So how does new Malzahar play?

nabreus··1 votes·1,230 views

So I haven't been able to play new Malzahar since I haven't been given access to PBE yet(rito pls)

But I'm not looking forwards to the changes at all, especially considering how mana regen is being taken off of so many items.

I feel like all of any mages runes will be geared towards sustain, thus making them extremely item-reliant and only relevant mid- to late-game.

I actually prefer AD Malzahar(and I'm learning that playstyle slowly), and he's a very strong jungler, top, _ and _ mid laner following those build paths. He's extremely reliant upon being able to properly juggle voidlings, however, and his entire team-fight and split-push ability is reliant upon getting those voidlings out and keeping them out, and sustaining in lane is also reliant upon getting those voidlings out to deter enemies from getting too close.

Frankly, I picked up AD Malzahar because I felt like he's a huge counter to the godlike Udyr jungler. Both have amazing sustain and clear.

Anyway.

With the updates, is AD Malzahar even viable any more? Apparently, the voidlings don't prioritize whatever Malzahar is auto-attacking(which, in the current playstyle they don't prioritize structures, but that's fine)

If he is, how does the new AD Malzahar play? How easy is it to juggle voidlings and keep them out? Can he still jungle effectively and keep up with the current Malzahar playstyle?

How item reliant is he? What are the cooldown rates and mana costs of getting voidlings out?

As a sidenote I'm getting really irritated, and I really feel like Riot is trying to force us to play certain champions certain ways, and AD Malzahar is being forced out of the realm of effectiveness along with tank Ekko.

13 Comments

ChaddyFantome2 votes

Current;y on PBE, AD Malz is Broken. Can Solo Baron at 20, lol. He is an Amazing Jungler.

Im sure he is gonna get toned down, but I expect him to still retain a lot of his Jungling power.

Jessey1 votes

Riot really need stop making Voidling go with malz AD god

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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Riot really need stop making Voidling go with malz AD god

They go with both now, tho the scaling on Voidlings go with total AD atm while they have a flat +AP ratio for AP Malz.

nabreus1 votes

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Current;y on PBE, AD Malz is Broken. Can Solo Baron at 20, lol. He is an Amazing Jungler.

Im sure he is gonna get toned down, but I expect him to still retain a lot of his Jungling power.

God bless. This makes me so happy.

I was worried the CDR of his new w would make it impossible to juggle voidlings and clear.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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God bless. This makes me so happy.

I was worried the CDR of his new w would make it impossible to juggle voidlings and clear.

Every time a voidling hits a champion, kills a unit or hits a Large or epic monster, it duplicates into a new voidling. Trust me, New Malz is probably the best and safest jungle clear in the game now. Even cleaning than Shac-eel O neal.Shaco

nabreus1 votes

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Every time a voidling hits a champion, kills a unit or hits a Large or epic monster, it duplicates into a new voidling. Trust me, New Malz is probably the best and safest jungle clear in the game now. Even cleaning than Shac-eel O neal.Shaco

Oh yeah, I knew that. But the voidling will only be there for the duration left on the original voidling.

Wait..so all the voidling has to do is HIT a champion or large/epic monster?

Oh my god I'm so happy. God bless AD Malz. Maybe now while I'm trying to claw out of bronze I won't hear idiots telling me AD Malz is a troll pick.

FACE THE WlND1 votes

Carefully, very, very carefully.

GaleWinUnleashed1 votes

His E still retains the mana refund mechanic that it has on Live, so his sustain isn't affected all that much. And honestly, the new items are getting a bad rap on the boards; they work much better than you seem to think, even though on paper it seems like there's not much regen on them.

And AD Malz is absolutely NOT being forced out. As a matter of fact he's massively overpowered on the PBE right now.

WinBoat1 votes

His jungling is getting nerfed. That is already being looked into by Riot. A Riot member already said they are looking to tone down his jungling.

Kinda hard to tone it down when he can spawn so many voidlings. You gotta drastically decrease the damage on them, or just take some away so there isn't 4 always out.

nabreus1 votes

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His jungling is getting nerfed. That is already being looked into by Riot. A Riot member already said they are looking to tone down his jungling.

Kinda hard to tone it down when he can spawn so many voidlings. You gotta drastically decrease the damage on them, or just take some away so there isn't 4 always out.

This makes me so happy.

I assume Malzahar is one of the most effective direct counters to everything Udyr is.

Erockandroll1 votes

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His jungling is getting nerfed. That is already being looked into by Riot. A Riot member already said they are looking to tone down his jungling.

Kinda hard to tone it down when he can spawn so many voidlings. You gotta drastically decrease the damage on them, or just take some away so there isn't 4 always out.

Checked the PBE patch, they are making it so that attacking large monsters no longer spawn extra voidlings.

I've not actually played on the PBE. But that sounds just a tiny bit harsh. It would mean that the only way then to spawn more voidlings would be on unit kill, That would require you to focus the small guys first, which may be hard to do. (But I don't really know.)

WinBoat1 votes

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Checked the PBE patch, they are making it so that attacking large monsters no longer spawn extra voidlings.

I've not actually played on the PBE. But that sounds just a tiny bit harsh. It would mean that the only way then to spawn more voidlings would be on unit kill, That would require you to focus the small guys first, which may be hard to do. (But I don't really know.)

That's not harsh at all. Mal can already jungle, hell he can already take dragon at level 3 or so if he wanted to......... This is not harsh at all for him. It's a proper nerf for this cancer POS.

nabreus1 votes

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That's not harsh at all. Mal can already jungle, hell he can already take dragon at level 3 or so if he wanted to......... This is not harsh at all for him. It's a proper nerf for this cancer POS.

Oh please. Udyr is WAY worse than Malzahar, but at least you can KILL Malz.

Unchecked Attack speed, defense, shield, AND movement speed steroids on TOP of stuns with high damage? I'll praise the void if it provides an effective counter to Udyr and all of the Godyr wannabes in the jungle.

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