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So I came back to this catastrophe of reworks - Rito why?

Hratis Arai··2 votes·1,739 views

So I've decided to come back to League after roughly a year of absence, and what do I find but that Rito has ruined just about everything they ever made.

Nothing really new here, they've never been the same since they started this whole "Season" bs.

My most recent issue, and realization is that Soraka the Star Child got a rework. Oh dear lord Rito... wtf is wrong with you? I mean seriously, I'm looking at this and I just don't see what your goal was here. I hope it wasn't intentional to completely butcher the most core fundamental support of League since the beginning, right?!

I'm late to the party, this I know but my frustration is fresh and seething. Honestly, I could get over the fact that infuse was deleted completely from the game, the fact that they completely removed one of the few UNIQUE abilities this game ever had. Poof, with what I hope was not a long brainstorm because that in itself is just god awful. Nay, that was not enough for you Rito. You had to go and butcher her as a viable combatant on the field as well, who the hell decides to make a heal only usable on allies? Who the hell removes a champions capability of assisting themselves? Okay, so she's nerfed into the ground and has to heal allies only.. okay Hratis, you can work with that. Oh WAIT, you can't heal your allies if you're below a certain health threshold!? OH BOY, THAT'S SO USEFUL - for the opposing team that was smart enough to just not play this god awful rework of a perfectly well designed original champion... thanks Rito, just thanks a lot for ruining everything this game used to be every damn time I come back. #endrant #RitoPlz

"Thing is, people were getting sick and tired of old 'Raka. She was healing away misplays and mistakes of her laning partner with no cost beyond maybe a mana potion. What's more is that she was actually starting to dominate solo lanes because of her self-sustain. Mid lane, the targeted silence had no counter, top lane she would push waves and sustain all day long, and there was talk of people JUNGLING with Soraka.

The only solution without changing her kit was to nerf her, and she ate those nerfs hard. Post rework, she's actually in a better spot than she was before, AND people LIKE it. You are of the few that do not." - KidSpectre

Thanks again to KidSpectre for providing a more clear representation of the good side of her rework.

53 Comments

Terff9 votes

The only thing I hate about new soraka is her lack of being a mana battery. Everything else is amazing.

Truly Prideful5 votes

^ This.

I love her rework, she's a lot more active to play. Even with the loss of the mana battery, her new E is really impactful to use. Some of the reworks aren't good, but Soraka is definitely one of the great ones.

Quepha4 votes

how is the new soraka not a unique champion? old soraka fit an archetypical champion design way more than the new one with that low cooldown health cost heal.

Hratis Arai1 votes

Unique in the sense that she had abilities that weren't copy-pasta'd into every new release of champions. Infuse itself was unique and had no equal, now with its removal there isn't a single ability in this game that compares.

Fox Tango1 votes

So the AOE Silence that roots anyone standing in it when it pops is copied from where?

Hratis Arai1 votes

It's pretty easy to see I never mentioned that ability, maybe it's useful as an ability, but it's not Soraka. Reworking out unique skills for a generic root/silence aoe. If you find that unique, fine, put it on a new champion don't ruin a classic for no reason. (btw this game is just populated with various cc-aoe on everyone now)

Fox Tango1 votes

"generic root/silence aoe"

Generic? Dude... come on, how troll are you? And also, this is one of the few remaining silences in the game period. Silence got phased out of a lot of champions.

Also, her Q being aoe that rewards hitting with it by healing you is also super unique.

Hratis Arai1 votes

I think you're missing the point, I'm not saying this new champion isn't unique. I'm saying they removed skills that already had a unique niche in the game. She might as well not be Soraka anymore, she's just skinned as such.

Fox Tango1 votes

So.... you havn't played the new Sion yet. heh can't wait for your new post.

Hratis Arai1 votes

The time required to address every single mistake Rito has made since alpha is just too time consuming, so I doubt you'll see me on these boards again.

Fox Tango1 votes

Well, I hope the lesson you learned from posting here is that no one agrees with your sentiment. As a bronze player with mostly normal games under your belt you lack a lot of the serious knowledge to understand why your perspective on this champ has underlining flaws. Solo lane soraka is not a thing anymore, Big Sorry, but her support play is so good that teams are forced to focus you in lane if they expect to kill the adc. Self peeling with an AOE silence/root while zoning or gaining HP back from another AOE ability has great gameplay and counter play. Sorry you played ONE game with the new build and decided it was trash after itemizing incorrectly. That's not on Riot, that's on you. I hope the massive amount of downvotes on this thread have shown you that you are outside of what the community thinks about the new raka.

Hratis Arai1 votes

The old "you're a bronze" tactic.. well you got me now.

I've played this game in and out with every new item and rendition since the alpha phase, playing ranked all day every day isn't the only way to learn a games finer details.

Regardless of this sloppy attempt at ridicule, and the attempt at undermining me with "the community disagrees" is sad and pointless. "The community" is countless and by far a singular opinion, there are plenty with my same mindset who have probably given up long ago when faced with the prospect that Rito just doesn't care what they think. That's fine, have your new 'raka, it changes nothing.

disregardable1 votes

Her current heal also has no compare in the game, a literal transfusion of health (that for some reason also costs mana...) I'm pretty sure Equinox is the second* AOE silence in the game (Malzahar's) . Wish, of course, a universal heal. I mean her Q could've been more unique, less clunky. But as a whole she is still definitely her own champion with unique abilities.

By the way, this rework WAS actually good and functional for a period of time. She saw high win rates and levels of play. I loved her. She's just gotten nerfed three times in a row with no compensation, and it made her trash tier.

Hratis Arai1 votes

Well I guess I'll just leave it at this then. As a veteran summoner, I am disappointed that they decided to rework a classic instead of just investing into a new support champion. If people are fine with the butchering of old champions to fit the needs of the current meta, then Rito is going about this quick and efficiently.

EfficientDynamo1 votes

Being a vet doesn't mean you know what is best for game health, you need to produce stronger arguments than that. Most people think Soraka is still unique, and in fact has become more fun to play. This isn't a case like Cass where she gained a lot of power at the cost of a frustrating game mechanic.

Hratis Arai1 votes

As a vet, I know the ebb and flow of the game with every patch that was released since Alpha. In this case I stand by the fact that the deletion of Soraka the Starchild was uncalled for and could've been circumvented with better implementation of design.

Stephenizgod1 votes

Malzahar Q silences everything it hits.

disregardable1 votes

I knew as I was typing it I was forgetting something. Thanks for reminding me. His silence is so overbearing.

Stephenizgod1 votes

Not at all :) It would be if it was instant cast but its delay balances it out in my opinion.

Siachi1 votes

Cho'Gath also has an AoE* silence, his roar.

*Well, it's a cone-ability, but still.

Quepha1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hratis Arai,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MRmfUNfe,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-02-12T03:53:39.704+0000)

Unique in the sense that she had abilities that weren't copy-pasta'd into every new release of champions. Infuse itself was unique and had no equal, now with its removal there isn't a single ability in this game that compares.

you already said you didn't mind that much about infuse, but infuse doesn't really add much to the game besides "my ally gets to cast more spells" there's no real gameplay mechanics.

and what were old soraka's spells, again? Q: do damage in an area around her with a debuff, like malphite, taric, vladimir, lee sin, amumu, hecarim, lissandra, maokai, nautilus W: heal a target with a buff, like kayle, nidalee, taric, and nami E: targeted silence aka riot hates this because it doesn't create interesting gameplay or someone gets mana which also doesn't really add interesting gameplay R: untouched because it was great

vs. the new hotness Q: actually a pretty typical skillshot with cc although the delay mechanic is a little different and the self heal on it and its necessity to soraka's new heal is pretty important W: a health cost heal with a low cooldown, NO OTHER HEAL has a low cooldown and the health cost mechanic completely changes how soraka plays in a fight and actually makes her feel like a medic that needs to stay safe herself whereas before jumping on her was about as dumb as jumping on any of her allies because lol tons of hp and armor E: an aoe silence with a conditional snare attached, possibly the most powerful piece of non-ult zone control in the game. enemies simply NEED TO GET OUT OF THE CIRCLE and if you land a Q on them before hand they pretty much need to blow a dash to accomplish that. R: the same thing because it's great

i don't like every rework but soraka's is one of the best riot has done. her kit actually makes her feel like a medic now whereas before it was impossible to get her numbers to where she was viable as a support without making her broken as a solo lane tank-mage.

Hratis Arai1 votes

Well your "new hotness" would be fine as a new support champion. As a veteran, I am just at a loss with what is essentially the deletion of my old support. gg Rito.

Quepha2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hratis Arai,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MRmfUNfe,comment-id=0001000000020000,timestamp=2015-02-12T04:11:45.052+0000)

Well your "new hotness" would be fine as a new support champion. As a veteran, I am just at a loss with what is essentially the deletion of my old support. gg Rito.

soraka had already been effectively deleted for years because her kit was unplayable and unbalance-able. every time they tried to buff her to viability she ruined every lane she appeared in and they had to throw her back in the dumpster.

CSG Imagine4 votes

I don't see a problem with the reworks at all. Its more modern and I think Riot did a good job keeping them updated. It's your opinion and my opinion, I don't think Riot will ever revert back to an old model of Soraka, for example. She is a good champion right now, not used all the time, but is still good in team fights and has good sustain. Just accept what it is and appreciate what Riot's done. You gotta let things go. Lol.

Hratis Arai1 votes

I appreciate the overall effort of the Riot team, but there are just some things that are completely unnecessary. Soraka was an original that I held dear, now she might as well just be a new champion with the 'raka skin over the top of it. As a fan, I am completely disappointed.

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

I appreciate the overall effort of the Riot team

Ya, right after you just shit over all their work, you complement them?

Hratis Arai1 votes

Shitting on their design flaws is actually called feedback, my aggressive nature is because I've watched Rito make these mistakes time and time again. It's not like they just made a minor error for the first time ever.

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

You are confusing the difference between "mistakes made by Riot", and "I just don't like what they did".

Hratis Arai1 votes

So you would consider the opinion of the few illegitimate, and would wave it away as simple bias. That's fine, but it doesn't change the fact that all of this could have been done with a simple champion release with the new 'raka skill set and leaving Soraka the Star Child as the classic. Now Riot slowly moves away from their roots and begins to embrace meta-culture, woe to those who would follow suit.

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

Actually it's not so complicated. You're a whiny brat, get over it and try to enjoy the game instead of making demands and insulting everything you don't like.

Hratis Arai1 votes

If speaking out against something I find poorly designed and implemented is the mentality of a "whiny brat" then by all means I'll strap that title on and continue to speak my mind.

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

Giving feedback over something you find bad doesn't make you a brat. Telling them that it isn't just your opinion, but that they are bad and made errors makes you so.

Hratis Arai1 votes

I wish I could say it was my sole opinion in the entirety of the League player base, but I'm not that conceited.

Quepha2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hratis Arai,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MRmfUNfe,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-02-12T04:21:49.197+0000)

So you would consider the opinion of the few illegitimate, and would wave it away as simple bias. That's fine, but it doesn't change the fact that all of this could have been done with a simple champion release with the new 'raka skill set and leaving Soraka the Star Child as the classic. Now Riot slowly moves away from their roots and begins to embrace meta-culture, woe to those who would follow suit.

  • people like playing a purple unicorn lady
  • soraka had the title of "the healing champion" and making another "the healing champion" would step on her toes and probably force her into obscurity
  • the way that soraka's kit made her a healer didn't actually make her feel like a team medic unless it also made her feel way better as a splitpushing tank mage, so she was already forced pretty hard into obscurity because her solo lane playstyle was not healthy to the game and was also way more likely to become viable than supporty medic soraka when soraka received buffs.

they could release another champion, give them this healing kit, kick soraka out of the title of "the healing champion of LoL" leave soraka in the garbage, basically wasting all her art assets and lore along with her old, worthless kit, maybe even add a useful feature to the game where clicking on soraka would bring up a prompt, "you seem to have clicked soraka, we feel we need to inform you that soraka is a boring piece of shit and we have a better, more fun, healing champion that you should play instead" or they can give soraka a kit that makes her feel like a medic in game, which is how her players have always wanted her to feel.

Hratis Arai1 votes

Am I supposed to respond to this?

You're point is that it's impossible to have two healing supports, but by the way this new 'raka looks she isn't really anything like the old Soraka the Star Child. So what's your point? Sona heals, she didn't oust Soraka. The original Soraka has a different play style than this new champion.

Quepha1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hratis Arai,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MRmfUNfe,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2015-02-12T04:35:41.918+0000)

Am I supposed to respond to this?

You're point is that it's impossible to have two healing supports, but by the way this new 'raka looks she isn't really anything like the old Soraka the Star Child. So what's your point? Sona heals, she didn't oust Soraka. The original Soraka has a different play style than this new champion.

sona heals, she is not "the healing champion," she's "the aura champion," auras are her thing, if they added another champion with auras it can't be as big a part of their kit because that steps on sona's toes and makes her feel like she isn't her own special champion.

and my point was that the old soraka was a steaming pile of shit that wasn't fun to play as or against and couldn't do what she was designed to do (heal and help her allies) unless she was brokenly overpowered at other things. old Q: complete garbage for a support in lane phase because it ruins your lane control and after lane phase because a champion with a gold deficit does not want to get close to multiple enemies old W: kinda nice for supporting but mathematically superior when solo laning old E: the only skill in her kit that's actually better for supporting in lane instead of soloing but it also made her choose between a neat little support utility thing and HER ONLY POSSIBLE CHOICE FOR ENEMY HARASSMENT R: support your team from anywhere on the map! so... why would you bother to be near your team? you look at this kit without the context of "soraka is supposed to be a support" and the only logical conclusion is that you should play her like shen: become a brick wall and push a lane forever, use R to save your team's butt's from the other side of the map and force the enemy to split up and stop you (very slowly because of heals and armor) or lose towers because you clear waves like mad.

wolfax2 votes

You're on a short list there. The new Soraka is actually one of their more well liked reworks on many sides of the fence. People playing her like being more active and people playing against her like her not being a champion that erases any mistake her lane partner might make.

Fox Tango3 votes

BTW saw your match history. They have support items now. You should buy those first.

Hratis Arai1 votes

Petty insults are a sure sign of clarity.

Fox Tango3 votes

Its not an insult, just how you play the game now. I think you would like Soraka if you weren't so starved on gold when you played her.

Hratis Arai1 votes

Never am I starved of gold, just starved of healing capability. New items come and go, but that's not a legitimate reason to change a classic.

Fox Tango3 votes

LOL you have no idea what you are talking about. Of anyone with healing ability Soraka is the one that puts out the most heals right now.

Hratis Arai1 votes

By comparison, I could deliver more health to myself with the old 'raka skills than with the new. Landing a skill shot to heal yourself vs. clicking yourself for a heal... I'm sure even someone as enlightened as yourself can understand the difference.

wolfax3 votes

I responded elsewhere to something you replied to OP, but I want to say this poll is very childish. If you want a real poll put something like, "Do you like the current reworks Riot has done?" Your desire to have created it like you did makes me think you're just whining for whining's sake, and I don't want to agree with you at all.

Hratis Arai1 votes

My poll isn't about liking the changes, there isn't anything to be done about that now. Riot used to listen the community once, that time is long gone. My interest is in the actual community variety, if anyone here even existed as players before League became this ridiculous over hyped monster.

If you find me childish, then you are free to leave.

Fox Tango1 votes

The community is disagreeing with you. Your opinion is not in line with the community's.

Hratis Arai1 votes

Some, but not all I'm sure. A simple google search will proc thousands of people with likewise opinions, never consider yourself the majority simply because everyone has accepted the inevitable.

Fox Tango2 votes

http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/HitgrQNm-soraka-rework-feedback-thread

Hratis Arai1 votes

Yep, that's a forum in kind to the change. Just as there are those that are not.

Extreme Troller1 votes

Most of the beta players left. League of legends is only a casual a and noob game since 2011, designed for the same people that love world of warcraft. Hipster stopped mmo in overall, and went rich in the real world btw, no mmo are worth wasting the time since 2011.

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