WHY IS TENACITY A THING?????

REMOVE TENACITY··1 votes·1,278 views

Shouldn't players be punished for overstepping?? Shouldn't champions who stun from fog of war or from fancy flash engages be rewarded with a combo followup? Many champions, ESPECIALLY control mages RELY on landing their crowd controls. We are in a season where some select champions can go well over 500 movespeed near permanently with one ability. It's already bad enough that it's 100x harder to land skillshots on them when they move that fast but the ONE or TWO times in the game you do finally land the crowd control, they still walk away because of item 3111 stacked with champion tenacity or rune tenacity.

Like when I play Veigar I have to overstep into the enemies trade range when I catch them with my E wall. I win the trade normally because I can input my Q,W in sync with my stun duration.

When people buy item 3111 for a mere 1100g now suddenly when I catch an enemy with my wall, THEY are the ones moving freely when I'm about to followup with my Q,W combo and I get punished for THEM overstepping into my wall. This is not fucking fair. For 1100g you can pretty much delete my E. I basically only have Q,W, and R to land against someone who is already running permanently at 500+ movespeed.

You want to know what the crowd goes wild over? When someone gets caught and rightfully combo'd for it. item 3111 rewards players WAY too well for only 1100g. It not only makes you 2-3 tiers higher at positioning EVEN THOUGH you get caught the same amount of times, but it also pretty much deletes any control mages ONE reliable crowd control.

Is there even any Item I can buy to restore the duration of my Crowd Control? NOPE. I just have to play 2-3 tiers higher and hope my skillshots can 100 to 0 someone with item 3111 . Or at this point can't even focus that player even though they may be an important target to take down in every fight.

That's the game we play. This is our current status. We have champions who have no escapes and 1 slow ability or 1 stun ability who just become 100% irrelevant the moment someone takes tenacity runes or buys item 3111 .

Why do you guys bait players into falling in love with a champions lores and skins when that SAME champion becomes irrelevant the moment this item is bought??? There's literally no item that I can build to counter that. All anyone can say is "well you shouldn't have been interested in that champion, just play someone else. It's too bad you invested months of practice into that one champion that looked really cool but yeah, you don't matter in this current Season and possibly the future seasons."

Sincerely, very frustrated and mentally burnt out Veigar player from Season 1 who can't keep a single account because he tilts every time someone walks into Veigar Wall and leaves the stunned position BEFORE THE Q W COMBO CAN EVEN DROP...

Edit: I hope CertainlyT ruins the game even more to the point you forum trolls jerking eachother off end up finding another game.

34 Comments

Woodakoodashooda6 votes

Alright, I've read through the OP's posts and here is what their complaint boils down to in a nut shell.

"I one trick Veigar, get rid of tenacity so I can one trick Veigar better"

Edit: I suggest we stop posting to this topic. THe OP is an attention seeking troll as made apparent by their reply to every post

REMOVE TENACITY1 votes

It would seem that way but think about all the champions into detail who get cucked for catching players out but the skill animations dont hit on time due to tenacity. Ahri Anivia Annie Ashe AurelionSol Bard Brand Cassiopeia Chogath Elise Evelynn Fiddlesticks Galio Heimerdinger Karthus Kennen Leblanc Lux Malzahar Morgana etc.. etc.. it's not a Veigar exclusive thing. Meanwhile you have Udyr running laps around the entire map with item 3111 and countless youtube videos of him being memed with Initial D eurobeat.

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Also I really hate how dismissive this response is. You didn't bring any suggestion, you just came with insults like you do to every other post you browse.

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Even if I replaced Veigar with let's say Annie or Lux or some other champion your response would've likely been "Alright, I've read through the OP's posts and here is what their complaint boils down to in a nut shell. "I play a champion, get rid of tenacity so I can play champion better". Absolutely no feedback, just purely here for comedic appraisal through the misfortunes of others as a common trait found in society today.

REMOVE TENACITY1 votes

https://youtu.be/EnBdGTX3vZc this pretty much sums it up.

Kai Guy2 votes

Damm... You got 4 replys from the op for this.

Woodakoodashooda3 votes

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

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haters gonna hate

REMOVE TENACITY1 votes

I'm glad you encourage him to be the asshole he is today. Good job Kai! Your parents are proud of you :^)

Kai Guy1 votes

Are you being serious here and desire to be treated in good faith? I can make the attempt for that if you want.

But take a step back and look at my perspective. Is that what your behavior suggests?

Lets make 2 possible options for if you want a conversation on the topic in good faith If yes, Please understand that its required on your end to do the same. If no, then Chills comment is just a statement reflecting truth rather then anything assholish.

Your reply is 100% on you and will reflect your intent.

Humb1e Rumb1e3 votes

Shouldn't everything have counter option? Especially CC in meta where seconds are difference between life and death.

REMOVE TENACITY1 votes

What's the counter to tenacity though? Tenacity makes a large pool of champions dysfunctional the moment it's purchased. It's only 1100g.

Humb1e Rumb1e1 votes

What's the counter to tenacity though?

Champions that dont rely on hitting cc.

REMOVE TENACITY1 votes

That's where the problem is though. Everyone who invested time into learning a champion they found interesting gets thrown out the window.

Freewalker1 votes

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That's where the problem is though. Everyone who invested time into learning a champion they found interesting gets thrown out the window.

LoL is a team game. If one player counterbuilds your champion, you need to work with a teammate to counter the counterbuild.

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How will my teammate counter tenacity?

Woodakoodashooda3 votes

Tenacity does not affect displacement effects.

Knock ups, knock backs, suppression, hooks, etc.

Also, not all champions benefit from it. Squishy assassins and ADCs generally do not build it because even a single moment of being stunned is a death sentence and they are better off building straight damage and waiting for the opportune moment to strike.

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I've had many games where Yasuo, Zed, or even Fizz will rush item 3111 because they know it completely removes Veigar's first 3 points of E from the game. Basically as Veigar you only have Q,W, and R at that point.

Infernape3 votes

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What's the counter to tenacity though? Tenacity makes a large pool of champions dysfunctional the moment it's purchased. It's only 1100g.

Chain CC.

Anyway Tenacity isn't that great with the overabundance of knockups in the game.

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That indirectly means "Play another champion, you were wrong for ever being interested in Veigar to begin with".

FeedKaylePlease3 votes

Oh wow. So we are complaining about this now?

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bro people getting rewarded for getting caught out...and you're ok with that?????

FeedKaylePlease1 votes

If anything tenacity needs to be buffed.

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Rather than fixing half their champions they just let the forum trolls be dismissive and say "just play a different champion" that doesn't solve the problem it just hides it from view. This is the society we live in. We get shitty devs like CertainlyT making troll champions that end up 100% reworked because he doesn't know how to make shit.

FeedKaylePlease1 votes

Perhaps you should apply for a job at Riot and show them how it's done. You obviously know how to do a better job so I see no reason why they would not hire you.

Jbels2 votes

You're complaining that Tenacity shouldn't be a thing when it barely is a thing anymore. Oh hey, good thing tenacity doesn't affect knockups when Riot has added so much knock up to this game it feels like a whore house that doesn't care whether or not you use protection.

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It makes many champions dysfunctional the moment someone buys item 3111 for a mere 1100g...

Jbels2 votes

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It makes many champions dysfunctional the moment someone buys item 3111 for a mere 1100g...

No it fucking doesn't. People die so quickly in League now that even tenacity doesn't save you from getting caught by the slightest of CCs. Get better at the game and stop complaining that the stat that is meant to counter CC but is piss poor at doing so is somehow bad for the game.

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There's not much left for me to get better at. I've pretty much soft-capped on Veigar over 10 years. The only thing I can change at this point is just playing a different champion like everyone suggests (which is really disappointing). Also if a basic combo takes 1 second and the stun duration is reduced to less than that then yes it makes the champion dysfunctional, their crowd control doesn't exist for a low low cost of 1100g. There's no item or rune in the game I can take to restore that duration. It's gone the moment that boot is purchased.

KFCeytron2 votes

If Tenacity were to be removed, all stuns/etc. would have their base duration lowered. They're balanced around opponents having some Tenacity in the same way that Mundo is balanced around having GW applied to him at all times.

Veigar E at max rank stuns for 2.5 seconds. W hits after 1.25 seconds. Why are you waiting so long to follow up on your combo?

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Consider the time it takes to walk forward if you catch someone with wall and they're on the further end of it instead of the closer end. Sometimes players play so flawlessly that realistically they ONLY get caught on the further end of it and realistically that's the make or break window for Veigar in a lot of higher end games where those 1 or 2 opportunities don't really come by at any other moment.

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