ignite because, fuck it, you already have a 1 minute teleport!

His ult is over 120 seconds at level one with cooldown items. Investing too hard in cooldown early game will see your damage fall of for mid game.

  1. They added items that give SPELL VAMP to AD!!! This makes him a even stronger duelist!!

If only his abilities were bugged (or intentional) like Akali where he could burst heal a chunk of his health with one aoe ability. I tried this on a full damage build, spear shot didn't even heal 50 hp on a 400+ AD build. Compare to Akali who heals more than that at low level with 1 item using a single aoe ability (33%effectiveness for everyone but her).

Unfortunately that item isn't anything to keep panth alive with.

  1. Farsight stone has made is even EASIER to catch people with your ult in jungle.

  2. He's the kind of guy you can take a long sword and 3 health pots and not have to b for quite some time. His mana costs are relatively low.

The long sword start necessitated mana potions to sustain his pokes. No mana pots = blow mana on under scaled abilities.

  1. He's a tower diving bad ass! A good Panth, with proper shield use, can block up to THREE turret shots!!

  2. The current Ferocity and Cunning masteries are GODLY on Pantheon. 5% more damage on enemies below 40% health? On top of me getting free crits for all people that are at %25?

It's 15%, and by that point your next attack is going to kill them regardless. A complete waste of a passive considering other Assassins have passive shields, passive scaling AD, and double crit. And the 5% damage was always in the offensive tree in the old mastery, I don't see the big deal about it now.

  1. IT'S RAINING MOTHA FUCKIN MEN IN DIS BITCH
Ch0c0lateJesus1 votes

He's strong for the same reasons a lot of mid-game snowball champs are strong. The game ends before he falls off.

Assasin Panth gets a ton of kills, but if the game goes late, he falls off very hard. Same with any fighter built with full damage.

Ralanr1 votes

He's actually pretty mana hungry and corrupting potion kinda sucks.

Course I always bought 1 flask, 1 health potion, and 2 mana potions when I mained him.

BadmoonBC1 votes

So pantheon has always been one of my fav champs. I'm actually 100% win rate in ranked on him because I usually just pick pantheon top when I am forced to play top vs a nassus and make nassus life a living hell. However I think what hurt pantheon this offseason the deletion of crystalline flask. No longer can we start crystalline/4pots. Which really sucks man. This guy is right though, screw playing pantheon tank. If you end up snowballing slightly you go all out ad on my man panth

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

9b) He can proc Thunderlord's Decree very easily using either his E (you only need three instances of damage from this ability to proc it) or a basic combo (Q-W-AA).

Project Arkham1 votes

The key to preventing mana issues on Panth is to be aggressive but smart. You need to punish everytime they step in to cs. Whenever you have a shield up go ahead and hit them with an auto instead of a q, since if they auto back you will win the exchange. On Panth you should be aiming to get a kill before level 5, which makes it cool for you to b and restore mana.

Just as a little tip on Panths combo. I usually see people doing W > Q > E. The trupe combo is Q > W > auto > E > Q.

Also, I tend to take teleport. This is great because it makes it ok to take that early b without really sacraficing much since you still have another teleport via ult.

Theorchero1 votes

Annoying in lane, mana sustain nerfed, falls off hard, doesn't scale.

Dirty Roleplayer1 votes

No ty. Pantheon has boring kit and falls off late so hard. There is nothing interesting in that champion except perfectly calculated man drops.

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