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@Riot Can Abilities With No Counterplay Please Be Changed? (Fiora Ultimate)

TaiigerBlue··2 votes·1,246 views

@Riot You have commented that you wanted to remove elements in the game that had no counterplay, well Fiora ultimate is the definition of an ability with absolutely no counterplay. She becomes completely untargetable and deals massive damage. She also currently holds one of the highest win rates among all champions at over 54%.

I think a change to the way her ultimate works would benefit the game.

Edit: I don't think people understand what I'm specifically talking about. I'm not bashing on Fiora as a champion, I'm not even saying she should be nerfed. I'm specifically talking about her ultimate as an ability design, that makes her completely untargettable. Most things people have mentioned are only preventative measures beforehand, which can be done for anything else as well. But in the action, once she clicks someone that person can't do anything else but wait for the ultimate to be over, which allows very little room for skill or outplaying ability to be involved. I think the ability would be better off with a redesign.

Sion had a point and click ranged stun that dealt considerable damage, which partly led to his redesign. Was Sion overpowered? No he wasn't. Could Sion be countered? Yes he could. That wasn't the problem Riot had with him. It was just a badly designed ability that involved very little skill or outplay potential. The same can be said for Fiora's ultimate, it's not about her being overpowered or that she can be countered. It's about an ability that isn't great, that could be redesigned to work much better.

17 Comments

Pryotra6 votes

My sides right now.

item 3075 - getting this item basically hard counters her. There is no amount of lifesteal she can obtain to out dps this item's passive.

item 3157 - If you are the AP/Support that uses AP, this Item's active will negate her ult. You can also get it solely for the active on any champion, as it is a good enough active to merit the gold sink.

item 3105 - If you are a support, the active here can really help.

item 3025 - If you are someone that can abuse this item, this can be used to kite her around.

item 3068 - Not as much of a hard counter as thornmail, but still pretty good at reducing her burst.

item 3026 - Where is your god now? No reason to not get this on any champion if you are dying too much.

EndlessSorcerer4 votes

You forgot about item 3047 . Fiora's ultimate applies on-hit effects, so I'm pretty sure Ninja Tabi reduces the damage it deals.

If your champions has a method of becoming untargettable (Maokai W, Fizz E, Vladimir W, Zed R, Shaco R), that will stop Fiora's ultimate unless she has another nearby champion to bounce to.

Also, did they ever fix the bug where Fiora ultimate would stop if you walked into a bush?

Deustheproducer5 votes

Vladimir

presses w

What Ultimate?

ADC Bard4 votes

item 3157

Marthian4 votes

I'm the ADC. What do.

EndlessSorcerer4 votes

item 3026 or item 3143 as your defensive item (you don't need 5 offensive items as ADC).

Raptamei1 votes

I'm the ADC. What do.

Take into account her ult and don't end up in a situation where she kills you if she uses it on you.

You know, like how pretty much all of the counterplay in Dota works. How do you counterplay chronosphere? By not grouping up so he can't cast a useful chronosphere.

Marthian2 votes

So avoid team fights? Seem's like a great idea.

JustMyBassCannon1 votes

That's not what he said. He said "don't cluster," not "don't team fight.'

Raptamei1 votes

So avoid team fights? Seem's like a great idea.

Her ult can't focus you in a teamfight.

zzz

Jefftiffy3 votes

She has the highest win rate? No she doesn't. And she is a low elo stomper thornmail hurts her ult bad (procs on every hit).

She has a low of people who counter her in top. Ryze, Jax, Teemo (if you time blind perfectly her ult will do no damage), Riven, Singed, etc.

TaiigerBlue1 votes

She has the highest win rate? No she doesn't. And she is a low elo stomper thornmail hurts her ult bad (procs on every hit).

She has a low of people who counter her in top. Ryze, Jax, Teemo (if you time blind perfectly her ult will do no damage), Riven, Singed, etc.

One of the highest, not the highest, as specified in OP. And she definitely is one of the highest, and has been for the past month according to both LolKing and OP.GG statistics.

http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&type=champion-winrate&range=monthly&map=sr&queue=1x1&league=ranked http://na.op.gg/statistics/champion/

Avious3 votes

Her ultimate is her only really strong move. And it's on a huge CD. Many items negate it as well. The only lane she is borderline OP is mid. Get over this "OMG NERF FIORA HURR DURR" please... She's fine >.>

Narasimha2 votes

Teemo Jax Malphite

You're welcome

Cyndication1 votes

but u can zhonyas it that plenty counterplay also thornmail for more counterplay also ga, also randuins

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