@Riot Can Abilities With No Counterplay Please Be Changed? (Fiora Ultimate)

TaiigerBlue·10/23/2014, 3:18:19 PM·2 votes·1,246 views

@Riot You have commented that you wanted to remove elements in the game that had no counterplay, well Fiora ultimate is the definition of an ability with absolutely no counterplay. She becomes completely untargetable and deals massive damage. She also currently holds one of the highest win rates among all champions at over 54%.

I think a change to the way her ultimate works would benefit the game.

Edit: I don't think people understand what I'm specifically talking about. I'm not bashing on Fiora as a champion, I'm not even saying she should be nerfed. I'm specifically talking about her ultimate as an ability design, that makes her completely untargettable. Most things people have mentioned are only preventative measures beforehand, which can be done for anything else as well. But in the action, once she clicks someone that person can't do anything else but wait for the ultimate to be over, which allows very little room for skill or outplaying ability to be involved. I think the ability would be better off with a redesign.

Sion had a point and click ranged stun that dealt considerable damage, which partly led to his redesign. Was Sion overpowered? No he wasn't. Could Sion be countered? Yes he could. That wasn't the problem Riot had with him. It was just a badly designed ability that involved very little skill or outplay potential. The same can be said for Fiora's ultimate, it's not about her being overpowered or that she can be countered. It's about an ability that isn't great, that could be redesigned to work much better.

17 Comments

Pryotra10/23/2014, 4:17:48 PM6 votes

My sides right now.

item 3075 - getting this item basically hard counters her. There is no amount of lifesteal she can obtain to out dps this item's passive.

item 3157 - If you are the AP/Support that uses AP, this Item's active will negate her ult. You can also get it solely for the active on any champion, as it is a good enough active to merit the gold sink.

item 3105 - If you are a support, the active here can really help.

item 3025 - If you are someone that can abuse this item, this can be used to kite her around.

item 3068 - Not as much of a hard counter as thornmail, but still pretty good at reducing her burst.

item 3026 - Where is your god now? No reason to not get this on any champion if you are dying too much.

Deustheproducer10/23/2014, 3:48:32 PM5 votes

Vladimir

presses w

What Ultimate?

ADC Bard10/23/2014, 3:49:56 PM4 votes

item 3157

Jefftiffy10/23/2014, 3:38:55 PM3 votes

She has the highest win rate? No she doesn't. And she is a low elo stomper thornmail hurts her ult bad (procs on every hit).

She has a low of people who counter her in top. Ryze, Jax, Teemo (if you time blind perfectly her ult will do no damage), Riven, Singed, etc.

Avious10/23/2014, 4:33:12 PM3 votes

Her ultimate is her only really strong move. And it's on a huge CD. Many items negate it as well. The only lane she is borderline OP is mid. Get over this "OMG NERF FIORA HURR DURR" please... She's fine >.>

Narasimha10/23/2014, 5:17:08 PM2 votes

Teemo Jax Malphite

You're welcome

Cyndication10/23/2014, 5:47:01 PM1 votes

but u can zhonyas it that plenty counterplay also thornmail for more counterplay also ga, also randuins