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LEAVERS/AFK NEED MORE SEVERE PUNISHMENTS!

N00balizer4000··9 votes·4,928 views

Hello League Community. In short:

  • There are way to many leavers
  • It ruins 4 (innocent) peoples game
  • Leavers get little to no punishent
  • Leavers do not learn their lesson, and keep leaving games

I would like to address the issue of players leaving games, or going AFK. I do not believe that the punishment for this action fits the crime. When a player leaves a game, they almost indefinitely ruin the game for the remaining 4 players. It is very rare that a 4-player team can beat 5 players. Even games that are as good as won can turn around instantly if a player leaves. And lately, more than ever, I have been experiencing leavers ruin way to many of my, and my teammates games. People seem to not mind leaving a game if they no longer feel like playing. The reason? The punishment for leaving is simply not severe enough. Which is why I suggest that we find a better way to serve justice! Fun side note - 3 of my last 6 games were lost due to leavers. 4v5, 4v5 and 3v4

Here is a little math: Average 5v5 game = 30 minutes. 1 leaver wastes 4 peoples time = 2 hours wasted + 4 lost games 4 people make up for lost time = 2 hours Total time wasted = 4 hours (MINIMUM!!!!!!!!!!!!).

And that is just the time it take to gain back lost LP, if you were playing a game and winning before someone left. Then you can add another 2 HOURS, to actually gain the LP you should have had. Making the grand total a stunning 6 hours of time wasted...!!!

In other words, every time someone leaves a game, they are stealing 4 hours of other peoples time! SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE.

Suggestions:

  1. LP-Donation to the 4 teammates left behind. next 3 wins they lost 10% x 4 of won LP, donated to the 4 teammates.
  2. Long bans. (Longer than 5 min.)
  3. LP loss (A LOT)
  4. Give people 1 chance to leave a game per season. any more than 1 leave results in lost LP. Lost LP = what all 4 other players lost combined from losing.

People Please come with suggestions to punishments, and general thoughts on the topic! Personally, I am so tired of losing due to people thinking they can get away with leaving, just because the punishment isn't that tough so "it doesnt matter".

Please please please RIOT this wave of leavers needs to be controlled!!

26 Comments

GundayMonday4 votes

I'd argue it wastes the time of 9 people. I'm not playing for a free win, I want a fair game. More severe bans pls.

N00balizer40001 votes

What a great argument! You are absolutely right! In the end the game is about fun!

BestSupportGold2 votes

At this point, in this current season, I am starting to believe that people are going AFK on purpose. I did fairly well in placements and ended up in Bronze 4. I finished Season 4 in the Silver Division so I know that I don't belong in Bronze, I just had crappy luck with placements. But time after time, every 3 games or so, there is someone who disconnects either on the team I am on, or the other team. I don't think it is their connections, I think they are just AFKing because they want to make it miserable for people.

I still think there should be a qualifying type of placements. Most of the people I have come across in Bronze Division don't even have rune pages. On top of that, they don't know how to play all of the roles. Now, I am all about letting people play their preferred role, but sometimes it doesn't go that way for that person. And when it doesn't that is when people threaten to feed, or go afk. Making the game overbearingly difficult. Some people treat Ranked like Normal and it ruins it for the people who are trying to climb the latter. I think with an implemented qualifying placement matches, depending on how the player does, can determine if they are eligible for ranked play. I know that being level 30 is sort of like that, so people can learn to play the game, build runes, etc before entering Ranked. My point against that is like progressively playing an MMORPG, and you finally hit level cap, and you can do RAIDS and Dungeons. Most of the fresh meat that goes right to the RAIDS have no idea how to play the bosses, or are severely under geared making it that much harder for the surrounding players to play and win. With most MMORPGS implementing a gear level requirement, it has reduced the amount of people who are not well qualified to play. I think if League of Legends had some sort of other requirements for Ranked play, we wouldn't see 50% of the boards posts about AFKs, Trolls, ELO HELL. etc.

N00balizer40004 votes

While I definitely think you are on to something here. I think you are addressing a whole other issue. The issue of noobs. This is a big reason for people leaving games of couse! but, what I want to focus on is for people to not want to leave the game in the first place. And then it does not matter why they want to leave, whether it's because they didn't get their preferred role or just because they have somewhere else to be. It does not matter. I want for people to think twice before leaving a game! The reason people leave is because it is too easy to get away with!! Which brings me back to my point! Punish leavers/AFK players harder!!!

BestSupportGold2 votes

I completely agree. It's all tied. If you eliminate one, you have to eliminate the other. I was fairly impressed with the longer que times of the offenders, but I feel like the people who played in the game/on his team, should get some sort of notification with the action that happened. I also think it should be after an X amount of times, along with the reports.

N00balizer40002 votes

Yes, I would love to receive some sort of feedback to tell me what punishment the people I report actually get. Now, while I do not specifically know what each individual gets, I have played LOL and read enough forums to know that the general punishment of leavers is way too weak and needs to be enforced! And yes, it should not happen right away. I mean, everyone can experience the uncontrollable loss of internet. But the punishment for leaving should exponentially increase in toughness very rapidly!

Dangerous Man1 votes

Or it is their connections ;=;

BestSupportGold1 votes

Que up with bots to test connections before jumping into Ranked.

hellasow1 votes

not sure anyone responded to you on this...But Riot shifted evreyone down lower...so silver are bronze this season.

Bluegatez1 votes

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GundayMonday1 votes

This is a problem in Platinum and Diamond too. Thanks for the advice though!

AikidoLawnNinja1 votes

I'd like to add that the Elo ranking system was originally designed for competitive Chess, a 1v1 game where nobody but you has any bearing whatsoever on your performance. Since every game of League depends not only on your performance, but also on the individual and collective performance of 4 other people, using the Elo system is hardly representative of any individual player's competence.

I feel that a player's rank should reflect not only their win to loss ratio, but also their individual consistency. Players who consistently perform well (i.e. K/D/A, damage dealt/taken, CS, gold earned, objectives taken, wards placed/destroyed, etc.) should not be penalized because they were unlucky enough to be matched with some prick whose only goal is to infuriate random strangers online, or with players who are clearly not equipped to play ranked (no runes, small champ pool, only ever plays one role, etc.).

League has an exhaustive list of statistics after each game that detail all of these little nuances in performance. I think these details should be given more weight towards a player's rank than is given to their black and white win/loss record.

N00balizer40001 votes

Yes yes yes! I could not have said it better myself. The game is too dependent on the success of others and does not take your own skills into consideration at all! But, what you are suggesting is a huge remake of the way that the entire Elo ranking system works (,which would be awesome if Riot did remake). However, it is very unlikely that Riot will take your own achievements into consideration when it comes to your ranking. After all it is a team game. And right now, leavers are costing me so many LP. Which is why the we must continue to advance the justice system/elo system that is already in place and fight the leavers! Punish them hard! it is hands down the worst offense in the game! It needs to be punished accordingly!

Kazaashi1 votes

{quoted}

I'd like to add that the Elo ranking system was originally designed for competitive Chess, a 1v1 game where nobody but you has any bearing whatsoever on your performance. Since every game of League depends not only on your performance, but also on the individual and collective performance of 4 other people, using the Elo system is hardly representative of any individual player's competence.

I feel that a player's rank should reflect not only their win to loss ratio, but also their individual consistency. Players who consistently perform well (i.e. K/D/A, damage dealt/taken, CS, gold earned, objectives taken, wards placed/destroyed, etc.) should not be penalized because they were unlucky enough to be matched with some prick whose only goal is to infuriate random strangers online, or with players who are clearly not equipped to play ranked (no runes, small champ pool, only ever plays one role, etc.).

League has an exhaustive list of statistics after each game that detail all of these little nuances in performance. I think these details should be given more weight towards a player's rank than is given to their black and white win/loss record.

The reason that Elo was create was to move away from Ranking systems based on subjective things. People make the mistake of thinking that Ranking = how well you play champions (specifically in lane). That is not what Ranked is testing. Ranked is testing your ability to organize a group of 5 people to blow up the other teams Nexus before yours. It is not about how well you CS, secure dragons, dodge skillshots, counter jungle, etc. Those are all just means to an end.

Also, Elo is used to rank players in team games. The NFL teams use it for scouting purposes, NCAA uses Elo in the BCS Ranking system. There are more, I just don't know of them off hand.

Shardbearer1 votes

I could live with week long bans from everything but Co-Op for ranked leavers/leaver report. There really does need to be more severe punishment for leavers in general though. I would agree with you that you can win 4v5s, but when it is your ADC that never leaves fountain, even when you ace the enemy, you don't have the ability to push over enough turrets to really come back.

N00balizer40001 votes

Yes, winning is possible. But it is Highly unlikely to happen! and in the case of any late-game game, where everyone is on full build. Then you really need to have a terrible team composition to lose against a team that is missing a player. I wish I had statistics to show direct correlation between leavers-AFK people and lost games. It is basically an instant loss. IT NEEDS TO BE PUNISHED HARDER! It needs to be eliminated from the game!

Shardbearer1 votes

I completely agree with the punishing part. Even if the team with 4 wins, the leaver needs to be harshly punished.

I really dislike this new forum/boards. I keep forgetting my post is not following directly behind the bottom post unless I reply to that one specifically. >.>

Dangerous Man1 votes

More severe punishement? I already got punished three times this week, 1 for my outlet not working, 1 for me accidentally kicking the power button on my cpu, and another 1 for the power cord falling out of the broken outlet. This is torture for people that leave on accident. I mean, kicking the power button on my CPU could have been avoided, but now I got a 20 minute ban D:

BestSupportGold1 votes

Why not switch outlets if you knew it was a problem? Move the computer to another spot in the room/house. These end user errors can be avoided. You knew about these risks, and still chose to play.

N00balizer40001 votes

Yes, more severe punishments. Check your gear before you start gaming. While I realize that these were all accidents, they could have been avoided. people need to check their gear before gaming. Just like you would not run onto the soccer field with untied boots on. People need to not join games when they know that there is a chance of their equipment failing during the game. Furthermore, a 20 minute ban is NOTHING in comparison to how much time you have wasted for all of your teammates, and arguably for the enemy team as well.

4x311 votes

What about people with children that wakes up in the night, sick? What with IRL unplanned problems? Is that really becoming a game for people that have no life?

I understand the problem, but it shouldnt be overdone as some of us may have here and there a real life problem that needs immediate care.

Best Vi Earth1 votes

i would only accept this this if we changed the rules of surrender

change surrender time to 10 or 15 (10 for best result)

make the amount of surrender 3/2 instead of 4/1 because its the same thing but the actual majority rules not just overwhelming plus duo Qers are the worst. make then actually have a case to stay in the game not just because they both can hit that no and waste everyones time

Nidelkha1 votes

3 ranked afk's in one moth should be enough for a perma ban

MantaMan20011 votes

The statement that leavers or those who go afk in games need more severe punishments is quite simply a false statement. Most people who go afk in or leave games are afk right from the beginning which can almost always be traced back to a internet issue which is not entirely the clients fault. the number of people getting queues for being afk are given mostly toe those who are afk for the first 3-10 minuets of the game but are there for the rest of it. I believe that afk ques should be given only to those who go afk in the middle of the game and never reconnect and resume playing or those who are afk from the beginning and never start playing ( assuming there team does not surrender early). in my opinion these are the only people who need to be punished for being afk. I hopes you can embrace the feeling and beliefs i have displayed in this comment and thank you riot.

Atronthor1 votes

AFK and Feeding is no criteria as I said. What should be punished really hard is cheating and manipulation of games. That means people who intentionally lose games to keep other people down. This so called smurfing shid should be punished also hard because this keep people down too. I mean I should rule over this world okay. Everything else is actually irrelevant.

oO Not Today Oo1 votes

Game crashed during the load. Few minutes fixing. Reload. NO PROBLEM. REPORTED! 20 nimutes punishment THX fcking tard

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