Champs that should be nerfed ASAP

MaLLermees·Jun 6, 2015·3 votes·1,407 views

Write here champs that should me nerfed like srsly some champs need them akali- her dmg is just retarded katarina- amm bit op`? talon- gets lvl 6 ggwp ff at 20

29 Comments

pyrohammerJun 7, 20156 votes

u must be shit to cry about talon

NahuiJun 7, 20153 votes

Talon is not op.

LuggJun 7, 20151 votes

I thought that until I saw him 1v3 3 tanks and kill them all.

Malix FarwinJun 7, 20151 votes

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I thought that until I saw him 1v3 3 tanks and kill them all.

was he hyper fed? prolly. Ive seen a ton of champs do that which aren't on that list when they were fed

LuggJun 7, 20151 votes

That is the problem with Talon and Kat, they snowball WAY too hard. Their kill pressure literally doubles after their first kill. No champion should ever snowball that hard.

Humble FungusJun 7, 20151 votes

Yea... but they are double edged swords... if they don't get fed.. they are dead weight.

LuggJun 7, 20151 votes

And that is another misconception people have. Assassins can be down, but once they get 1 or 2 kills, they will still snowball. That myth is why people think assassins aren't OP.

Humble FungusJun 7, 20151 votes

Ugh.. there is just no pleasing your lot. You just have to have the last word. The point was that they don't generally get very many kills when they're behind bc they cannot 'assassinate' their targets. Anyways, while you guys sit here and cry about how assassins keep kicking your butts I'm going to go kill those assassins you're so afraid of.

LuggJun 7, 20151 votes

No pleasing us? LOL. It has been shown time and time again that assassins are OP. Assassins can be killed, but it is MUCH harder than most other classes. You are just in some sort of denial.

MaLLermeesJun 6, 20152 votes

also ekko is really op

SnugglePuggle94Jun 7, 20152 votes

Kat is already getting her E nerfed on the PBE. She doesn't need it or any other nerf. Talon is fine. He has a lot of counter play.

GinoSoldierJun 7, 20151 votes

Only nerf i'd shove on Katarina is spread her ult's damage on a longer period, without actually lowering its current damage. 1 second longer.

LuggJun 7, 20151 votes

Diana Ekko Heimerdinger Irelia Kalista Katarina Leblanc Nidalee Rengar Riven Ryze Talon Yasuo

Some only need minor nerfs, but they need nerfing for sure.

Vicarious117Jun 7, 20151 votes

Heimer, Rengar, Talon, and Yasuo do not need nerfs.

Heimer sets up shop and you have to actually walk into his damage for him to really be an issue. It happens to everyone at some point, but it's such an easily avoidable mechanic that nerfing him wouldn't be fair. Just play smarter.

Rengar is one of the most immobile assassins in the game aside for his leap, which is only a gap closer and not an escape (most the time). If you're having a hard time dealing with him then someone fed him already by not understanding how to play against him or you're simply not reacting accordingly. I mean he even gifts you a warning for when he's coming for you. React better, he doesn't need a nerf.

Everyone on here as already explained why Talon doesn't need a nerf.

Yasuo is horrendous in this current meta, and is almost completely dependent on team synergy. If his team doesn't cater to him he is FAR weaker then most other AD mid laners, and even when his team does provide him with many knockups he can still be easily imploded with proper focus. Is it possible he can get fed and 1v1, or even 1v3 other champs who are behind? Obviously, but most champs who get ahead by outplaying their opponents, getting lucky, or their opponents simply being bad will be able to do that. I've done that on Aatrox ffs, and NO ONE should ever think Aatrox is OP.

LuggJun 7, 20151 votes

I should have stated that Heimer needs a rework, not a nerf. His turrets should do less damage, but be more durable. His W and E damage should be buffed to make up for his turret damage nerf. That way he has to actually hit skill shots to win.

Rengar needs nerfing because he literally snowballs off 1 kill. If he gets 1 kill ahead in top lane, he wins lane right there and then. That is OP as hell. No champion should ever snowball off 1 kill, the other guy could have lagged for a few seconds and you got the kill with no skill at all.

Talon snowballs as bad or worse than Rengar.

Yasou is another that needs a rework more than a nerf. Put in him the wrong team comp and he struggles. Put him in the right one and it's GG from the start.

BTW, a couple months ago, Aatrox had the highest win % in Challenger and Diamond for the month.

Vicarious117Jun 7, 20151 votes

That trivializes his turrets though, kind of hurting his identity and making him stale. Heimer as a champion is supposed to set up shop and let his turrets to most his damage, with his rockets being another form of burst if he can land all the rockets. But if you make it so he's better off just shooting rockets instead of placing turrets then you might as well play Xerath or something since there wouldn't be any point in Heimer's turrets. And he was already reworked, not too long ago either, and he's far better now then he was beforehand.
That is a grand over exaggeration, he will not snow ball after ONE kill. Can he? Yes, in proper match ups he can snow ball after one kill, but in those match ups he's already stronger anyway. Like Vlad for example, Rengar already has the advantage so getting a kill will only make it harder for Vlad, but that's not a Rengar problem, that's just called a counter. MANY champs can do this, MANY, MANY, MANY. On the other hand say you get a kill on a Darius as Rengar cause he lagged out, well that Darius will still bully you out of lane and then 100-0 you at 6 if you're trying to fight him. It's all about match ups, not champion balancing. Rengar is one of the most variable top laners, in that he either hard counters or gets hard countered, nerfing him so he doesn't counter anyone anymore just makes him entirely unplayable. And if that's what you want then you're not actually looking for balance.
Talon is an assassin, like I said he's just a not as good Zed, who can snowball even harder then Talon quite often. When an assassin gets ahead they're going to assassinate you, that's what they do and that's why so many people cry about assassins. If he kills you and you keep getting too close or letting him harass you low enough to kill you then that's not a balancing problem, that's just a lack of skill. Also he either has no escape or limited engage, in that if he ults then jumps in he's a fish out of water after that first target, easy pickings no matter how fed, OR he jumps in then ulties to get out, in which case you can see him coming a mile away so very easy to avoid and his burst won't be nearly as high so far more survivable. He's far from a balancing problem and just about everyone posting on this thread agrees with me, for good reason.
That's just part of Yasuo, the risk reward of picking him, or the planning in champ select. In a scenario when he isn't with a good team, he's on his own and far from a balance issue. In the opposite, with like a Malph top and Wukong jungle or something, then simply avoid teamfighting, make them waste their wombo on single targets so you can mop them up afterwards or just never let them hard engage on you like that. He's not the only champ with the ability to hard engage with a teamfighting comp, you play against him just as you do all the rest, not even close to being OP.

BTW, if you think a momentarily high winrate on someone constitutes being too strong, especially when talking about a champion as well known as being underpowered as Aatrox, then you simply do not understand balancing in the slightest. So I hope that wasn't you trying to make a point and simply stating a "fun fact."

LuggJun 7, 20151 votes

I'm not saying make his turrets worthless. Just a slight damage nerf. That way he can still easily farm with them but then there is some actually skill required by him to win. He currently has one of the best win rates in the game at all levels. Make it so he has to hit a skillshot or two to live from dives.

I don't think it's an exaggeration at all. Any lead at all for Rengar and he is a total beast.

Talon is not as safe as Zed, but he snowballs faster. Which is pretty scary.

That is why I think Yas needs a rework. He should be viable in more than just knockup comps.

As for Aatrox, I don't think he is weak at all. He is actually ranked ahead of Rumble in the solo queue power rankings as a strong and preferred pick. Having the highest win rate for a day or week can be a fluke, but a whole month. I don't think so. There are just some really OP champs top right now. Riven, Irilia, Ryze, Wukong, Hecarim are all super strong. That is why he seems weak.

XonraJun 7, 20151 votes

Ekko and Leblanc

No champ should have this much mobility with this much damage.

Malix FarwinJun 7, 20151 votes

akali got gutted katarina is getting gutted next patch are we really complaining about talon?

Lao Fu the TigerJun 7, 20153 votes

Akali feels great in this patch with the changes to her R.

Katarina should do perfectly fine.

3TWarriorJun 7, 20151 votes

well, talon's strength is his ult. he can get in and kill the carry easy and probably the mage too, then he's dead

Vicarious117Jun 7, 20151 votes

Talon isn't much of an issue, I mean he's basically a not as effective Zed who's easier to play. If you think he needs to be nerfed then you simply do not understand his match ups at all, and not that he's too strong, cause he's not.

Secondly, I agree Akali is a really stupid champ with an abhorrent amount of damage coupled with passive life steal and spell vamp for no freakin reason, all on top of a near spammable gap closer that also does stupid amount of damage. However, she kind of needs to act in bursts, which is why she'll hide in her stealth and wait for her CDs, so drop a pink ward or use an upgraded red trinket and then squish her. Without her stealth she has no other ways of not imploding.

Finally, YES, Katarina needs to be nerfed right now, she's OP as all living shit! Insane amounts of damage, very high mobility, absolutely resourceless, easy as all hell to play, AND she gets RESETS for some reason! She is honestly just a really, really stupid champ, and even with ways to counter her like CC a good (or lucky) Kat can jump into a fight and just demolish everyone and their mothers with resets galor even when 3/7/3 or something after CC has been used to try and catch someone or peel someone else. Cause she is very rarely the only damage threat on a team, so you can't just not use ANYTHING at all until she shows up, or her team will steam roll you anyways. But ofc she's Riot's favorite child so they'll never actually truly nerf her, and if they do Kat mains will cry a storm about "loss of identity" or some shit and they'll buff her again and she'll just return to being stupid OP.

As for who I think aside from those three, they need to nerf Gragas ASAP. I honestly do not understand why they haven't yet, he has ridiculous ganking and pressure early game, very high damage for a tank or even fighter/mage early and mid game, great disengage, engage, and catch potential, and is one of the tankiest champs by early-mid game without having to lose a lot of his damage potential. I played a normal against an AP gragas jungle and he wasn't doing much more damage then tanky as hell Gragas would've been doing anyway. He is a problem, his winrate and ban rate prove it, and for who knows what stupid reason Riot has, they still haven't nerfed him.

NahuiJun 7, 20151 votes

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Talon isn't much of an issue, I mean he's basically a not as effective Zed who's easier to play. If you think he needs to be nerfed then you simply do not understand his match ups at all, and not that he's too strong, cause he's not.

Secondly, I agree Akali is a really stupid champ with an abhorrent amount of damage coupled with passive life steal and spell vamp for no freakin reason, all on top of a near spammable gap closer that also does stupid amount of damage. However, she kind of needs to act in bursts, which is why she'll hide in her stealth and wait for her CDs, so drop a pink ward or use an upgraded red trinket and then squish her. Without her stealth she has no other ways of not imploding.

Finally, YES, Katarina needs to be nerfed right now, she's OP as all living shit! Insane amounts of damage, very high mobility, absolutely resourceless, easy as all hell to play, AND she gets RESETS for some reason! She is honestly just a really, really stupid champ, and even with ways to counter her like CC a good (or lucky) Kat can jump into a fight and just demolish everyone and their mothers with resets galor even when 3/7/3 or something after CC has been used to try and catch someone or peel someone else. Cause she is very rarely the only damage threat on a team, so you can't just not use ANYTHING at all until she shows up, or her team will steam roll you anyways. But ofc she's Riot's favorite child so they'll never actually truly nerf her, and if they do Kat mains will cry a storm about "loss of identity" or some shit and they'll buff her again and she'll just return to being stupid OP.

As for who I think aside from those three, they need to nerf Gragas ASAP. I honestly do not understand why they haven't yet, he has ridiculous ganking and pressure early game, very high damage for a tank or even fighter/mage early and mid game, great disengage, engage, and catch potential, and is one of the tankiest champs by early-mid game without having to lose a lot of his damage potential. I played a normal against an AP gragas jungle and he wasn't doing much more damage then tanky as hell Gragas would've been doing anyway. He is a problem, his winrate and ban rate prove it, and for who knows what stupid reason Riot has, they still haven't nerfed him.

Zed is definitely not easier to play than Talon. Not even close.

Vicarious117Jun 8, 20151 votes

It's a good thing I said Talon is easier to play then......

stealthfox94Jun 7, 20151 votes

An assassin hater what a surprise.

PisdovJun 7, 20151 votes

Katarina, Annie, Cho'gath, Leblanc, Riven

TrídentJun 7, 20151 votes

Talon is NOT op. He's one of the most balanced champions in the game. I'm surprised you aren't complaining about the safety assassins, but complaining about that one balanced assassin.

NahuiJun 8, 20151 votes

Ah, thought you said Zed was easier. Wording was confusing.