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Camille Is a Bit Over Tuned.

FrostedSands·7/22/2018, 10:35:13 PM·2 votes·729 views

If you want references: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Camille

If you don't want to read this either go here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ or leave, I'm not going to say "Oh she does TD plz nerf so op", no I'm taking all the factors into account.

-- <---- (Ignore these, just spacers so it doesn't look too cluttered) Her (Passive) gives her (20% maximum health) as a Physical or Magical shield for 2 seconds. (16s / 13s / 10s) Cooldown. This wouldn't be such an absurd ability if not for the fact that she's a BRUISER and since it scales with 20% Max Health people build lots of health on her, making her beefy.

-- Her (Q) is a: AA Reset + (AA Damage + (20 / 25 / 30 / 35 / 40% AD)) Bonus Damage + 175 Range + (20 / 25 / 30 / 35 / 40%) MS for 1 second + a recast that deals: [(AA Damage + (20 / 25 / 30 / 35 / 40% AD)) x2] and turns (36% + [4% x (Level)]) "At lv 16 it's 100%" into TRUE DAMAGE. ------- So when she gets her first item (Trinity Force [Which has Sheen in it]) she will probably be lv 7 so 85 (Base AD) + 25 (Triforce AD) = 110 AD Autos. Through the formula above: ------------First cast of Q will deal 324 AD (Because of Sheen Procs). ---------------Second cast of Q will deal 324 x 2 and convert 64% of that into True Damage. ------------------In total her Q will have done 558 AD and 414.72 True Damage at lv 7. That's over 1k damage at lv 7 (half of that being TD) ---------------------And I'm not even factoring in Camille weaving 2 autos between each Q proc. --------------------------For a comparison, Vayne (maxing W first) at lv 7 only deals 250 TD (after 3 autos) to a 1780hp Cho'Gath at lv 7 (With Righteous Glory First Item & 6 Stacks of Ultimate). --**Note: Please tell me if I get any of the math wrong, I'll be happy to change it) (Btw I factored Sheen Proc Outside of her Q TD Conversion) **

-- Her (W) is a cone that (on the outer half) deals (6 / 6.5 / 7 / 7.5 / 8%) (+ 3.3% per 100 bonus AD), and the total thing deals (70 / 100 / 130 / 160 / 190) (+ 60% bonus AD), so Camille will be doing: __ [Using Using Cho'Gath at lv 7 (6 Stacks & R.G.) for calculations] ------------(Outer Cone) 6% Target's Max HP (Only scales off BONUS AD, not including base AD) + 70 AD + 80% Slow for 2 seconds: 177 AD ---------------(Inner Cone) 70AD -------------------She also heals off the Bonus AD of the Outer Cone: 177hp heal -----------------------Pretty Simple but an 80% Slow at lv 1 + a heal?

-- Her (E) is a long range dash + CC: [Range: 800(Pull) / 400(Jump)] {This is gonna be fun :) } ---------First E is a simple 800 Range Dash towards terrain, does not collide with heros or deal damage. -------------Second E is a 400 Range dash (800 if towards enemy champions), stuns for ~1 second and deals (Tier 1 E) 143 AD in an area, effectively being a Tiamat, AND gives Camille (40 / 50 / 60 / 70 / 80%) Attack Speed: Basically giving her 1.4 Attack Speed for 5 seconds -----------------Running from champions / Mobility uses: 1200 Unit Dash, Towards an enemy champion: 1600 Unit Dash + Stun + AOE Damage + AS Buff

Her R is a 475 range point and click "dash" that makes Camille untargetable, trapping the champion selected in a hexagon for (2.5 / 3.25 / 4) seconds and "shuts off" of Camille dies or leaves the area within 1 second and knocking all enemy units outside the hexagon (but can re-enter). {Not entirely sure what happens if Camille dies .1s before it ends, does it increase the duration by 1 second?} ------------You cannot leave AT ALL BY ANY MEANS, Such as: Sion Ultimate, Ryze ultimate, Flash, Walking, Talon E, Nocturne Ultimate, Grabs. ---------------Camille's Autoattacks deal (AA Damage) + (5 / 10 / 15 (+ 4 / 6 / 8% of target's current health)) in Magic Damage. (Using Cho'gath, lv 7, full feast stacks, R.G.) Her autos will be doing a bonus (Auto attacks, not Q's, Q's do not get affected by AP) 5 (Not sure if it's % or just 5 AP, I'll put just 5AP) + 4% Enemies Max HP: 75.2 AP. ------------------So In total if she was to fight the lv 7 Chogath with full Feast Stacks and Righteous Glory She will be doing: 110 AD + 75AP Per autoattack, on top of them being not being able to leave.

I already explained her Passive but at lv 7 + Trinity Force her Shields will be 247 Physical Shield or Magical Shield.

There is no TL;DR, just the fact her numbers are way too high for a tanky bruiser with a 1800 Unit Dash, free sustain, a 25 Mana Cost (that absurd math in Q for Damage and TD) 2 AA resetting Q and an Unescapeable, Free bonus damage, 475 Unit Dash that makes her Untargetable. MIND YOU, this is her with JUST 1 ITEM AT LV 7. Imagine a lv 18 Tank dealing 2k True Damage instantly with a ~2k Unit Dash and an 80% 2s Slow to catch up if you dash (or she uses R).

This post took me 2-3 hours to write.

https://imgur.com/a/rwMe55D https://imgur.com/a/yOqtdrG https://imgur.com/a/of08T00 https://imgur.com/a/X3MUPAX

4 Comments

FrostedSands7/22/2018, 10:44:57 PM1 votes

Man I do love it when I spend hours and hours in a post just to have some asshat skip it all, not comment and just put that she's balanced.

Chembaron Yamada7/22/2018, 11:11:21 PM1 votes

Your calculation for her Q damage is wrong. The second cast does not double the entire damage, just the 35% AD bonus damage gets doubled (so: 70% AD as bonus damage).

The sheen proc and base auto attack get not doubled. And the fact that you actually thought her Q would deal so much damage at level 7 already tells that you probably never played Camille (or even against her...).

The actual calculation should be: 110 + 170 (sheen) + 38,5 (Q bonus) = 318,5 damage before resistances for the first Q. 110 + 170 (sheen) + 77 = 357 damage before resistances on second Q. 0,64 * 357 = 228,5 of that damage is dealt as true damage.

So in total, this is under 700 damage before resistances. Not even close to what you claim her damage to be at that level.

EDIT: had 1 mistake, sheen proc from TF is 200% base AD, not 100%