Ranked Needs Team Builder

Zanshien··24 votes·2,107 views

Team Builder is a great concept that needs further developement and integration into LoL, first let's talk about why.

The biggest reason team builder needs to replace the current way summoners queue is that it helps bridge the disparity between LoL's core concept (team based strategy game) with its most inherent contradiction (the fact that the game is played by the individual). In professional League (the game's penultimate state) you have a top, jungler, support, adc and mid laner and they are played by a top, jungler, support, adc and mid lane player. In solo queue this is not the case, the odds of you getting into a lobby where five strangers just happen to get their main role is extremely slim, this can lead to unfun games, frustration, and toxicity.

I've almost never had a toxic game while playing with team builder and I feel there are several reasons for this. First, when you're in a role you like on a champion that you enjoy playing, even if you're losing, you most often are still having fun. Second, when everyone is playing their main role it also means that the games are more competitive, rarely will you be paired up with someone in an unfimiliar situation (unless they got on team builder to test out a new champ) which means less frustrating blow out games. Third, when you find yourself on your champ you are in your own carry position, that means that you aren't just trying to survive in a role you were forced into while you watch and hope that your team is going to carry you. I feel that the last one can be the most frustrating and the most toxic inducing, watching someone take your role and fail miserably with it while you're just trying not to die in top lane.

With Team Builder every solo queue game becomes a professional style scrim, not a rag tag compromise where a set of players have to be stuffed into a team together with the hope that they'll be compatible.

Now let's talk about how.

Right now team builder has you pick your lane, champion, summoners and runes/masteries before you get into the room, this is mainly what prevents it from having a ranked queue and is also wholly unnecessary. With ranked team builder all you do is pick your lane (or lanes) that you want to play and it the puts you onto your team.

Another time consuming thing about team builder right now is that every member of the team needs to hit "ready" before the game starts. Since it would now have a pick/ban phase clicking "ready" to make sure nobody is AFK would no longer be necessary. Having this lobby system also has the added benefit of being able to boot someone pre-game, if you've got two people arguing over nonsense (or someone with a bad reputation) they can be vote-kicked and forced to requeu, this would just take you to the lobby screen again until that spot was filled. There might be the thought that this would add too much time to getting into game but the only thing it adds is a small period of time where you're in a pre-pick/ban lobby (What would this add? 30 seconds?). Keep in mind the long wait times currently associated with team builder wouldn't exist because it wouldn't be competing with another queue, it would be THE ranked queue.

Let me know what the community thinks and if I'm overlooking a giant flaw in my plan, I really think that Riot should be looking to this as the future of ranked solo queue.

19 Comments

Konidias2 votes

Yeah... queue times would be outrageously long because rarely does anyone actually want to play Support... So you'd have like

30% mid 30% top 18% jng 17% adc 5% sup

You'd need something like Blah described... maybe like two lists. One of preferred roles, ranking from top to bottom in order of most preferred. Another list where you can put roles you don't want to play at all. So you are never stuck in a role you don't want to play.

For me it would go Mid/Top/Adc as preferred and then Jng/Sup as don't want to play. Then the game would try to put me in a mid position, if none found, a top, if none found, adc... if none found... then it would just put me in a waiting list.

NotDevan1 votes

I'm hoping they'll get something like this out early in Season 5. It's definitely doable.

His Tits1 votes

Hey, I kinda added to your proposal unintentionally, can you see if this may be a good addition? http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/summoners-rift/NTbtqt8X-suggestion-ranked-teambuilder-with-ranked-positions

Raptamei3 votes

Hey, I kinda added to your proposal unintentionally, can you see if this may be a good addition? http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/summoners-rift/NTbtqt8X-suggestion-ranked-teambuilder-with-ranked-positions

Forget role selection, Riot would say no because they say they don't enforce the meta.

His Tits1 votes

Edits and helpful suggestions influenced by commentators:

These ranks would not contribute to end of season rewards - RizenLazarus

These ranks will also be private as in only you can see your own individual ranks to prevent comparisons and comparisons of the privates

Understandable, but if you read my extended proposal, the ranked teambuilder would only serve as an indication of skill for a certain role. The ranks would be intrinsically worthless and only viewable by you the player. I only stated that they are ranked because once again the mode is just a measurement of skill rather than competition for every role. I appreciate your sentiment but I must respectfully disagree with your statement. Thank you and have an upvote.

Overly Manly Man1 votes

That would be fantastic! I stopped playing ranked games for things like "solo mid or I feed"...

The only thing to worry about would be people kicking other players just to play with some friend that's also waiting to play solo/duo, therefore playing like a "trio" or something like that...

But I really think Riot should do it!

(and also that we could quit a game if someone is afk for more than 5 mins, shared minion gold and shared champ kill xp, all sup would be so happy not to be flamed / poor all the time! But that's not the topic subject... =P )

Hi lm Kalista1 votes

people still do that, Trundle really?

Raptamei1 votes

(and also that we could quit a game if someone is afk for more than 5 mins, shared minion gold and shared champ kill xp, all sup would be so happy not to be flamed / poor all the time! But that's not the topic subject... =P )

Bad idea, then the teammate feeding at the other side of the map makes YOUR experience worse.

Lt Cuddles1 votes

Or...just enable loss prevention for the team with afkers.

Ryvaku1 votes

Well if this was put into the game I can expect tougher games since a lot of teams of 5 would love to use this. Though I would like to see this to get more friends for Ranked.

Forest Gem1 votes

Sounds like a way to make ranked more enjoyable. Just pick your preferred role and lane and then be placed in a team. Go through the ban and pick phases and there wouldn't be too much problem. I would go for it, since the few games I've done ranked have been hell for me. Get stuck in a lane I can't do against a champ I don't normally see, stuck with a carry who won't even try to push, etc. Something like this would reduce instances of toxicity, which is certainly a problem in ranked.

Dehorn1 votes

only if its separate from normal ranked stats. removing picks and bans makes this a completely different game. so you would have team builder ranked, normal ranked, and team ranked... nah.

Mikal Pikal2 votes

You did not read the post apparently. The suggestion included a pick/ban phase, but allowed players to queue for a certain role.

Poro Support1 votes

You did not read the post apparently. The suggestion included a pick/ban phase, but allowed players to queue for a certain role.

It's just a a Role Selection then, and no longer team builder. However the inherent problems that the OP tried to point out as a positive, are still there in team builder. People DO use it as first time role selections, so there will STILL be first time X role in the "ranked" portion of Team Builder. There's no way to restrict that fairly.

Secondly, it'd have it's own ranked queue which means they'd have to give rewards just for that ranked mode, which isn't probably going to happen.

Team Builder is fun the way it's designed - If you try and apply ranked to it, it loses it's original purpose - "To play what you want."

Furthermore - Ranked is a testament to your skills as a player. Now, don't get me wrong - there's a lot of "one trick pony" players who only play one champion - but even in another role they're still playing that one champion. If you're not able to get said role, you shouldn't be a burden to your team just because "I suck at jungle". You're still going to be expected to contribute - and if you can't, then why are you in a competitive mode?

Please, don't try and change Team Builder into another ranked. If you really want to play one role, try and find a 5s team. There's loads of players on the forums here and other places that are constantly looking for people.

Edit : Ignoring horrific queue times aside (Because everyone wants mid/top it seems), what happens when you get in to champ select and that one guy is like "Yeah I totally rock Sona Jungle man. Her clear times are godlike". Now in Team Builder as soon as most players see that, they're going to dodge requeue and you're left sitting there for another 10 minutes depending on MMR waiting for that role to fill. In draft mode (since that's what your proposing essentially just with a role select), you won't see that until you get into champ select.

No free dodges / find another team button there. That ALONE makes it worth not having Team Builder in ranked.

AmazingGoat1 votes

I think queuing for ranked by role sounds great but I am not sure if it is doable based on pick diversity. At lower ELOs, queue times for top/mid would be REALLY long I suspect. At extremely high ELOs, where queue times are already long, they would get even longer. Maybe you should be able to queue with a first preference and then order your preference for the other roles, and the game assigns you to a role.

Gunpoint1 votes

What if meta changed, and suddenly double jungle was always played, would Team builder settings have to change too? summoner 11

mikeylee24241 votes

No, a captain would just ask for 2 jungles.

The Oasis1 votes

If they do this hopefully it'll have better matchmaking than the current team builder. Sick of getting paired against diamonds every game.

NoMonku1 votes

This can work potentially, but I feel it would require the complete removal of the old system if you wanted to have moderate queue times. I queue up for team builder at night occasionally, around now and I still have to wait 10 minutes sometimes as a SUPPORT, which was considered the most "wanted" role at that time. I would personally like this, but I don't think RIOT would do this. To me it basically makes it a 5v5 ranked without the pick/ban phase and priority order. Also I feel this could lead to more raging, as people who "picked" their role who might play poorly, can get griefed by their team harder because that was THEIR choice and they blew it. Though that doesn't really change too much from the way immature people act now, I feel the rage/hate towards individuals who pick roles and lose could be WORSE in the new system.

*Note: I am not against this, I am actually for it, just trying to think of downsides.

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