Look, a lot of people hate Vayne. It has become the "cool" thing to do. But the problem isn't Vayne, it is her build. She builds for her Q, as her true damage is shit now. If they buffed her true damage, she wouldn't have to level Q until late game. This would give her the buff she so desperately needs without making her toxic to play against.
GigglesO3 votesAs a tank main, no.
doublelift fg3 votesthe problem with vayne is that 100% of her damage are unavoidable, period
the only way to outplay vayne is to have more damage than her, i think we can call this a cancer design
F0zzyBear1 votesFeels so bad when you get dueled by a Vayne as adc and they shit-talk you in chat. You're playing the best 1v1 duelist marksman! You just hit me, and if you ult, I can't even hit you for a moment.
ZephyrDrake2 votes[{quoted}](name=doublelift fg,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ni2iWIdu,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-01-02T09:26:39.801+0000)
the problem with vayne is that 100% of her damage are unavoidable, period
the only way to outplay vayne is to have more damage than her, i think we can call this a cancer design
this would be true if her range was Xerath's range but it's not
Surfer Ashe1 votesUh, what.
You just also basically called any champion who builds AD and autos "cancer design"
doublelift fg1 votesYou can outplay jinx in an 1v1 by doding her W or her R
you can't dodge anything from vayne
Surfer Ashe1 votes90%+ of her damage isn't from either of those.
doublelift fg1 votesstill not 100%
Surfer Ashe2 votesDespite your stupid nitpitpicking, what about melee carries, Xin and Trynd for example.
Volibear?
None of their damage is "avoidable" but doesn't stop them from being cancer when they do get in range.
doublelift fg2 votesyou're like rexsaur, all of you are just good at looking away
xin trynd, volibear, when did i say they're a good design? they're fucking awful
Gangplank, fiora, yasuo, those are good design of a hard carry, gangplank relies on his barrels, fiora relies on her vital point that you can ACTUALLY outplay unlike what people think And yasuo, not only his tornado is telegraphed, but i saw several people doding yasuo's Q just by moving
so YES, all of those champions that have 100% of their damage unavoidable are awfull because the only counterplay to them is to have more damage than them
and vayne doesn't escape this
ZephyrDrake2 votes[{quoted}](name=doublelift fg,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ni2iWIdu,comment-id=0001000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-02T11:26:49.709+0000)
you're like rexsaur, all of you are just good at looking away
xin trynd, volibear, when did i say they're a good design? they're fucking awful
Gangplank, fiora, yasuo, those are good design of a hard carry, gangplank relies on his barrels, fiora relies on her vital point that you can ACTUALLY outplay unlike what people think And yasuo, not only his tornado is telegraphed, but i saw several people doding yasuo's Q just by moving
so YES, all of those champions that have 100% of their damage unavoidable are awfull because the only counterplay to them is to have more damage than them
and vayne doesn't escape this
fiora is good design? whenever she is good she wraps the entire meta around herself and forces everyone that can't deal with her out of the top lane. That is not a sign of good design. GP needs to be heavily nerfed in order for him to not do the exact same thing. That is not a sign of good design. Yasuo is one of the most infuriating champions in the game even when he isn't even broken power wise, that is not a sign of good design. Your biased is so obvious it's laughable.
doublelift fg1 votesi don't care about what happens with those champs
all i'm saying, is that at least 100% of their damage aren't unavoidable
if they bring other issues, it has to do with what their kit does but at least they're a good example of how a hard carry should work
Your biased is so obvious it's laughable.
Hahahahahaahaha, let me laugh more then
GigglesO2 votes[{quoted}](name=doublelift fg,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ni2iWIdu,comment-id=000100020000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2017-01-02T11:36:15.549+0000)
all i'm saying, is that at least 100% of their damage aren't unavoidable
I'ma just add that if your argument is building armor... armor is pretty much useless right now...
ZephyrDrake1 votes[{quoted}](name=doublelift fg,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ni2iWIdu,comment-id=000100020000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2017-01-02T11:36:15.549+0000)
i don't care about what happens with those champs
all i'm saying, is that at least 100% of their damage aren't unavoidable
if they bring other issues, it has to do with what their kit does but at least they're a good example of how a hard carry should work
Hahahahahaahaha, let me laugh more then
if you don't care what happens to them then do not bring them up and do not say they are good design when they are not. Sorry but their kits are not good designed which invalidates what you are trying to say. If you are going to try and have examples of good designed champions use champions that are designed properly instead of running away like a coward when your are being called on your terrible bias
doublelift fg2 votesLOL
please just stfu already, you don't understand that what i'm saying is their damage is how a carry should work
just stop posting thanks
ZephyrDrake1 votes[{quoted}](name=doublelift fg,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ni2iWIdu,comment-id=00010002000000000000000000000000000100010000,timestamp=2017-01-02T12:15:49.596+0000)
LOL
please just stfu already, you don't understand that what i'm saying is their damage is how a carry should work
just stop posting thanks
oh it sucks when your terrible bias is revealed right? stop posting yourself until you actually give me actual examples of good design champions instead of hiding behind terrible bias after terrible bias. There is plenty of outplay to do to champions even if you cannot dodge their damage but someone like you will never be able to see it since all you see is "every single champion in the game should be able to be dealt with in the exact same manner no matter what" which is wrong and it's false. There are plenty of ways to outplay a Vayne or a Yi or any of the undodgeable damage champions.
STFU yourself and go back to running with your tail behind you please
GigglesO1 votesfiora is good design? whenever she is good she wraps the entire meta around herself and forces everyone that can't deal with her out of the top lane. That is not a sign of good design. GP needs to be heavily nerfed in order for him to not do the exact same thing. That is not a sign of good design. Yasuo is one of the most infuriating champions in the game even when he isn't even broken power wise, that is not a sign of good design. Your biased is so obvious it's laughable.
The other issue is that they keep nerfing any champions that can beat said champions 1v1. Morde vs. Yasuo is the classical example. Before his rework he beat the shit out of yasuo... Also, Ramus could beat vayne... then they nerfed his tank... Vlad could beat GP, but then they nerfed his sustain... The list goes on and on and on... Its just one giant fuck fest of a rotation that somehow always has Lee Sin.
ZephyrDrake2 votes[{quoted}](name=doublelift fg,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ni2iWIdu,comment-id=000100020000,timestamp=2017-01-02T09:55:37.450+0000)
You can outplay jinx in an 1v1 by doding her W or her R
you can't dodge anything from vayne
if Jinx is using her W on you while you are close to her she is a moron and if she is using her Ult on you while you are close to her that means that she either is about to die or you are about to die. There is no reason for her to be using anything but autos in a 1v1 scenerio
Magi Mayvin2 votesAt least the rest of the adcs don't deal so much true dmg and are mobile as fuck.
Surfer Ashe1 votesIf Vayne is "3-6" shotting, the true damage isn't even a factor.
ZephyrDrake1 votes[{quoted}](name=Surfer Ashe,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ni2iWIdu,comment-id=0001000200010000,timestamp=2017-01-02T10:14:25.084+0000)
If Vayne is "3-6" shotting, the true damage isn't even a factor.
but don't you know? according to boards, vayne deals %MaxHP true damage with every single auto! and there is nothing you can do against her while she is this immortal being of mass destruction that kills you in 2 hits no matter who you are and what your build is... while she has 5 cs and 2 items at the 60 min mark
Magi Mayvin1 votesUm, I'm talking about her killing tanks whatever items you build against her not just her 3 shotting squishy champs.+ her being hard to reach due to her mobility and stealth and even the E push/stun
Surfer Ashe1 votesKilling tanks is her thing though.
Nerf a champion for being good at what they do? That'll be like nerfing Ziggs for destroying turrets too fast
Magi Mayvin1 votesShe's good at everything, that's the problem.She bursts squishies,she melts tanks,she can push fast, she has a lot of mobility.Her only weak point is laning phase
Surfer Ashe1 votesSo wouldn't it stand that nerfing her Q damage amp would be the way to go and not her true damage that you initially complained about?
My whole point????
Magi Mayvin1 votesI'd say remove the bonus ad from the ult, the utl already offers too much even without the AD(bonus movement speed, stealth on every Q and a low cooldown) her normal Q doesn't deal that much burst dmg but in combination with the ult bonus AD it's too much.Do that and I'm happy.
vOmvbrawfU1 votesActually, 100% of her damage in not unavoidable.
EvilUnicornLord2 votesTrue damage in utslef is ba d for game balance and vagne is really obnoxois and typical balance rant bla bla bla
######Alright, Laughing Fish, what's going on? Troll post challenge to see who can farm the most downvotes?
AkhriPasta1 votesShes too strong, maybe nerf her q or e u want her true damage buffed.
Surfer Ashe1 votesVayne True Damage has always been shit and got shitter vs squishies when they removed the base damage from it.
But everyone freaks the fuck out when they see %HP true damage, even when it only does average damage for a basic ability that is SUPOSSED to counter tanks.
Funny how no one ever crunches the numbers when all her damae is from Q amp and ult raw AD boost.
Magi Mayvin1 votesAll of her abilities are dumb and broken bro, except E.Q deals dumb dmg with the crit build has 1 sec cd in late,it's alaso a dash and makes her invisible in combination with ult, W has literally 0 counterplay and you're telling riot to buff it, good job.
Broken Exile1 votesi've said this too and y adc can run statik shiv and 1 shot people
Akenero1 votesRight now vayne is stupid because she has INCREDIBLY high damage autos with q, whereas before it was mainly her w that did the damage. And besides, vayne has very little dueling power early, so carries like varus, Draven, Caitlyn, or Lucian can demolish her, the issue is that she negates the major weakness of an ADC, shredding tanks fast and peeling. I love vayne, but she does need some changes.
