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Rediculous Ranking System

EccoStorm··2 votes·578 views

I've been playing this game for awhile now and Ive found its ridiculously hard to rank up your character especially form the basement of bronze. It always seems like your playing with 1 arm tied around your back... its no fun... a few things:

  1. Players use bronze to "try out" new characters and end up 'deep sixing' the team, because they have no idea how to play them. These players are also people without any consideration or honour... they dont care that they're making other peoples games frustrating or other peoples ranking up impossible. MAKE ENTERING RANKED AN HONOUR and something to strive for and have to prove yourself to get there... just getting ranked 30 is not enough as it is most apparent for anyone to see... too many ways to 'not care'.

    possible fix: DO NOT allow players to enter ranked and play characters unless they have first played them in random NON RANKED for a number of plays, id suggest probably a few dozen times at least.... id be more likely to say 50 times... but something has to be done. YOUR DRAGGING DOWN PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY PROFICIENT AND ARE TRYING... and rewarding people who should be SHUNNED for the LACK OF CARE they give to people who want to try... again.. NO RESPECT OR HONOUR.

  2. Why am I getting paired with people who suck.... like bad???? .... Is the Letter grade system at the end of the match doing actually anything???? I'm constantly getting B+ to S even when loosing, and getting paired with terrible players still?

    possible fix: Make the letter grade actually work in the players favor... dont make it so balanced.... place players with better letter grades together so they can rise in the rankings. Make doing well and getting a good letter grade MEAN SOMETHING! Incorporate its meaning into the ranking more. Let the letter grade balance over say... 25 games or so... not too much but not too little as giving the player incentive to keep that average grade high and the ability to fall and get paired accordingly. Lower ranked players will still have the chance to do well because the majority of the time they will be paired against similar (letter) ranked opponents.

  3. Its understandable when people dont know the nuances of the game..... even in ranked there's a lot to take in to be good. BUT WHEN PEOPLE ARE SABOTAGING and FEEDING and its blatant... like every-time they re-spawn they are RUNNING INTO THE ENEMY TEAM AND DYING there should be NO MERCY for them... 30 day ban and then ramp up harsher sentence... 6 months.... year.... etc. GET THESE PEOPLE OUTTA HERE** (BACK TO NORMAL). **THEY DON'T CONTRIBUTE TO ANYTHING GOOD. THEY DON'T CARE. NO HONOUR! This goes back to my first point in not allowing players into ranked until they prove that they can wield the character, at least at the weakest proficiency. Make being able to play ranked a fun mission.... like getting free runes for instance for 10 wins in random or what not. Some incentive anyway.

I'm sure a lot of you have similar concerns and disappointments in how ranked is currently set up. Hey Riot you've done a good job so far... lets just tailor this thing up so people can rise and play with people of their caliber instead of the nonsense that seems to be continuing and frustrating a lot of people. Especially in the lower rank goo-lag.

Thanks for Listening,

Ecco

29 Comments

Entiwin2 votes

HA, i was just about to post something like this. I have played since S1 and I agree with everything you have said. Honestly, it feels like the dev's dont care anymore. they just see us as whining babies or something. Literally use to love how close games were. I LOVED the CLOSE SKILL LEVEL and CHALLENGE you get when you're playing such a intense fair game. But this RITO. This is NOT THE LEAGUE I USE TO PLAY. I CANNOT SUPPORT you guys anymore. YOU are losing your veterans players and you guys dont bat an eye for it. So, im just going to be playing Path of Exiles

Entiwin2 votes

You're not getting a single dime from me, and I will no longer recommend this game to my closest friends. Thanks Riot.

GankedByWindows2 votes

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I've been playing this game for awhile now and Ive found its ridiculously hard to rank up your character especially form the basement of bronze. It always seems like your playing with 1 arm tied around your back... its no fun... a few things:

  1. Players use bronze to "try out" new characters and end up 'deep sixing' the team, because they have no idea how to play them. These players are also people without any consideration or honour... they dont care that they're making other peoples games frustrating or other peoples ranking up impossible. MAKE ENTERING RANKED AN HONOUR and something to strive for and have to prove yourself to get there... just getting ranked 30 is not enough as it is most apparent of anyone to see... too many ways to 'not care'.

This happens in every league unfortunately.

  1. Why am I getting paired with people who suck.... like bad???? .... Is the Letter grade system at the end of the match doing actually anything???? I'm constantly getting B+ to S even when loosing, and getting paired with terrible players still?

You're in bronze. Everyone in bronze is bad. It is literally the worst tier. Keep in mind that also means the enemy sucks too.

  1. Its understandable when people dont know the nuances of the game..... even in ranked there's a lot to take in to be good. BUT WHEN PEOPLE ARE SABOTAGING and FEEDING and its blatant... like every-time they re-spawn they are RUNNING INTO THE ENEMY TEAM AND DYING there should be NO MERCY for them... 30 day ban and then ramp up harsher sentence... 6 months.... year.... etc. GET THESE PEOPLE OUTTA HERE. THEY DON'T CONTRIBUTE TO ANYTHING GOOD. THEY DON'T CARE. NO HONOUR! This goes back to my first point in not allowing players into ranked until they prove that they can wield the character, at least at the weakest proficiency. Make being able to play ranked a fun mission.... like getting free runes for instance for 10 wins in random or what not. Some incentive anyway.

The incentive is a higher rank. A lot of times people see someone go 2/9 and say they're inting when they're just getting outclassed. Unless they have mobi boots only and are running it down, they're not inting.

I'm sure a lot of you have similar concerns and disappointments in how ranked is currently set up. Hey Riot you've done a good job so far... lets just tailor this thing up so people can rise and play with people of their caliber instead of the nonsense that seems to be continuing and frustrating a lot of people. Especially in the lower rank goo-lag.

Chances are, you are with people of your caliber. for one reason or another, you're in bronze for a reason. I can go onto a silver/bronze smurf and get out quickly. Focus on improvement and not winning. You'll see your rank jump.

Entiwin2 votes

id like to see you stream it from bronze to gold.

EccoStorm1 votes

Im kinda willing to bet if its to be done, characters like yi and the like would be involved.... kat....yas...etc ..... lets see a mid to gold or support to gold...solo duo. Flex with a team thats good... its definatley possible.... the problem is with solo duo. Ive even had it where ive duoed with another only to have the top wreck the entire game even though everyone else played fine with positive +/- ... 1 guy with no clue feeding and your deep sixed.

GankedByWindows1 votes

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Im kinda willing to bet if its to be done, characters like yi and the like would be involved.... kat....yas...etc ..... lets see a mid to gold or support to gold...solo duo. Flex with a team thats good... its definatley possible.... the problem is with solo duo. Ive even had it where ive duoed with another only to have the top wreck the entire game even though everyone else played fine with positive +/- ... 1 guy with no clue feeding and your deep sixed.

I did it in flex this season from silver to plat with adc, playing Ashe/sivir/Jhin. I only played with my friends, but if you look at them they're all silver in solo with one in gold (who was silver last season and is only hitting gold this season).

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id like to see you stream it from bronze to gold.

There already is a LOT of people who have done it with VODs on Twitch/Youtube. Me doing it is redundant. Just search for bronze to diamond or bronze to masters and you should get results.

EccoStorm1 votes

I hate to call silly to your whole argument but yea..... FLEX 5 players that you know..... OF COURSE ... you can do it that way..... we're talkin solo duo..... flex with players you know... WHOLE DIFFERENT BALL GAME. Why are you stickin up for the system.... saying i need to try harder.... then saying oh ... By the way... i did it in flex........................................

Then go-on to talk about twitch... like talking around the whole premise of what i was getting at.

It also depends on where you were placed after the initial games for placement...... I jsut had another game where 3 players ... 3 PLAYERS were basically 1 and 10...... and you jsut die along with them theyre so bad..... YOU CANT RECOVER FROM THAT.

GankedByWindows1 votes

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I hate to call silly to your whole argument but yea..... FLEX 5 players that you know..... OF COURSE ... you can do it that way..... we're talkin solo duo..... flex with players you know... WHOLE DIFFERENT BALL GAME. Why are you stickin up for the system.... saying i need to try harder.... then saying oh ... By the way... i did it in flex........................................

I brought up flex because their rank is LOWER than the rank I achieved with them. Every single game they were outclassed and would lose their lanes because it was placing gold players against them (silvers).

if you look under the same system I went from silver to gold in my first season playing, then went from gold to diamond. You can do it too.

Then go-on to talk about twitch... like talking around the whole premise of what i was getting at.

I was moreso responding to Entiwan saying he wants to see me stream it, and I told him (and you) that me also doing it is redundant. It has been proven time and time again that good players end up at their same rank, and the video proof is out there.

It also depends on where you were placed after the initial games for placement...... I jsut had another game where 3 players ... 3 PLAYERS were basically 1 and 10...... and you jsut die along with them theyre so bad..... YOU CANT RECOVER FROM THAT.

Dying along with them is your mistake. games where three people go 1/10 are very, very small amount of your total games.

EccoStorm1 votes

LOL no, dying with 1 and 10s are alot of the games... sorry you are in another bubble. My mistake... lol ... ridiculous premise.

Again you dont rise in rank without being a character that can really do damage or one on the team that can... if half your team is inept... its over.... then what calculates who was actually doing good? nope.. nothing... your lumped into those players that are the worst and your rank drops... whats the point of having characters if you can only rank up with certain ones in solo duo?

If your inital placement is bronze this is what you deal with. You shouldnt need to play only certain positions and characters to rank.... YOUR PLAY should dictate how you rank alot more than it does.

GankedByWindows1 votes

Your play level does dictate your rank. The number one player in NA is a support main that plays Bard/Thresh. Not exactly high damage champions.

EccoStorm1 votes

That's fine and dandy for the pro of pros, after your that high you dont have 1 and 10s after level 6. However, it still doesn't address the gulag of bronze and how something needs to be fixed there. Your comparing apples to oranges.... pro competition is much different than the problems here in b5... my first post addresses this....

-people who dont know how to play characters..... people who feed.... multiple 1 and 10's... etc etc... you dont have that problem in pro ranking... in pro, people win or loose on twitch speed and decision making. Even the worst pro is good. Try to follow here.

GankedByWindows1 votes

I've gone from silver 5 to diamond multiple times in solo queue. What about me? Why am I able to consistently do it when you're saying the system is bad? Especially since if you're not a person who goes 1/10 every game, the enemy team has 5 possible people that can feed and your team only has 4.

EccoStorm1 votes

No what im saying is you can only do it with certain characters and only if things work out... your letter grades should count... something more should count... why am i getting paired with absolute failures ... and if im not a carry... get punished for it? my + - and play should count for alot more. I shouldnt have to be a carry to advance. You dont need awesome players jsut people who respect + - etc to be on your team... those who dont should not be playing with you.

GankedByWindows1 votes

They don't consider your statistics is because they're easy to game, and very, very difficult to get even a reasonable system, let alone a good one. In addition to players trying to game it, consider that the game also changes drastically and relatively quickly. For example, lets say that you set certain thresholds for cs/minute as part of the metric to decide how "well" you played. Then the meta shifts to a early game teamfight/5v5 meta. Now everyone will get less cs overall, and the system will penalize EVERYONE for playing optimally just because they're not actively trying to game the system.

The system we have currently isn't perfect by any means, but it is the best one out there.

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

Look up any number of high ELO streamers/content creators on YouTube or Twitch, they do unranked to diamond(or other high elo ranks) like all the time.

Entiwin2 votes

Those are pro players. That's a different story. Thats like asking a pro football player to play with high schoolers/middles schoolers.

it doesnt really mean anything other than the pro player is really good and knows how to abuse it. I am not a pro player. Thats why I am in a low elo. I want games to be fair, If i am silver i want to play against true silvers. but it doesnt feel that way because the players play worse than silver players. they play as if they are doing normals as bronze players.

EccoStorm1 votes

Fair games is all I ask... just had another game 2 people just up and decided not to play, while me and another guy ownd bot... wtf

EccoStorm1 votes

Shoot to Thrill <

When 2 people on a team and 1 and 10 lets say.... your not necessarily a character who can make up 25 kills.... you just arnt... neither is your position meant to... your doomed from the start.... what your saying doesn't make sense in that regard. Focus on what... being better so how is that going to make up for 2 players 1 and 10..... it isn't. Or is what your saying is... be players that can rack up kills? Uh a balanced team only has so many of them in certain positions. What fun is there ranking up when i have to be certain players or positions to rank up? Its not a good system.

GankedByWindows1 votes

There are some games that are straight up unwinnable. But those games are the very small minority. That is why I said focus on improving, not winning. Kills is not the same as carrying. Getting a high amount of kills is meaningless alone. Creating pressure, map control, vision control, and objective control is. Kills can allow you to do those things much easier, but if you get kills and don't convert those kills into any of those, they're worthless.

EccoStorm1 votes

A good win ratio is usually 8/10 times what is needed to win a game... bad ratios dont cut the mustard unless you have a supercarry. Some games are straight up unwinnable... yea... but they shouldnt be so lop sided .... if your dealing with people who are +/- always in the red... they dont even understand map control let alone even staying alive for a team fight....your play INDIVIDUALLY from the game outcome should dictate your placement to a higher degree... that way your recognized for how you played in the game and not nessesarily the outcome so much.... how often can you control when your just paired up bad....?

Maybe if you play good you dont loose as many points so your ranking slide doesnt drop as fast if you play good...... there has to be a better answer then whats going on now.

Calabok2 votes

"ridiculous"

ReySolomon2 votes

Let's wait for season 8 and see if they change it.

EccoStorm1 votes

Yea one can hope

hi ìm groot1 votes

There's people in bronze 5 who are trying? 0.0

EccoStorm1 votes

Yea.. more like trying to swim in a tar lake .... lol

EccoStorm1 votes

Like I said it would be way more fair if they did matching with +/- scores and letter grades... or pairing people with better letter grade records together... because they EARNED IT. Not this crud.. only seems to work if you can 'wreck havoc' with players that can wrack up massive kills. 25 / 3 and even then you better hope that you don't get a few 1 and 10's, cause that might not even guarantee you.

EccoStorm1 votes

When you loose because someone on your team isn't skilled , its different then loosing to someone who doesn't know how to play, or to someone who jsut wants to troll.

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