Love how Garen only build HP and Defense items and still shreds
''JUST KITE HIM BRO''
Q removes slows and w just makes cc useless, what else you want?????????????????????????????????
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Critmaster Garen13 votesits almost like he wasnt a tank, but some sort of juggernaut.
EuphoricToaster4 votesYou're complaining about Garen, of all champions?
SwiftKitten882 votesYou're complaining about Garen, of all champions?
to be fair... he is pretty damn OP at the moment
https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/garen/all
even in PLAT + he is over 52% winrate...
he is supposed to be an easy beginner champion...
it really doesn't make since for him to be nearly 54% winrate in the elo he is designed to be used in...
Jamaree5 votesto be fair... he is pretty damn OP at the moment
https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/garen/all
even in PLAT + he is over 52% winrate...
he is supposed to be an easy beginner champion...
it really doesn't make since for him to be nearly 54% winrate in the elo he is designed to be used in...
Good, it only took him 9 years to not be shit, let him not be shit for a little.
SwiftKitten882 votes[deleted]
Jamaree5 votes.... are u dumb...
do u NOT understand how UNHEALTHY it is to have one of the eaist champion in the game who is DESGINED to be easy... a champion who is SUPPOSED to be one of the first champions u learn how to play.
and then make that champion really strong.
Are you dumb? How is a champion being nearly unplayable for 9 years healthy? Difficulty has nothing to do with viability, it never has, it is why every champion from the 450 to the 6300 has been top tier at some point, difficulty or not, why should ease mean not viable?
then let me dumb it down for you
if it takes a takes X skill level to play said champion... but in order to BEAT them u need to have a skill level an absurd amount higher...
That.... isn’t at all how it works. BECAUSE he is so simple, the means for him to be good are incredibly simple and this incredibly simple to beat. Garen isn’t like Zed where you have to factor in his energy, angles, split decisions, he is basic and his counters are basic.
The ways to beat Garen quite literally haven’t changed in 9 years, the exact same things that beat him years ago STILL beat him: kiting. Ranged mobile champions continue to kick hiss ass.
then said champion is not fair.
and it means people who who cant play the game can abuse X to climb to levels they dont deserve and break match making even more.
If you can’t beat a simple champion, that is more a lack of your own skill rather then the champion.
The Highest Noon3 votesThat's been my concern for a while now. Tanks are too much of a threat.
Now, some may argue that of course a Tank would out damage infantry soldiers, but that's because real world Tanks are built for both defense AND offense. In a game where the iteams you build are both limited and focused, there's no reason for someone with 100% defensive build to do tons of damage.
On that note though, I guess it can be argued that of course tanks would be able to damage those that don't build defense. Looking at it that way, I can't be too upset. Full damage till I die!!!..a lot, and usually to Garen or Poppy.
Jamaree3 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NYzxO01z,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-08-04T16:32:36.616+0000)
That's been my concern for a while now. Tanks are too much of a threat.
He has never been a concern, he has only been a threat an actual threat at low elo. Also Garen isn’t a tank, Garen has never been a tank, Garen will never be a tank, you can call him a fighter, a bruiser, a jugg, but not a tank.
Now, some may argue that of course a Tank would out damage infantry soldiers, but that's because real world Tanks are built for both defense AND offense. In a game where the iteams you build are both limited and focused, there's no reason for someone with 100% defensive build to do tons of damage.
Garen isn’t a tank.
On that note though, I guess it can be argued that of course tanks would be able to damage those that don't build defense. Looking at it that way, I can't be too upset. Full damage till I die!!!..a lot, and usually to Garen or Poppy.
Garen isn’t a tank, Poppy is kind of a tank but meph.
The Highest Noon3 votesGaren isn’t a tank.
Passively stacks armor off farm Passively increased health regeneration 60% down to 30% damage reduction and 60% tenacity over 6 seconds max on a 24 second maximum cooldown. Maximun defensive rating
There is no argument whatsoever to convince me that Garen isn't a tank, and it's an insult to everyone's intelligence for you to claim that.
Flemman3 votesgaren has litterally 0 ability that scale with tank stat, he is a juggernaut that need a bit of ad to work
The Highest Noon1 votesgaren has litterally 0 ability that scale with tank stat, he is a juggernaut that need a bit of ad to work
Damage Reduction intermittently scales with tank stats. And no, Garen doesn't need AD to work. He has shred, remember?
Flemman2 votesa garen without cleaver is a dead weight for is team
Jamaree2 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NYzxO01z,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-04T16:49:36.814+0000)
Passively stacks armor off farm Passively increased health regeneration 60% down to 30% damage reduction and 60% tenacity over 6 seconds max on a 24 second maximum cooldown. Maximun defensive rating
Congrats, he has a tanking ability because he has to wade through five people to survive, based off this logic, Wukong is a tank because his passive gives him innate defenses.
Camille is a tank because her passive gives her a shield.
Jax and Fiora, also tanks, they do have abilities and passive to reduce damage after all.
There is no argument whatsoever to convince me that Garen isn't a tank, and it's an insult to everyone's intelligence for you to claim that.
That isn’t how tanks work, Garen is tanky, ie he has defenses that allow him to walk through five people to do his damage, which he needs because he has to WALK, not flash, not leap, not go through walls, BUT WALK through five people to get to the back line to do his damage.
The Highest Noon1 voteshe has to WALK, not flash, not leap, not go through walls, BUT WALK through five people to get to the back line to do his damage.
Uhh, what? 60% tenacity for 6 seconds? 60%-30% damage reduction for 6 seconds? Movement speed buff that removes slows on-cast?
What kind of argument is that? Full tank garen + 60% tenacy + 60-30% damage reduction + Q = He is running through everybody and you can't stop him. And hey, it's great that five people are focusing THE TANK instead of, y'know, everybody behind him who are free to slaughter your entire team because you thought it was smart to focus Garen.
There's no argument against this.
Jamaree2 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NYzxO01z,comment-id=00000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-08-04T17:05:15.036+0000)
Uhh, what? 60% tenacity for 6 seconds? 60%-30% damage reduction for 6 seconds? Movement speed buff that removes slows on-cast?
Yeah and? He is a jugg, he is good at soaking damage, that doesn’t make him a tank.
What kind of argument is that? Full tank garen + 60% tenacy + 60-30% damage reduction + Q = He is running through everybody and you can't stop him.
Yeah, then he does no damage because none of his abilities scale with tank items and his only means of drawing any aggression is a silence. That makes for a really shitty tank.
And hey, it's great that five people are focusing THE TANK instead of, y'know, everybody behind him who are free to slaughter your entire team because you thought it was smart to focus Garen.
If a team is stupid enough to focus all their damage on a no damage basically cc less champion, they deserve to lose.
There's no argument against this.
There is plenty of argument here if you think Garen is a tank.
The Highest Noon1 votesIf a team is stupid enough to focus all their damage on a no damage basically cc less champion, they deserve to lose.
You literally have only said that Garen has to go through 5 people. Don't backpedal your arguments, fam. Either those 5 people focus garen and take damage from the rest of his team or they don't focus Garen and he's taking out at least two of their carries. There's no in-between.
For the sake of argument though, what do you define as a tank if not someone that can't be killed under normal circumstances?
Jamaree2 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NYzxO01z,comment-id=0000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-04T17:11:45.603+0000)
You literally have only said that Garen has to go through 5 people. Don't backpedal your arguments, fam. Either those 5 people focus garen and take damage from the rest of his team or they don't focus Garen and he's taking out at least two of their carries. There's no in-between.
That doesn’t happen, a full tank Garen isn’t going to do anything against a decent team, and who said anything about focusing, AoE is a thing.
For the sake of argument though, what do you define as a tank if not someone that can't be killed under normal circumstances?
A champion that can soak damage, decent engage, a mixture of soft and hard cc to engage, disrupt and peel as need be.
Amumu is a tank, Sej is a tank, Braum is a tank, Ornn is a tank, Cho Gath can be considered a tank, Poppy and Sion can tank, Garen is a jugg, he can soak damage but lacks the ability to engage and the cc to disrupt.
The Highest Noon1 votesThat doesn’t happen, a full tank Garen isn’t going to do anything against a decent team, and who said anything about focusing, AoE is a thing.
It happens. I myself have done it many times.
Amumu is a tank, Sej is a tank, Braum is a tank, Ornn is a tank, Cho Gath can be considered a tank, Poppy and Sion can tank, Garen is a jugg, he can soak damage but lacks the ability to engage and the cc to disrupt.
Garen can both engage and disrupt without hard CC. That's his problem. He's too much of a threat.
Jamaree2 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NYzxO01z,comment-id=000000000000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-04T17:32:23.654+0000)
It happens. I myself have done it many times.
Against bad players.
Garen can both engage and disrupt without hard CC. That's his problem. He's too much of a threat.
Not unless he is fed or his enemies fuck up and position poorly.
Critmaster Garen2 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NYzxO01z,comment-id=00000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-08-04T17:05:15.036+0000)
Uhh, what? 60% tenacity for 6 seconds? 60%-30% damage reduction for 6 seconds? Movement speed buff that removes slows on-cast?
What kind of argument is that? Full tank garen + 60% tenacy + 60-30% damage reduction + Q = He is running through everybody and you can't stop him. And hey, it's great that five people are focusing THE TANK instead of, y'know, everybody behind him who are free to slaughter your entire team because you thought it was smart to focus Garen.
There's no argument against this.
the tenacity on his w lasts 0.75 seconds, dipshit.
its 60% damage reduction and tenacity in the 0.75 second window after he pressed w, and after that its just the 30% damage reduction.
the entire point of that 0.75 second window is to give him an outplay tool to block one burst or cc ability, IF he times it correctly.
its basically a weaker version of 
w
if you cc him at any point after the initial 0.75 seconds of his w, he doesnt benefit from the tenacity.
did you literally play against garens not trying to cc him during the entire duration of his w? no wonder you cant beat him.
SwiftKitten881 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NYzxO01z,comment-id=000000000000000100000001,timestamp=2018-08-04T17:11:58.490+0000)
the tenacity on his w lasts 0.75 seconds, dipshit.
its 60% damage reduction and tenacity in the 0.75 second window, and after that its just the 30% damage reduction.
the entire point of that 0.75 second window is to give him an outplay tool to block one burst or cc ability, IF he times it correctly.
if you cc him at any point after the initial 0.75 seconds of his w, he doesnt benefit from the tenacity.
did you literally play against garens not trying to cc him during the entire duration of his w? no wonder you cant beat him.
just out of curiosity what do u think the general cooldown for hard CC spells are?
Critmaster Garen2 votesjust out of curiosity what do u think the general cooldown for hard CC spells are?
depends on the champion?
there are champions in this game who have multiple cc abilities.
then there are champions who are capable of perma slowing you with items like 
then there are champions with multiple knockups and displacements so not even tenacity can help you.
i mean you always have the option of not engaging in an all in with him when he has his w available.
SwiftKitten881 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NYzxO01z,comment-id=00000000000000010000000100000000,timestamp=2018-08-04T17:15:42.085+0000)
depends on the champion?
there are champions in this game who have multiple cc abilities.
then there are champions who are capable of perma slowing you with items like
then there are champions with multiple knockups and displacements so not even tenacity can help you.
i mean you always have the option of not engaging in an all in with him when he has his w available.
yeah like what ? 3???
i mean sure i can see how an 
or someone like 
with 
can perma slow u so u cant reach him
but the VAST majorty of champsion have very limited cc and dont have spammable spells like 
does.
and even with that.. garen has answers to MOST of those with his Q and he W, if he uses them properly.
it is MUCH easier to kite champions like 
and even 
than it is to kite garen
as speed boost is entirely removed in combat so a single auto or ability or ability can completely remove it
and has no speed boost OR CC break
im not saying there arnt champions that can kite garen for days.
im saying there are VERY few, and garen has build in answers to almost every other situation.
Critmaster Garen2 votesyeah like what ? 3???
every single tank, most mages, supports and a shitload of champions in between.
do you even realize how prevalent cc is in this game?
i just clicked through the first row of champions, and those are already all of those with multiple forms of cc, some form of displacement or the ablity to cc garen multiple times during the window of his w cooldown.
those are the champions who "only" have one form of cc or none compared to that
The Highest Noon1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NYzxO01z,comment-id=000000000000000100000001,timestamp=2018-08-04T17:11:58.490+0000)
the tenacity on his w lasts 0.75 seconds, dipshit.
its 60% damage reduction and tenacity in the 0.75 second window after he pressed w, and after that its just the 30% damage reduction.
Ah, you right. I alwyas assumed it was tenacity during the whole duration, because after I press W nobody can stop me lol
did you literally play against garens not trying to cc him during the entire duration of his w? no wonder you cant beat him.
No, I play Garen and not even CC ever stops me from destroy an entire team. Guess he's balanced after all! :D
Flemman3 votesyes there is one :p
" Garen reduces incoming physical and magic damage by 60% and has 60% Tenacity for the first 0.75 seconds. For the rest of the duration Garen reduces incoming physical and magic damage by 30%"
tenacity only there for 0.75 sec
The Highest Noon1 votesyes there is one :p
" Garen reduces incoming physical and magic damage by 60% and has 60% Tenacity for the first 0.75 seconds. For the rest of the duration Garen reduces incoming physical and magic damage by 30%"
tenacity only there for 0.75 sec
shakes my goddamn fist in defeat
You got me!!! There needs to be an emote for fist-shaking rofl
ZephyrDrake4 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NYzxO01z,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-04T16:49:36.814+0000)
Passively stacks armor off farm Passively increased health regeneration 60% down to 30% damage reduction and 60% tenacity over 6 seconds max on a 24 second maximum cooldown. Maximun defensive rating
There is no argument whatsoever to convince me that Garen isn't a tank, and it's an insult to everyone's intelligence for you to claim that.
well, how about you learn what a tank is in a MOBA. Everyone can build tank items and become tanky. A tank in MOBAs are meant to engage, disrupt and peel the enemy. That is their MAIN role, having high defenses is just a tool that tanks use to accomplish that goal and it's something they need since they need to be in the middle of everyone. Tanks aren't the only class of champions that can soak damage, Juggernauts also soak a lot of damage but they cannot engage, peel or disrupt anywhere near close to what a tank is capable of.
You can think all you want that Garen is a tank, doesn't change the fact that you are wrong
The Highest Noon2 votesA tank in MOBAs are meant to engage, disrupt and peel the enemy
Are you saying that Garen can't engage (Q movement buff), disrupt (Q silence and E AOE) and peel (Without damage he can one-shot squishy champions)? Because you'd be wrong for that claim, bud.
[sg-ahri-2]
Jamaree4 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NYzxO01z,comment-id=00000000000000020000,timestamp=2018-08-04T17:08:38.202+0000)
Are you saying that Garen can't engage (Q movement buff), disrupt (Q silence and E AOE) and peel (Without damage he can one-shot squishy champions)? Because you'd be wrong for that claim, bud.
[sg-ahri-2]
Yes, that is exactly what we are saying, because a decent team is just going to kite him and when he does get to the important targets, will tickle them unless he is fed and/or his target is the villain. His Q makes for a very shitty engage, it isn’t instant and gives your entire team time to prep for it, only provides a silence, one of the weakest forms of cc in the game and his E doesn’t disrupt anything if it does no damage, which it won’t especially if he is building full tank and also does less damage if they is more then one target in its range.
The Highest Noon1 votesI have never not done any damage as Garen while going full tank, so that entire argument is non-existent. I have never been prevented from reaching the backline no matter how hard they try to "kite," so that argument is non-existent. His E does increased damage by default because of it's armor shred, so once more that argument is invalid.
Are you just arguing because of some elitism? That's what it sounds like. "Garen isn't a problem for me that means he's not a problem" is a terrible position to be in and serves nothing but your own ego.
Jamaree5 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NYzxO01z,comment-id=0000000000000002000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-04T17:26:06.010+0000)
I have never not done any damage as Garen while going full tank, so that entire argument is non-existent. I have never been prevented from reaching the backline no matter how hard they try to "kite," so that argument is non-existent. His E does increased damage by default because of it's armor shred, so once more that argument is invalid.
That is more so because the players in bronze and low silver don’t know how to play the game, they don’t know how to counter pick, they don’t know how to position, and generally fail at a lot of mechanics which allows a low skill champion like Garen to shine.
Are you just arguing because of some elitism? That's what it sounds like. "Garen isn't a problem for me that means he's not a problem" is a terrible position to be in and serves nothing but your own ego.
It isn’t just me, notice how most people Gold and above don’t complain about Garen? It’s because people realize and understand his weaknesses and how to play around his incredibly simple kit to not become a monster.
The Highest Noon1 votesHuh. I've played up to Gold and it's still a problem there.
GUESS YOU'RE WRONG.
Jamaree3 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NYzxO01z,comment-id=000000000000000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-04T17:49:45.557+0000)
Huh. I've played up to Gold and it's still a problem there.
GUESS YOU'RE WRONG.
On what account, because this one has been silver for the past 4 seasons?
ZephyrDrake3 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NYzxO01z,comment-id=00000000000000020000,timestamp=2018-08-04T17:08:38.202+0000)
Are you saying that Garen can't engage (Q movement buff), disrupt (Q silence and E AOE) and peel (Without damage he can one-shot squishy champions)? Because you'd be wrong for that claim, bud.
[sg-ahri-2]
sorry but what? no he cannot engage, disrupt or peel at all. A little MS buff that goes away the instant you slow him since he gets no slow immunity just cleanses the slow he had when he activates it so you can just reapply the slow. He gets to hit one person with a silence that more than likely isn't even going to care about and his E does no damage at all if he has no damage items. He peels how? he does no damage if he goes full tank.
Please learn what a tank is and what a tank does. You have no idea what engaging, disrupting or peeling means
The Highest Noon1 voteshe does no damage if he goes full tank.
He does damage when he goes full tank. That's the bulk of every argument against him in this thread because of EXPERIENCE with full tank Garen dealing damage.
It's funny when I list just how he does what you say he doesn't and you say he doesn't do it with no substantial evidence whatsoever despite the evidence supporting that he indeed does it lol
ZephyrDrake2 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NYzxO01z,comment-id=0000000000000002000000010000,timestamp=2018-08-04T17:28:31.783+0000)
He does damage when he goes full tank. That's the bulk of every argument against him in this thread because of EXPERIENCE with full tank Garen dealing damage.
It's funny when I list just how he does what you say he doesn't and you say he doesn't do it with no substantial evidence whatsoever despite the evidence supporting that he indeed does it lol
I have yet to see a full tank Garen doing any form of meaningful damage. Where is your evidence that he does damage? you aren't showing anything, there is no evidence to support your claim, show it... oh wait you can't! Garen does no damage when going full tank. Unless you mean to the villain which I guess he does damage to the villain and nobody else
The Highest Noon1 votesI can't, because I don't play Garen regularly. But the evidence is in the gameplay itself. You have not proven that full tank Garen can't do damage, whereas in my experience he always does. That's about it. If you wanna argue, you can get a time machine and look at my past games, but that's it. Otherwise, you can't convince me that my personal experiences are wrong lol
Jamaree1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NYzxO01z,comment-id=000000000000000200000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-04T17:47:48.457+0000)
I can't, because I don't play Garen regularly. But the evidence is in the gameplay itself. You have not proven that full tank Garen can't do damage, whereas in my experience he always does. That's about it. If you wanna argue, you can get a time machine and look at my past games, but that's it. Otherwise, you can't convince me that my personal experiences are wrong lol
Once again, your showcase of stomping bronze and silver players who don’t know how to play the game isn’t proof, bronze and silver players are bad and don’t know how to play the game, do that against players who actually know what they are doing, hell, 1 vs 1 me then if Garen is so dumb without downsides and impossible to kite.
The Highest Noon1 votesbronze and silver players are bad and don’t know how to play the game
And that's where I drop the debate. If you're just gonna genarlize the entirety of two tiers just because you can't prove your point, don't bother voicing an opinion.
Jamaree2 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NYzxO01z,comment-id=00000000000000020000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-04T18:02:39.304+0000)
And that's where I drop the debate. If you're just gonna genarlize the entirety of two tiers just because you can't prove your point, don't bother voicing an opinion.
It is the truth though, they aren’t good at the game, it is the hard truth of the matter. They don’t understand why champions have what they have, they only look at the pros of a champion and never the cons, they don’t position properly, they have lower cs, they misplay more often, they aren’t good.
ZephyrDrake2 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NYzxO01z,comment-id=000000000000000200000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-04T17:47:48.457+0000)
I can't, because I don't play Garen regularly. But the evidence is in the gameplay itself. You have not proven that full tank Garen can't do damage, whereas in my experience he always does. That's about it. If you wanna argue, you can get a time machine and look at my past games, but that's it. Otherwise, you can't convince me that my personal experiences are wrong lol
So your personal experiences aren't wrong but everyone else's are right?
The Highest Noon1 votesSo your personal experiences aren't wrong but everyone else's are right?
Confirmation for always trumps denial against lol it is what it is. xD
ZephyrDrake1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NYzxO01z,comment-id=00000000000000020000000100000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-08-04T23:59:59.948+0000)
Confirmation for always trumps denial against lol it is what it is. xD
Ok thanks for admitting in being in denial and that you have no idea how to deal with Garen and that you play with people that have no idea how to properly play the game or deal with one dimensional champions
Sona Ping3 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NYzxO01z,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-04T16:49:36.814+0000)
Passively stacks armor off farm Passively increased health regeneration 60% down to 30% damage reduction and 60% tenacity over 6 seconds max on a 24 second maximum cooldown. Maximun defensive rating
There is no argument whatsoever to convince me that Garen isn't a tank, and it's an insult to everyone's intelligence for you to claim that.
Right. Because just like champions like 
, Garen has so much in terms of shields, knockbacks, and roots that allow him to function building full tank items and act as a defensive line for his teams and take advantage of his capability to provide peel.
Or Garen has that timed tenacity ability because he is melee and it gives him target access because he is not a tank.
[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NYzxO01z,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-04T16:58:03.337+0000)
Damage Reduction intermittently scales with tank stats.
But what scales really well with tanks stats is health. And so of course things that gain health, like life steal work too.
And so with your reasoning with the damage reduction, tenacity, and tank stat scaling Garen is a tank. It's just he's not as good as other tanks like Fiora.
And no, Garen doesn't need AD to work. He has shred, remember?
And that is why other tanks a class well known for their armor penetration capability like Yasuo never build AD.
The Highest Noon1 votesIt's more like with my reasoning that Garen has not only target-access tools allowing him to truck through the competition and damage mitigate regardless of the items his builds, Garen is a tank.
I get that anybody can build tank, but Garen is intrinsically built to tank.
Jamaree2 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NYzxO01z,comment-id=00000000000000030000,timestamp=2018-08-04T17:37:55.306+0000)
It's more like with my reasoning that Garen has not only target-access tools allowing him to truck through the competition and damage mitigate regardless of the items his builds, Garen is a tank.
I get that anybody can build tank, but Garen is intrinsically built to tank.
That isn’t how tanks work.
The Highest Noon1 votesThat isn’t how tanks work.
And you don't have the authority to decide that, Riot does. And in Riot's own ideology regarding how a specific role is played, Garen is a tank.
If that's all, can we stop discussing this now? xD Too many comments for me to deal with!
Sona Ping2 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NYzxO01z,comment-id=0000000000000003000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-04T17:51:02.807+0000)
And you don't have the authority to decide that, Riot does. And in Riot's own ideology regarding how a specific role is played, Garen is a tank.
If that's all, can we stop discussing this now? xD Too many comments for me to deal with!
..."ideology"? What?
Whatever. But if we were to accept that and talk about what Riot says:
Riot explicitly stated he is a "Juggernaut", whatever that means, it is put by Riot as a subclass of "Fighters" which is distinct from the section of quote "Tanks".
BeatzBoyFTW2 votesYou're describing a Juggernaut. A champion that can take in tons of hits & deals his own individual damage but lacks the amount of team CC he needs for his team.
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