Who beats the raidboss 6 items darius

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ONLY melee champions

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ModWulf Helhammer3 votes

Rule number 1 of fighting juggernauts:

DON'T. FIGHT. THEM. ALONE.

PermabannedGaren1 votes

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Rule number 1 of fighting juggernauts:

DON'T. FIGHT. THEM. ALONE.

Plenty of champions can dunk on a Darius one on one late game.

Tryndamere Jax MasterYi Warwick Yasuo Fiora XinZhao Aatrox Nasus Mordekaiser Trundle Cassiopeia Vayne Yorick Kayle Singed

I'm not 100% on all of these, but the first four definitely destroy Darius 1v1 late game. It's not even close.

paperbIade1 votes

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Plenty of champions can dunk on a Darius one on one late game.

Tryndamere Jax MasterYi Warwick Yasuo Fiora XinZhao Aatrox Nasus Mordekaiser Trundle Cassiopeia Vayne Yorick Kayle Singed

I'm not 100% on all of these, but the first four definitely destroy Darius 1v1 late game. It's not even close.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7geMncgcWE

PermabannedGaren1 votes

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7geMncgcWE

That video is ancient, and without knowing items it is worthless besides.

HorusEye3 votes

That's old Darius, so it doesn't count at all.

DarkLordArbitur1 votes
  1. Old Darius doesn't count.
  2. That jax isn't attacking nearly as fast as he could be. I would have wiped the floor with that Darius at full build.
Shikigami2 votes

Warwick at 6 items can. So can anyone really who has sustain/attack speed. If they outheal his initial burst they'll never be low enough for guillotine.

DarkLordArbitur1 votes

AP off-tank Warwick would eat him for breakfast...XD

The Sword Saint2 votes

Fiora, Jax, tryndamere, aatrox, nocturne, rengar, shyvanna, skarner, shen, others already mentioned and more...

L Psy Kongroo1 votes

Trundle Mordekaiser MasterYi and probably Yorick (if he's got ult)

This is assuming all are also 6 items.

Tychusfindlay9191 votes

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Trundle Mordekaiser MasterYi and probably Yorick (if he's got ult)

This is assuming all are also 6 items.

With the exception of master yi, those are all skill matchups late game (trundle is favored for as long as his ult lasts, without it hes fucking useless against darius).

Talisid1 votes

Pretty much any 5 tank item build on a champ that has a built in attack speed steroid and a BORK will just chew though him and heal faster than he can deal with. Vi, Rek'Sai, Udyr, Fiora, Volibear, etc.

Also 6 item Illaoi 1v1 against anybody without mobility is laughable. Iceborn + 40% CDR means you will never dodge a tentacle.

Joseph Gladstone1 votes

hehe

paperbIade1 votes

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hehe

wat

Joseph Gladstone1 votes

nvm

DarkLordArbitur1 votes

The dude's name is Dunkin Darius. Are you dense?

Tychusfindlay9191 votes

Typically attack speed oriented bruisers like: Jax, aatrox, Xin Zhao, udyr (depending on build), bruiser build master yi (basically so long as he has at least a steraks) can all safely duel darius and beat him

Other juggernauts struggle against darius. Assassins struggle because they cannot snipe darius and he can retaliate heavily once the assassin has everything on cd.

No tank, in the game, that's right, not a single tank can duel darius late game. It's simply a typical LAW of the juggernaut v tank duel matchup.

The only time darius can hope to achieve anything against AS bruisers is if they run flash tp or flash smite and darius is running ghost flash (the ghost would allow him to kite AS bruisers while consistently using decimate so that he can more safely get to noxian might where he actually can fight these counters). If the AS bruiser also takes ghost flash with darius then it goes back to them being able to very safely duel him to death.

On the other hand, darius usually has a way better teamfight late game than the above mentioned champions due to his incredibly strong aoe and healing capabilities and his moderate but very reliable cc.

paperbIade1 votes

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Typically attack speed oriented bruisers like: Jax, aatrox, Xin Zhao, udyr (depending on build), bruiser build master yi (basically so long as he has at least a steraks) can all safely duel darius and beat him

Other juggernauts struggle against darius. Assassins struggle because they cannot snipe darius and he can retaliate heavily once the assassin has everything on cd.

No tank, in the game, that's right, not a single tank can duel darius late game. It's simply a typical LAW of the juggernaut v tank duel matchup.

The only time darius can hope to achieve anything against AS bruisers is if they run flash tp or flash smite and darius is running ghost flash (the ghost would allow him to kite AS bruisers while consistently using decimate so that he can more safely get to noxian might where he actually can fight these counters). If the AS bruiser also takes ghost flash with darius then it goes back to them being able to very safely duel him to death.

On the other hand, darius usually has a way better teamfight late game than the above mentioned champions due to his incredibly strong aoe and healing capabilities and his moderate but very reliable cc.

jax and aatrox cant bulid for penetration to counter darius armor and magic resist

Tychusfindlay9191 votes

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jax and aatrox cant bulid for penetration to counter darius armor and magic resist

When you have 2.5 attack speed, %hp damage (aatrox's like bork), a shitload of AD, and a passive that bonerkills noxian guillotine, you can fuck darius over.

Aatrox in his current state is still a premier dueler late game. It's just that his teamfight is so fucking garbo that it makes nasus look like a teamfight god.

As for jax, he has everything aatrox has minus the passive but gains a kickass dodge autos and crippling strike ability along with an ultimate that makes him very annoying to whittle down for the kill. His leaping strike is super spammable and can be used to dodge decimate over and over late game.

The biggest nuisance for darius however is xin zhao, holy shit that guy counters darius so fucking hard.

paperbIade1 votes

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When you have 2.5 attack speed, %hp damage (aatrox's like bork), a shitload of AD, and a passive that bonerkills noxian guillotine, you can fuck darius over.

Aatrox in his current state is still a premier dueler late game. It's just that his teamfight is so fucking garbo that it makes nasus look like a teamfight god.

As for jax, he has everything aatrox has minus the passive but gains a kickass dodge autos and crippling strike ability along with an ultimate that makes him very annoying to whittle down for the kill. His leaping strike is super spammable and can be used to dodge decimate over and over late game.

The biggest nuisance for darius however is xin zhao, holy shit that guy counters darius so fucking hard.

Blade of the ruined king percent health damage gets destroyed by armor

Tychusfindlay9191 votes

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Blade of the ruined king percent health damage gets destroyed by armor

And the insane attacking speed of these champions makes up for it and nullifies armor.

Darius has to build for both enemy mages and ADCs in a game, a split pusher like aatrox can just build pure freaking damage. Darius doesn't have the luxury to just itemize a metric shitload of armor.

paperbIade1 votes

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And the insane attacking speed of these champions makes up for it and nullifies armor.

Darius has to build for both enemy mages and ADCs in a game, a split pusher like aatrox can just build pure freaking damage. Darius doesn't have the luxury to just itemize a metric shitload of armor.

do you want to do a custom game 1v1 then

Tychusfindlay9191 votes

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do you want to do a custom game 1v1 then

You're bronze, I'm in platinum 1.

I'm a darius one trick.

I know him more than you ever will know him. However, should you choose to continue this idiocy, I won't mind doing a 1v1 this weekend.

We both farm to level 18 and 6 items, I'll pick from either: Aatrox XinZhao or Jax

The darius must build at least a item 3065 item 3111 to reflect the diversity of damage one would encounter in a typical 5v5 setting.

paperbIade1 votes

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You're bronze, I'm in platinum 1.

I'm a darius one trick.

I know him more than you ever will know him. However, should you choose to continue this idiocy, I won't mind doing a 1v1 this weekend.

We both farm to level 18 and 6 items, I'll pick from either: Aatrox XinZhao or Jax

The darius must build at least a item 3065 item 3111 to reflect the diversity of damage one would encounter in a typical 5v5 setting.

pick jax

Tychusfindlay9191 votes

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pick jax

Mmmm youre scared and want the spirit visage and merc treads to not be completely useless. Fine with me.

paperbIade1 votes

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Mmmm youre scared and want the spirit visage and merc treads to not be completely useless. Fine with me.

no it because I play a lot of jax and don't care about aatrox or xin zhao

Tychusfindlay9191 votes

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no it because I play a lot of jax and don't care about aatrox or xin zhao

You'll be playing darius. After all, you're the one implying that he can fuck over any melee. By saying Jax, you're asking me to play jax.

paperbIade1 votes

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You'll be playing darius. After all, you're the one implying that he can fuck over any melee. By saying Jax, you're asking me to play jax.

added you

DarkLordArbitur1 votes

Shit, just build like a complete psychopath. Guinsoo's, Nashor's, R-Hydra, Bork, Wit's End, Gunblade. This guy's bronze, and it should provide some amusement for you to build full damage and just delete him.

paperbIade1 votes

{quoted}

You're bronze, I'm in platinum 1.

I'm a darius one trick.

I know him more than you ever will know him. However, should you choose to continue this idiocy, I won't mind doing a 1v1 this weekend.

We both farm to level 18 and 6 items, I'll pick from either: Aatrox XinZhao or Jax

The darius must build at least a item 3065 item 3111 to reflect the diversity of damage one would encounter in a typical 5v5 setting.

Friday or Saturday

DarkLordArbitur1 votes

Basically you're naming champions that would love to build Guinsoo's Rageblade, and if playing Aatrox, that means on top of bork, building Ravenous Hydra is extremely effective on him, and the only counter Darius would have to that is building a Frozen Heart or a Randuin's Omen. Frozen Heart is suboptimal on Darius due to its' lack of synergy with the rest of his kit, and Randuin's Omen's second passive becomes utterly useless against a champion that doesn't build crit. Basically, unless Darius builds to counter the lifesteal, Aatrox will not go below 50% HP, and then once Guinsoo's starts doing its' thing, Darius will be hard pressed to keep Aatrox anything other than topped off. Not to mention, as a champion, Aatrox (in lower ELOs at least) can build Guinsoo's, run full attack speed+lifesteal page, and run all 4 lifesteal items and Death's Dance, and as long as he doesn't eat hard CC, can 1v3. He can also solo Rift Herald with just Guinsoo's and a Vamp Scepter. I know. I've done it. I then used it to continue snowballing the lead I had on the Riven.

TeemoXNidalee1 votes

Duh it depends on the items they build

DarkLordArbitur1 votes

Where to start? Xin Zhao Aatrox Irelia Rammus Hecarim Jax Master Yi Evelynn Illaoi Mordekaiser Garen Pantheon Renekton Olaf Shyvana Vi Warwick Wukong Yasuo

All these champions have plenty of capacity to easily beat Darius in a fair fight. Whether it be through a True damage execute (Garen) or straight up combat stat stacking (Jax/Xin Zhao), all these champions can and will eat Darius for breakfast in a fair fight. Your "Raid Boss" is no more threatening to me as baron is to any of the AD champions I have at my disposal. And yes, I regularly solo baron for fun.

Tychusfindlay9191 votes

Question in the OP has been answered. We set up a custom game where the OP and I (me playing the champ Jax and the OP playing my OTP main Darius) farmed to level 18/6 items and we dueled it out. The outcome was a victory for the champ with over 50% HP remaining.

Jax can and safely outscales darius very hard in dueling situations. Raidboss typically assumes a willingness and eagerness to get into duels/skirmishes alone, so yeah, jax usually shits on raidboss darius.

Late game, darius is best played hugging his team and threatening the opposing team with his incredibly good teamfight capabilities, not dueling the likes of champions like the champ.

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