This is the reason you should ban Pantheon. Solo drake level 2 without any risk of dying.

Eliona·Nov 24, 2014·17 votes·13,311 views

Get your blue buff done, depending of how your botlane is positioned do a pressure gank. Here 2 states if your bot isn't retarded : 1 - You killed one or both botlane -> you + bot move to drake 2- Ennemy bot lane just stepped back / flashed out -> you solo drake

In both case ward the river's bush before starting drake & get your bot ready to support you if ennemy's jungler try to come. You will have the advantage of summoner spells. Don't forget to stack with W every 2/3 hits if you don't play with Attack Speed runes. Profit & Win !

73 Comments

JbelsNov 24, 20144 votes

I'm sure Riot didn't intend this to happen, and that they'll probably give buffs to Dragon to make 1v1ing him early impossible, maybe Doubling his AD when there isn't more than person trying to kill him

JunkοNov 24, 20144 votes

Doubling his AD when there isn't more than person trying to kill him

That would be incredibly dumb and make no sense. Who would fight with less power if they are MORE people attacking him?

JbelsNov 24, 20146 votes

Doubling his AD when there isn't more than person trying to kill him

That would be incredibly dumb and make no sense. Who would fight with less power if they are MORE people attacking him?

Ok then, why do Turrets become Tanker when there are no minions around? Why does Kog'maw's lore say he does nothing but eat, but on the Rift he does nothing but regurgitate? Why does an Inhibitor have no Armor or Magic Resist, but still take reduced damage? Stop trying to look at League like it actually takes Logic seriously. Making Dragon do double damage against somebody trying to Solo it doesn't have to make sense, it just has to stop Pantheon from giving his team a permanent 15% damage increase advantage at level 2.

GundayMondayNov 24, 20141 votes

You could make an argument for spreading resources thinly. Like the dragon's attack damage is divided by the number of assailants since it needs to focus on 5 champs instead of just one.

JbelsNov 24, 20147 votes

I kinda wish that when a Tank is tanking the Dragon's shots, the people behind him who take damage from the AOE explosion took reduced damage. It would make it feel like the Tank is actually tanking blasts, which I think would be an amazingly cool feeling

LucidLunaticNov 28, 20141 votes

I get that it would feel cool, but you can get the same effect by just rotating positions. Then only the tank takes any.

AlëkNov 25, 20141 votes

Doubling his AD when there isn't more than person trying to kill him

That would be incredibly dumb and make no sense. Who would fight with less power if they are MORE people attacking him?

Ok then, why do Turrets become Tanker when there are no minions around? Why does Kog'maw's lore say he does nothing but eat, but on the Rift he does nothing but regurgitate? Why does an Inhibitor have no Armor or Magic Resist, but still take reduced damage? Stop trying to look at League like it actually takes Logic seriously. Making Dragon do double damage against somebody trying to Solo it doesn't have to make sense, it just has to stop Pantheon from giving his team a permanent 15% damage increase advantage at level 2.

.... 8% lol

I am THE DariusNov 24, 20141 votes

I'm sure Riot didn't intend this to happen, and that they'll probably give buffs to Dragon to make 1v1ing him early impossible, maybe Doubling his AD when there isn't more than person trying to kill him

Actually it wouldnt matter if they doubled its ad, Pantheon can solo and take no damage at level 3 if you use your powers and passive right (and it's really not that hard to get 3 stacks on his passive then W).

Terra D SerphDec 3, 20141 votes

Maybe it could be a Pantheon-specific fix then. Perhaps Dragon and Baron could ignore either the W or Passive. That way, Pantheon still is somewhat viable in the jungle, but doesn't become an invulnerable god to these two beasts.

Or perhaps this could work for all future champions that give passive benefits similar to Pantheon. I can't think of one off the top of my head, so I'll just leave it at Pantheon. :P

Twilight DrizzleNov 24, 20143 votes

Or...

1-Ward Drake Against him. 2-Kill him when he's doing it (he'll most likely be alone) 3-Kill Drake 4-??? 5-Profit

ElionaNov 25, 20143 votes

First off, you're right. 3 is more than 2. So is the damage, HP, and armor of every single one of those champs that walks in on urlvl 2 pantheon THAT ALREADY HAS DRAGON AGGRO.

I'm not sure you're a jungler at all. Everyone knows smite has now a one minute CD. As I said as Pantheon lvl 2 you get your CD back right before dragon's hp are below 1k. Which means that the ennemy jungle is only doing his 2nd buff smiting it to get level 3 while you just killed the drake. Explain me how he can walk from his buff to drake instant ?

Also, I think it has been stated on this topic but you should check the warding trinket debate.

Dig DuxNov 24, 20142 votes

Wow....

That is awesome

I wondered if there would be any fall out for reducing the attack speed of dragon

Now I know.

Hullabaloo907Nov 24, 20141 votes

it is a bit strange they made they rest of the jungle tougher, but didnt adjust dragon.

RebonackNov 24, 20142 votes

Panth can take dragon and take NO damage at level 3. Go frog ==> blue ==> red. It's a MUCH better route, since it leaves him at level 3 and then he can either gank or take dragon if no ganks look viable.

Bears Dont CareNov 24, 20142 votes

Its cool and all but...why would anyone let you do this? Especially with scuttle crab and free ward trinkets?

AHeroNamedHawkeNov 24, 201422 votes

Its cool and all but...why would anyone let you do this? Especially with scuttle crab and free ward trinkets?

Who the hell is going to ward dragon/kill scuttle at 3 minutes?

PentaWattNov 24, 20143 votes

Season V support only fights over Scuttle crab?

Kappa

EnvyDragonNov 24, 20145 votes

Anyone who sees Pantheon Jungle on the opposing team before they patch this exploit out, I'd say.

ThryaleNov 24, 20145 votes

it's not really an exploit per se. It's just drag is too weak early on for some of the cheese champs. You thought panth was the only cheese? Fiora and Kalista can both cheese drag at lvl 3 too.

All riot's got to do is lower the dmg drag's aa does by 10 or 20 points and increase his attack speed by a similar amount. That way, at least the panth cheese won't work so easily.

Bears Dont CareNov 24, 20142 votes

Its cool and all but...why would anyone let you do this? Especially with scuttle crab and free ward trinkets?

Who the hell is going to ward dragon/kill scuttle at 3 minutes?

Its a part of your clearing as a jungler, how do you not kill scuttle early on?

The5lackerNov 26, 20142 votes

Because it takes forever and don't really provide anything other than a chunk of gold?

Oh, and it makes you chase it around neutral territory which increases the risk of being caught and murdered.

Meep ManDec 3, 20141 votes

If you dont want to lose a Dragon, you will until this is fixed. Thats like saying "Pffft, who is going to stop them from gaining an advantage in the first 3 minutes?"

Hullabaloo907Nov 24, 20145 votes

Usually supports dont want to ward dragon that early because you would need to do it while you were level one, giving the enemy the level 2 advantage. Its a long way to go when you dont have boots and every missed minion is a big chunk of xp.

Bears Dont CareNov 24, 20141 votes

Usually supports dont want to ward dragon that early because you would need to do it while you were level one, giving the enemy the level 2 advantage. Its a long way to go when you dont have boots and every missed minion is a big chunk of xp.

Supports aren't warding the dragon... The jungler can handle that plenty well by himself. Heck...sustain junglers who don't even need pots can start a ward in case you suspect cheese.

Hullabaloo907Nov 24, 20141 votes

It was just my perspective from being a support main. Since im only silver, if i dont ward dragon, nobody tends to. Plus there are a ton of people who dont realize that you need at least one dragon, and the earlier you get it, the better.

LlaniteNov 25, 20141 votes

Now they know.

At least if they see a jungle pant anyway.

Potato DocNov 24, 20141 votes

Its cool and all but...why would anyone let you do this? Especially with scuttle crab and free ward trinkets?

Trust me people dont even do it at 5 mins in, I do tihs all the time as vi, yi, udyr, ww and nunu

Bears Dont CareNov 24, 20141 votes

Its cool and all but...why would anyone let you do this? Especially with scuttle crab and free ward trinkets?

Trust me people dont even do it at 5 mins in, I do tihs all the time as vi, yi, udyr, ww and nunu

Personally I wouldn't bother unless I was one of those 5, and even then I find its usually just because people play very sloppily.

FlemmanNov 24, 20142 votes

1 min to being interrupt and got killed, so the "without any risk of dying" seems a bit exagerate >-<

ShemsuHorNov 24, 20142 votes

Pretty sure this is only cuz panth has been bugged for a long time. Maybe they changed how it functions and i missed it? idk.

Aegis Protection "After autoattacking or using an ability 4 times, Pantheon will block the next incoming turret attack or basic attack from an enemy champion, siege minion or large monster."

Aegis of Zeonia "Active: Pantheon leaps upon a target enemy unit within 600 range, dealing magic damage and stunning them for 1 second, while refreshing Aegis Protection.png Aegis Protection."

Panth's W used to just give you the aegis as it does now but your stacks were gone. The way it works now you can AA or skill til 2 stacks leap and repeat. He's op against anything that stands there and auto attacks him.

she Iooked lvl18Nov 24, 20142 votes

he can actualy lvl 1 drag

Trading AcesNov 25, 20142 votes

Scrub isn't even using his w right.

AHeroNamedHawkeNov 24, 20141 votes

Good to see the dragon change was thought through

IAintDariusNov 24, 20142 votes

Good to see the dragon change was thought through

There are over a hundred champions Riot couldn't have possibly found every exploit imaginable /:

LordAbaddon12Nov 24, 20141 votes

The simple fix to this would be to halve dragons auto damage but double its attack speed. That way pantheon doesn't have time to stack up his shield fast enough but the dps of the dragon remains the same. It also doesn't require touching pantheon and would still allow him to potentially sneak a dragon at a more reasonable point in the game.

Drive My SoulNov 24, 20141 votes

its not Pantheon thats broken, its the new jungle and jungle items

Yura May ZingNov 24, 20141 votes

You would try to ruin it for the rest of us.

TaNKeDNov 24, 20141 votes

There's a reason this is Preseason. It's like Rito says, they can't compare their testing to that of millions of players.

It will be fixed before the Season is live.

Funny enough I had no idea about this level 3 cheese until I had a Nunu in one game mention it. He proceeded to walk down to drag 30 seconds after Panth got there and smite/consumme stole it away.

Alderon WolfBaneNov 24, 20141 votes

Hey For those who don't know you can still juggle drag aggro and if done correctly you take no damage at all it's mostly do to the fact it attack's very slowly.

the way to do it is one person support/jungler (depends if you are blue or red side jungler on back of pit to keep him safe) goes back of drag pit and walk back and forth to drag.

Tis a nice dayNov 24, 20141 votes

Suggestion for patching this exploit up.

Have Dragon use a weaker but faster attack every now and then. It'll proc off Pantheon shields and fiora Riptostes.

Pinker 10Nov 24, 20141 votes

Meanwhile: Jax Nidalee lvl 1 Udyr Fiora Fiddlesticks Warwick Nunu MasterYi

Yup, panth is broken. better ban panth. And everyone else in this list.

ElionaNov 24, 20141 votes

Sure do it with any of them at level 2 & upload it. I want to see you doing with Fiddle when drake deals double of what you drain every 3 secs. or with Vi/Yi/Fiora/Udyr/Jax when you have 0 sustain. Seriously, I'm waiting, do it & upload please.

ThryaleNov 24, 20141 votes

If panth, making LEGITIMATE use of all of his abilities with proper micro management to fight and kill drag at a low level is considered an EXPLOIT then juggling drag aggro between players so that no one gets hit is ALSO an exploit, using that same logic.

Using exploits is a bannable offense mate, and nothing here is a bannable offense. It's just a little bit of cheese due to drag being under tuned. That's it. We aren't injecting code or abusing game breaking bugs to win. Everything about that video is legit. Cheesy, but legit. So chill out.

Also, if anyone so much as looks at panth while he tries to do this and he'll instantly melt. Just sayin.

Big Daddy HuskNov 25, 20141 votes

wow

CarniverousNov 25, 20141 votes

Actually he can do it level 1....

KolinichuNov 25, 20141 votes

A buff the dragon would be nice... or a "later" spawn timer would be good too... Oh and... The dragon can get kited to death by 2 players by switching aggro constantly...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B76y4iyKznE

That needs to be fixed or something.... It's so pathetic (Facepalm)

RockmanNov 25, 20141 votes

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ElionaNov 25, 20141 votes

He can, even at level 1 but as I stated when someone else asked me, that's not worth it.

If it's an heimer mid, you lose way too much time on your lane, you can't properly build your turrets if the ennemy mid laner is aggressive. If it's an heimer jungle, you don't have great gank abilities & 90% of the time your team have no idea how to play with a Jungle Heimer.

But yes, it's possible.

Meep ManDec 3, 20141 votes

Azir Azir is King of Baron. Pantheon is King of Dragon.