Matchmaking

redhineymonkey1·Feb 27, 2017·1 votes·656 views

I've lost 16 of my last 20 games, and the last game the kills were 6-27 and I was apart of 3 of them. I had 4 deaths. Why do I get stuck with the teammates I get stuck with. The matchmaking is completely shit.

14 Comments

MoetaroFeb 27, 20171 votes

4 * 5 = 20

6-20 still a stomp.

Yes, I've thought the same way you do now a lot of times. Now I multiply the number of times I die by 5, and surprisingly, it's often closer that I would like to the outcome of the game that tilted me. It helps me to keep more or less objective about my lost games, and help me not to tilt very much.

ÅeolusFeb 27, 20171 votes

It's honestly your fault and you don't seem to realize why. First of all, let me just tell you regardless of how badly your team is performing you should NEVER focus on their mistakes, only yours. If you perform consistently well you will climb.

You are playing extremely complicated champions and doing bad with them, causing your adc and yourself to be behind. It's quite hard to win a game where two members of the enemy team are fed. If you want to climb stop playing champions like Bard and Thresh (Plats can't play those champions well either) and stick to easy op support champions like Brand, Zyra, and Soraka.

To sum this all up, you are basically feeding and becoming utterly useless every game because you are behind with a champion that you can't even play decently and putting your adc behind as well because of it. Some games are unwinnable but statistically if you do well every game you will increase your rank (that'a how everyone climbs). Also, If you feed in 60% of your games you shouldn't be complaining.

Critmaster GarenFeb 27, 20171 votes

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It's honestly your fault and you don't seem to realize why. First of all, let me just tell you regardless of how badly your team is performing you should NEVER focus on their mistakes, only yours. If you perform consistently well you will climb.

the system is still designed in a way to push you towards 50% winrate no matter where you play.

its actually stacked against you for a simple reason. to keep you play.

if everyone would reach the rank hes supposed to be at in the matter of a couple weeks, then people might lose interest once they reach a point where they climb where they cap out in skill compared to their peers. most people might go "ok, this is how far ive got. i got the season rewards" and stop playing for the season.

but those constant win and loss streaks are generated to keep you interested. you know you already made it up to a certain division, so even when youre falling down the ladder again, you will try to get back where you were.

next time you make it a little higer up in rank, but youre guaranteed to fall down again, since the matchaking system is designed to create mmr rubber banding. its a business strategy.

ÅeolusFeb 28, 20171 votes

It's not stacked against you. Especially when people like Dopa can get to rank 1 in KR in under a month with close to a 70% win ratio. Also if you win your lane there's a much higher chance to win. There's a 50% chance after that for another lane to win. If 2 lanes win its pretty much gg (unless someone goes worse than 0-5 in the first 10-15min). You are also seriously deluded. You make baseless assumptions about some sort of conspiracy that Riot is doing without any evidence. If Diamond 2+ smurfs can get to d5 in a week or two as well then your statements are completely invalid. How do you explain them climbing to such a high rating and at a fast speed?

Critmaster GarenFeb 28, 20171 votes

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It's not stacked against you. Especially when people like Dopa can get to rank 1 in KR in under a month with close to a 70% win ratio. Also if you win your lane there's a much higher chance to win. There's a 50% chance after that for another lane to win. If 2 lanes win its pretty much gg (unless someone goes worse than 0-5 in the first 10-15min). You are also seriously deluded. You make baseless assumptions about some sort of conspiracy that Riot is doing without any evidence. If Diamond 2+ smurfs can get to d5 in a week or two as well then your statements are completely invalid. How do you explain them climbing to such a high rating and at a fast speed?

thas because theyre playing on smurphs and are actually matched with people who are new to the game and playing at silver/gold after their placements. the difference in game knowledge is so gigantic that they initially solo carry every game and break through the wall where theyre skipping divisions and their rank actually catches up with their mmr.

ive seen a friend of mine who had an older account, like 2 or 3 years old. and he was only ever matched against similar accounts around silver/gold with hundreds of games played. in none of his games he was ever faced with entirely new and inexperienced players. even though they should show up around the rank he was playing at. which means he was playing an entirely different game, matched against similar experienced players down there.

the quality of these players is vastly different than when youre creating a new smurph and hit up your first ranked games, and get matched with/against people who are entirely new to the game. its kinda riduculous. there is a pocket of id say plat level players stuck down in gold because they keep only getting matched against each other and push each other up and down the ladder with only incedibly slow progress because the matchmaking system takes the number of games played into account.

over time they probably can get out. but the way mmr rubber banding works, the entire process is already artificially slowed down.

its happened to some people i know that they never managed to get out of silver on their older accounts, then leveled up a new smurph and made it past their previous rank into gold and plat a matter of two weeks.

ZURELLFeb 28, 20171 votes

and even when he smurfed you said he had a 70% winrate? 30% of those he either couldnt carry hard enough due to the same problem that made this thread or he got flat out beaten himself

ÅeolusFeb 28, 20171 votes

70% is a lot you know. He also got there in around 150 games which is little. Anyone that can have that win ratio would be challenger in a matter of weeks. Also, this is a team based game not an fps.

ZURELLFeb 28, 20171 votes

i dont think you read the preceding comments before you tried to involve urself

ÅeolusFeb 28, 20171 votes

I did. I said it was stupid to expect winning all the time regardless of your skill level. It's a team based game. And I wouldn't complain about getting rank 1 in under a month even if I didn't have a superb win ratio. Is your goal not to achieve a high ranking?

ÅeolusFeb 28, 20171 votes

??? So get that knowledge? And you don't need to be leagues above everyone else to climb in terms of skill. If you are better than the people in your ranking you will slowly climb. It may take 20-40 games but you will. Also your friend was lying. The matchmaking system is only based on mmr. And regardless if they were new to rank mode they we're still at the same skill level as your friend. They would've been placed lower if they weren't. You can't climb after 7 games btw, no one does. I don't see the issue with it being slow. If you can't even dedicate 30 games don't play. If you don't climb after those amount of games you belong there.

Critmaster GarenFeb 28, 20171 votes

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??? So get that knowledge? And you don't need to be leagues above everyone else to climb in terms of skill. If you are better than the people in your ranking you will slowly climb. It may take 20-40 games but you will. Also your friend was lying. The matchmaking system is only based on mmr. And regardless if they were new to rank mode they we're still at the same skill level as your friend. They would've been placed lower if they weren't. You can't climb after 7 games btw, no one does. I don't see the issue with it being slow. If you can't even dedicate 30 games don't play. If you don't climb after those amount of games you belong there.

i dont know if he lied or not.

but ive seen people here on the forums report something similar. they were stuck in their rating for a long time, made a smurph and instantly climbed out of the lower divisions with it.

the reason why i can blieve that riot is deliberately creating these win/loss streaks and slows down the climb is to simply keep people interested and playing. from a business perspective it makes a lot of sense.

they have these mechanisms in other parts of the game. for example hextech crafting. the entire reason keys and key fragments exist, is to ensure that it takes you a hundred games each month to open them, even if you get the s rank to unlock a chest within a day.

ÅeolusFeb 28, 20171 votes

If you are gold III and create a smurf and land in silver IV obviously you will climb back to your original rank easily I don't see your point. Why would this prevent you from advancing a tier?

KaiokoFeb 27, 20171 votes

Why don't you try not supporting? Obviously I don't know how you play but if you're going to want to support going forward why not try to play AD for a bit. See what it's like to play with a support that remains behind you and expects you to win 1 vs 2 while keeping up your farm.

Again I'm not saying you do this but I think to understand why your teammates are struggling, you should try their roles.

MoetaroFeb 27, 20171 votes

I didnt star to play support somewhat decently until I decided to main adc. Then I realized what I needed as adc, so I mained support. (plus the queue times being insanely high if you are not support, tbh, but the thing is that to learn to play support I had to play adc, you are right).