i feel that zac needs a nerf

NastyNidalee·Aug 7, 2016·12 votes·2,451 views

my thoughts on this is that zac is a monster and has a lot of teamfight potential and for what happens I feel he is a little too over powered with all the nerfs that are happening across the other champions.

28 Comments

Scuttle LoverAug 13, 20164 votes

Unfortunately, no on here will agree because Zac is barely played and low elos rather bitch about Yasuo

GULAG 4 UAug 13, 20161 votes

Yeah, cause you know... popping his shield when he tries to cs is hard... walking around his windwall is impossible, it fucking snares you!!!

Also he has aoe cc!!!

He's faceroll easy!!!

KeepeAug 14, 20161 votes

I can't tell if that's sarcastic or not... and that makes me feel sad. =(

GULAG 4 UAug 14, 20161 votes

It's sarcastic as fck.

KeepeAug 14, 20161 votes

Gods, that's a relief. Can be hard to tell with the boards sometimes. Read a post demanding Veigar's E be nerfed because "it silences AND stuns."

GULAG 4 UAug 14, 20161 votes

Yeah, some dominik guy also said he had built in sustain and aoe cc too lol.

TilthankaldarAug 7, 20163 votes

Most of the higher ranked players do agree with you. i watch streams and the lcs daily, when zac is played usually something about him is said.

From my OWN experience against and with zac, his ganks are top tier and unrivaled.

Im an adc main. I think zac is borderline broken accompanied by hecarim.. Both deserve nerfs.

Scuttle LoverAug 13, 20162 votes

Hec is no longer strong

flyingbaklavaAug 7, 20163 votes

As a Diamond level Zac main, I think he is OP in Platinum and below. Around Diamond 2, he stops being OP, and starts becoming a liability. Zac is only as strong as his ability to land elastic slingshot. In Platinum and below, most people don't notice the shadow on his E until it is too late. Between Diamond 5 and Diamond 2, people notice the shadow and avoid it/interrupt it about 50% of the time. In Diamond 1 and above, 8/10 times it is avoided/interrupted. I am no longer surprised when an Alistar groundslam or thresh flay interrupts it. If the enemy team has a Janna or a poppy, don't even bother unless you have Banshee's Veil. There is a reason you don't see Zac in Pro level play. When people flash out of Malphite ultimate casually, what chance does Zac have? If he misses his Elastic slingshot, he becomes a sitting duck. As long as Zac has the shadow on his E and it can be interrupted, he will never be viable in pro play. You want to nerf someone, nerf Reksai. He is the most common jungler in masters and above BY FAR.

Scuttle LoverAug 13, 20161 votes

This is not true. Most challenger junglers will tell you Zac/Graves and the top tier junglers right now

He literally builds full tank and just E's onto your entire teaming and tanks 4 people while being amazing engage with his passive and R. IMO he's too strong right now for how easy he is to play

flyingbaklavaAug 13, 20162 votes

What they say and the reality are different. Let me give you some statistics here, there are 4 Zac players in masters and above with enough games to show up on op.gg (http://na.op.gg/ranking/champions/name=zac) and one of them is a lane Zac (you can tell by the high avg CS). There are 19 Graves players in Masters and above (http://na.op.gg/ranking/champions/name=graves) and at least 5 of them appear to be solo lane Graves players based on CS. Reksai has a mind boggling 47 players in masters and above (http://na.op.gg/ranking/champions/name=reksai) and only one of them appears to be a lane reksai. Top tier junglers can say what they want, but the numbers say otherwise. Why are there only 3 Zac junglers with enough games to register on op.gg if he is really op in the top tiers?

Scuttle LoverAug 13, 20161 votes

Because those other champs have been strong since the beginning of the season. Zac just now became strong.

Are you really trying to say Rek Sai is OP? She's balanced right now

Alright let's use your logic lmao.

Lee Sin has 8 players in Master + on na.op.gg top list. Zac has 4. Does this mean Lee is stronger than Zac right now in solo que? Not even close. Lee is a bottom rank jungler right now. Even if you're really good on him.

The best players in the world tell you that Graves/Zac are OP right now. Your reasoning is terrible and the only reason you're not arguing is because you main Zac

flyingbaklavaAug 13, 20164 votes

What exactly made Zac OP recently? Did he get a massive buff? Did other junglers get massive nerfs? The last buff he got was in 6.9 and that impacted his passive (a 300 second cd ability) and gave him 5 MS. You also say the best players in the world are calling him OP, yet I don't see him played in Professional play. The last game he was played in was 2 months ago in the top lane (vitality vs fnatic). You have to go 6 months back to see another one. Unlike Zac, I have seen Lee Sin played in professional play recently. Hell, I am watching a game right now with one (NV vs C9 game 4). Talk is cheap, but until I see jungle Zac in professional play, I take it with a grain of salt. So, I present you with statistics, you use empty words to disprove it. Not to be mean, but you are also in Platinum 3. I was Diamond 1 earlier this season. When I talk about his limitations, I speak from personal experience. When you are playing against some of the best players in the world, having your most critical ability give over a second of warning (the shadow on elastic slingshot) is TOO MUCH.

Scuttle LoverAug 14, 20161 votes

What exactly made Zac OP recently? Did he get a massive buff?

The Meta. Also IMO Zac was always strong, just barely played.

Talk is cheap, but until I see jungle Zac in professional play, I take it with a grain of salt.

Pro play means nothing. Volibear received a nerf recently that lowered his win rate by 3/4%. He was never played in pro play this season lmao. You seriously trying to say Lee is in a stronger play right now than Zac? If you truly believe that then you're delusional

Not to be mean, but you are also in Platinum 3. I was Diamond 1 earlier this season.

Look at the stats of this account. Plat 3 averagin 70% win rates on my top 3 champs (which I don't main these champs either, it's an account for fun). No games last season and barely any normals. This is a smurf lmao.
You're D4 after over 500 games played. Who gives a shit if you were d1? You obviously don't belong there. I hate when people say "I peaked at this elo but now I'm many divisions below it." It proves you don't belong there. And with that many games, D4 isn't impressive either.

When you are playing against some of the best players in the world

The ones in Master+? The ones that say Zac is S tier Jungler right now?

AnagsAug 14, 20163 votes

Who says this? Why when I watch streamers is he never banned and rarely picked? Where are you getting this crap?

Not saying Zac is bad but I have yet to see any evidence of this in any stream at all.

flyingbaklavaAug 14, 20162 votes

He doesn't have evidence, that's been my point from the very beginning... I bring evidence from op.gg, from professional play, and from personal experience and all he brings is vagues comments of "The best players in the world say". Oh, and if you don't think I have played with some of the best players in the world, I have played with doublelift (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKnSmUoI9zk), voyboy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGfcQk97zLA) and much much more. I am done with this, its like talking to a wall...

Scuttle LoverAug 15, 20161 votes

He doesn't have evidence, that's been my point from the very beginning... I bring evidence from op.gg, from professional play, and from personal experience

Except your "evidence" is pretty BS and I proved it wrong

Oh, and if you don't think I have played with some of the best players in the world, I have played with doublelift (voybo

What does playing with good players prove? The 1st video was from last season. The 2nd is from 6 months ago. This means nothing now. You're D4 now, not high diamond

I am done with this, its like talking to a wall...

Literally brought up some random BS as if that's evidence. Keep defending cancer champs though.

Scuttle LoverAug 15, 20161 votes

Many challenger junglers. Ask them.

NastyNidaleeAug 31, 20161 votes

its not that fact of getting a buff but the main tier junglers got nerfed which basically gave him a indirect buff. i feel that even in diamond i am still banning him out and trying to keep warded deep for his jumps he has amazing range and while i support main and ward deep sometimes that can burn my flash because he just happens to rotate as im warding or they try and catch me out. i agree with it but at times i feel that it can be a pain and i feel that he just needs a nerf nothing huge just more of a balance just like hec. i feel that lee sin is a good jungler but he is more about his utility and knowing that he can make some big plays. i feel that is why he is picked in pro play but again i dont know what they think about it...

flyingbaklavaAug 31, 20161 votes

He doesn't need a nerf, he needs an adjustment. Something to make him less oppressive in lower ELO, and at the same time, more viable at high ELO. In low ELO, it is too easy to reach his fantasy of dive the backline and cause chaos. In high ELO, its virtually impossible. I have no idea what the change can be, but as it currently stands, good players know how to exploit Zac's weaknesses too well to be useful in Diamond 1 and above. I really don't enjoy being a peel bot, but thats what I am forced to do when I climb that high.

Unstoppable MonkAug 31, 20161 votes

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Something to make him less oppressive in lower ELO, and at the same time, more viable at high ELO.

Low elo isn't a problem since any champion without much vision on the map is going to look OP and Zacs can miss their skillshots. It might be a weird combination of gold-D2, but def not low elo.

flyingbaklavaAug 31, 20161 votes

I meant low in comparison to the ELO I play him at (D1-D5). I don't see a problem with Zac in my ELO because people exploit his weaknesses almost every game I play him.

MarshbouyAug 31, 20161 votes

I have been waiting for this day.

ABlueQuakerAug 31, 20161 votes

People told me Zac was crap for 12 months. Literally no meaningful changes since Late Season 3/Early Season 4. All of a sudden he's 'too strong'.

No. You can fuck right off.

WoonStruckAug 31, 20161 votes

I'd say make his E uninterruptible, and give compensation nerfs.

Assess his power then and give nerfs if needed.

Vs certain champs (many more than you'd think; even maokai) he is LITERALLY useless because of how easy his E is to interrupt on landing, not the channel, with any minor displacement/dash interrupt.

He's already unreliable vs speed boosts and mobility. Take out the things that consistently make him useless, then look to nerf him so he can at least be made more realistically usable when he's weakened.

VekknaAug 31, 20161 votes

I fucking hate Zac as an AP mid. It's just not possible to ward his ganks. From the second he completes one item, you have to have a Liandry's, Abyssal, and Void Staff to even have a prayer of dealing with him.

And he did receive indirect buffs with the hp and healing buff to Spirit Visage, the addition of Runic Echos, the CDR and increased MR reduction on Abyssal, the CDR on Warmog's, removal of Devourer, nerfs to Kindred/Shyv/Yi, etc.

In gold he just feels oppressive as fuck. You see a good one and he starts ganking under turret with no minions at level 4 like it's nothing. By 6 you can place a pink and a couple of yellows; some of those will expire, and he can sweep/kill others. His gank initiation has literally no counterplay early for a solo mid. Your only real hope is to trade kills if you can cast a cc and ignite under turret between being chain knocked-up for like 3 seconds.

Unstoppable MonkAug 31, 20161 votes

Zac tends to be a strong early game champion. Him being only strong in Gold and Plat sounds like he's more balanced than not, especially with Zac's recent loss in TSM vs. C9.

I would like to see a buff on his reassembly passive, since its weaker due to damage output in Season 6.