Why is riot's matchmaking so bad?

Caboose2569··13 votes·11,675 views

Ever since I reached level 30 I've had a horrible matchmaking experience.

Could it be my normal MMR? I have mixed thoughts about it because as of now my W/L is both somewhere in the 600's with more losses than wins.

Regardless, every game is looking like this : Our team :

  • 5 man queue (with me and my friends who are mostly unranked or just got to level 30)

Their team :

  • Silvers, rarely EVER any unranks/below level 30, Golds, the occasional plat players, and every now and then some diamonds

Another thought, is it because of pre-season? Where is the "pick on someone your own size" logic?

Game #1 = A game where I decided to play by myself to see what it was like playing without my friends. Fair and balanced wouldn't you say?

Game #2 = A casual game with my buds in a 5 man, note that Blitzcrank is unranked and level 21!

Game #3 = 3 Unranks, 2 now rankes and they have a plat and a diamond! Yay I love this game!

Game #4 = Gold, Plat, Diamond on their team while we had someone not even level 30 yet on my team.

Why are these examples all losses? Because I RARELY ever win a game with a gold+ on their team. Can anyone explain this to me?

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31 Comments

NiceGuyGood8 votes

I was playing on another account I have which is silver 5 and i had 6 games in a row where I was solo and had several plat players on enemy team and even a diamond ranked player I had zero fun playing the games getting smashed in lane learned nothing and had a terrible experience lol their matchmaking is terrible in normals and i wouldn't be surprised if it was on purpose to try and force people to play ranked its bs. Honestly it makes me want to stop playing league.

Moetaro2 votes

This.

OediLOL4 votes

I'm starting to believe Riot don't care about people that play for fun, I) think they do nothing real to solve the problem posed by people going AFK and wasting all other's time, and NOW I'm starting to feel the Matchmaking system is broken, I have played more than 5 games and in all them I kill my lane oponent, even solo bot, and at a certain point I can even be 18 and some people on my team is 14 or so, then enemy team starts to focus me and we lose. Again and again is impossible to be any real Matchmaking system. There have been a game where all enemies were 18, I was 18 and people on my team was 14. IF the Matchmaking system did is work those players had to be divided, not all in my team. I feel that Riot does a good job for sure for the top players, but I would like to see anything real to all players, the guy that tryes hard only to lose because most of the games someone goes AFK, or Matchmaking system puts a bunch of bad players to same team. TY

Breezeagle2 votes

Matchmaking's purpose in this game isn't to give you fair games, it's to make you play as long as possbile. A lot of people set a goal for themselves at the start of the season (i.e. I wanted to climb to Plat this season). If the matchmaking wanted to give me fair games, it would only consider ranks, not some hidden rating. MMR will skyrocket when you go on a win streak, hence why after you tend to go on a losing streak, because you'll be playing with people who have the same MMR as you. Lately I found this to be a huge issue. I'll queue up for a game and check my team using op.gg. A lot of times I'll have Silvers playing against Plats. Personally, I think that's massively unfair, even if their MMR rating is similair. Those Silvers are playing against people who are more than one whole division higher on the ladder than them. I'm Gold 2 at the moment and this problem has been a huge factor in so many of the recent games

ThaweeOo4 votes

Hey everyone, just wanted to bump this thread in hopes someone in riot is willing to read it and talk about it in the next meeting, and say hey what about balancing the matchmaking system before we come out with new champs or anything else really.

ThaweeOo4 votes

I just realized that this thread started over a year ago, are you kidding me. Has anyone from riot even bothered to read this post? Shame on you riot for knowing about an issue for this long and done nothing about it.

nigerian hokage4 votes

I am a bronze V player who is suffering the results of Riot's poor matchmaking system. My MMR is all sorts of messed up for who reasons that are unknown to me and the people that I queue up with. Recently I have been struggling to climb because of recent placements with summoners that have not even obtained level 30. Just yesterday I was matched with a level 8. It seemed weird at first but I learned to let it go. Although I have been playing ranked a lot more recently. I hit 100 Lp and advanced to my promotion series. I ended up losing my series due to riot matching me with someone with a recent history of afk/leaving game. The problem is not that I was matched with the summoner, it is the fact that I am frequently matched with these type of players in the game mode I take very seriously.

Dominick Destine2 votes

Unranked games are just for fooling around/having fun/trying out new strategies. Normals are not ARAM-level of nonsense, but they're not meant to be taken seriously.... calm down.

Anyway if you want a more controlled environment with balance as a main objective; Play ranked.

Caboose25697 votes

Regardless if a normal game should be taken serious or not, it doesn't change the fact that I want to win. Also, are you saying that Ranked's matchmaking is more balanced than Normals even though they more or less have MMR included?

Dominick Destine3 votes

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Ranked's matchmaking is more balanced than Normals even though they more or less have MMR included?

You are using the metric of ranked brackets (Ex: Silver) and in the same proverbial breath you are dismissing the brackets. Maybe you should try not to contradict yourself within the same thread or at least within the same post.

Ranked has much more balanced matchmaking than normals. That is an absolute. Normals are not on the level of ARAM Chaos but they are pretty close, they're just for fun, for messing around, for trying new builds, etc.

Moetaro6 votes

There's no fun in playing unfair games. NONE.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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There's no fun in playing unfair games. NONE.

Some men just want to see the world moetaro.

Anyway, normals are just for fun.

Boxolo3 votes

Normal mode is called NORMAL because it's a NORMAL game, not a fun game, not a troll game.. NORMAL.. that perception that it's just a fun mode, don't take it seriously, is just made up by players and it's bs

Dominick Destine1 votes

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Some men just want to see the world moetaro.

Oh man the above quoted is amazing.

Sometimes I'm too spectacular even for myself.

Normal mode is called NORMAL because it's a NORMAL game

A more accurate term for how it is viewed should be an "UNRANKED" game, which is basically a testing ground for new strategies and garbage characters.

Truli911 votes

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Unranked games are just for fooling around/having fun/trying out new strategies. Normals are not ARAM-level of nonsense, but they're not meant to be taken seriously.... calm down.

Anyway if you want a more controlled environment with balance as a main objective; Play ranked.

no. some people take normals serious. why is so hard to understand that? and some pp dont want this bad matchmaking in normals which is not hard to fix.

SavageHorse2 votes

The fact that I am gold 4 and my mmr is higher than the average for gold 4 and it matches me up with bronze 2 and unranked can just say a lot :) Riot please fix it because I am losing a lot of games because of your match making! For example last game I was jhin and my blitzcrank was bronze 2.... He was missing every single hook and when the enemy adc which is gold engaged us he would just stay in the bush and write you are shit and that sort of harasment... I mean he should be matched based on his league rank and stuff... He had no job in that game else than just stay and write about how bad we were -.-

ThaweeOo2 votes

Here is another example of why match making isn't good. Plaid against a team that was so much worse than ours they didn't even get half the kills that we did and offered no real resistance. How can I be proud of myself or my accomplishments if I am paired against players that don't even know they champs. World of Warcraft got the hint to some degree with raids by creating a trails test that you must complete to raid or to even be consider for a raid. Maybe riot should do something like that so that ranked play isn't full of people who don't even understand the basic to mid capabilities of their champs. DO NOT IGNORE US RIOT WE PAY U MONEY. If problems aren't fixed we will find other games to play and spend our money on!

disregardable1 votes

It's normal to see a drop in winrate right after you hit 30. You're being put against players that have been playing a lot longer than you. It'll adjust sooner than than later.

Caboose25693 votes

Oh I forgot to mention I hit level 30 4 years ago and ever since LoLNexus has been around with the new ranked system I've had this issue, but since my newly joined friends that are not level 30 started playing League they already want to quit or avoid playing with me because they go against people 4 ranks above them and not to mention level 30.

shyv1 votes

me and a couple of my friends who are plat / diamond have terrible normals mmr because we always fuck around in norms and do stupid shit. probably the same as them.

chezwickcheese1 votes

Yeah its pretty messed up. Just lost a blind normal vs a 4 man pre-made (1 random) all with project skins and a team name vs our 5 man made of randoms. How is that even fair? Fix it.

Caboose25691 votes
Alanski1 votes

On average, if you play many games, I think it will balance out. :)

ThaweeOo1 votes

I want to toss my two sense in on this debate. I have been playing league for about 6 months. I disagree that the games are in any way balanced. the point of the game is to be placed with ppl that are your equal as best it can be, so you can feel challenged, but also feel like you have a chance at winning. I have gone through so many games where the opponent stomps our team like no other, and I have had many games where we steam role them. I have very few games that I feel we are equally matched or even in the same ball park. To point out when u get steam rolled or you are the roller your IP awarded is about the same, so what does this do for anyone when all u do is grind out matches but learn nothing because the people u play against are so much better or worse than u.

To comment on if you want a more balanced system play ranked that is simply not true, Rank is worse than norms ( at least in bronze ). Now i am stuck in bronze 5 because I have no friends that play the game, and I can't find decent people to play with. I understand my personal skill has a lot to do with it, but when u invest the time i have into learning how to play the game correctly with NO help from anyone it gets very frustrating when you watch Q grinders die over and over again and then u die trying to support them so they don't throw the game for u which brings me to my next point that which is you get put with people that can't even execute basic game knowledge, and trail in 1 by 1 getting slaughtered showing no game knowledge of priority targeting or anything.

i don't think someone that just hits 30 should be able to play ranked in fact, I think ranked should be reserved for people that have at least a mastery 6 on their champ, so you know they have a solid understanding of how to play their champ. I can't tell you how many times i watched people practice their champs in a ranked game. You can just see it they don't have the knowledge or reaction time to take advantage of a good opportunity..

I would imagine that riot has enough statistical data on how good people are to place them fairly don't u agree?

the question being posed is why isn't this fixed yet. Riot work for us, and I don't see a down side to fixing this MAJOR issue. It will only lead to a happier player base, and a feeling of fairness when being placed. I love playing with people that understand the game because you move as one, and it is very poetic.

As a final note: If you think the match making system is fair in ranked or norms then u have not been apart of a 15+ game loosing streak where u watch everyone around u basically go "OOo Shiny" and zone out.

Moetaro1 votes

Normals are a fuckfest. Dont ever expect a decent game in normal mode. Never ever. Whenever you play a normal game solo, just take into account that you are gambling.

ThaweeOo1 votes

Hey guys, Yet another bump. Got paired with a player that didn't remember to take smite as jg in a ranked game, and when we mentioned for him to go to lane, so he could lvl he kept running the jg like it was the right thing to do. PLEASE FIX THIS. I am going to keep posting in this forum constantly from here out about all the issues that come up with poor match making.

ThaweeOo1 votes

Hey, just me on my vigilant rant again. Was placed with a group of people who didn't have the ability execute any basic skills. Had 1 feeder that tapped out at over 10 deaths in a 25 min game. Had an adc that wasn't even able to preform decent trades in bot lane. I really want to see this thread addressed and this fixed in game play.. riot has the ability to fix this, but they think it works just enough to not focus on it. THIS IS SIMPLY not true. The match making system is so flawed. I would even be willing to donate time to help with creating a new match making system.. One that works!

DrTrickTickler1 votes

Ranked match making is not any better then normals. i went 50w - 2L to climb from b4 to silver 2. After that climb RIOT is clearly just trolling me to #@#$^! and back again! Of my last 36 ranked games i have yet to have a bot lane that can get a pos KDA. I'm not talking like oh they went 8-9 or hell even 9-15 im talking pure utter inting garbage bs bot lanes giving up 20+ kills combined in less then 10 mins!!!!!! RIOT STOP FUCKING TROLLING ME AND MY MMR ENOUGH IS ENOUGH I HAVE FALLEN NOW FROM GOLD 3 MMR TO SILVER 5 I'M NO WHINER BUT C MON THIS IS GETTING WAY TO OBVIOUS NOW. I have had to hard carry every gd Fu!@#$ game i have won this season and I give up im done! I stay positive, I win my lanes, but you cant carry the shit i have been getting over and over and over again. just by pure probability i shoulod have gotten a bot lane that can not feed their asses off!!!! Fu@# you RIOT. I lost my promos due to two inting teemos in a row same guy twice in a row first game he went 0-16 running to enemy adc everyone reported him. second game he went 1-10 running to enemy adc and again everyone reported him. I got no notification he was punished for this after doing so and I have been literally chat banned for saying "stop playing stupid mid lane and farm" yet a guy can do that shit and not get perma-banned riot you make me sick!!!!!!!!! plz STOP TROLLING MY ACCNT RIOT I'M CALLING UNCLE ALREADY! TELL THE SICK MOTHER FU!@# WHO SITS THERE AND SAYS OH LETS GIVE HIM THIS 29% WIN RATIO ADC AND THE ENEMY TEAM A 68% ONE TO GO SUCK A FAT DICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jayce Top1 votes

Git Gud

The Deckowner1 votes

5 man premade means the system will match you against higher mmr enemy to balance out the advantage of being in premade.

theseapea1 votes

Riot trolls. That and they expect you to pay them for doing so. GG.

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