What would happen if Heal and Shield power was moved to…

Edgar Alan Dro · 2020-02-04T23:45:47.682Z

I'm scared that with Soraka being top and not in a place RIot wants her theyre gonna nerf her into the ground. What it seems to me is that Soraka top is viable because her lane swap isnt punished from her global healing with the itemization she gets. I would think removing healing and shield power from ardent censer and the other items enchanter supports buy to just the Spellthief Line of support items would lock her into lane. all i think is that putting heal and shield power into one item and adjusting the stats of the items that it's removed from would keep soraka viable in support as opposed to nerfing her to the ground so she's just out of play again from support role all together. if you want heal and support power you build the items with it. it doesnt have to be ONLY spellthiefs but either AP support item to allow for tanks like taric to take it. ivern is the only person outside of support who builds those items and he needs a different talk all together to balance him. this change in my thought allows more diverse itemization between supports for AP items to take into account, but with just one change it locks enchanters into support roles to be useful still, and keeps with riots wants and needs of taking them out of solo lanes.

Edgar Alan DroFeb 5, 20201 votes

who needs heal and shield power that isnt an enchanter already taking spellthiefs?

ZephyrDrakeFeb 5, 20201 votes

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who needs heal and shield power that isnt an enchanter already taking spellthiefs?

Taric and Ivern come to mind

Edgar Alan DroFeb 5, 20201 votes

looks like taric about to build spellthiefs instead now for better itemization and ivern has been a forgotten champ who needs some TLC in the first place

ZephyrDrakeFeb 5, 20202 votes

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looks like taric about to build spellthiefs instead now for better itemization and ivern has been a forgotten champ who needs some TLC in the first place

Ok... thanks for telling me that you have no care at all about balance. You literally want to screw over support itemization for literally no reason whatsoever. You want to break an item.and leaving others completely underwhelming. That is not how things get balanced.

Edgar Alan DroFeb 5, 20201 votes

bro its literally just a question about moving ONE stat over for 90% of enchanters it changes nothing.

Edgar Alan DroFeb 5, 20201 votes

every enchanter builds spellthiefs in the first place. they get their heal and shield power. assuming dropping one passive stat and not compensating in said items base stats or passive's is just stupid.

Edgar Alan DroFeb 5, 20201 votes

want your abilities to give attack speed? okay you still build the same item. you want a boost from your damage to affect healing? okay cool. you want extra heals from an active item? good do it. you want movement speed? you want to get free of one cc ability? cool. build those items.

you're telling me the SOLE reason you buy ardent censer is for the heal and shield power and not its mana regen cdr?

ZephyrDrakeFeb 5, 20201 votes

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bro its literally just a question about moving ONE stat over for 90% of enchanters it changes nothing.

"It changes nothing" and this is how you show you don't even thought about it for more than 5 seconds. There are plenty of champions who would not care about going spellthief but wouldn't mind getting heal/shield power. Your only response so far to that is essentially "sucks to be them, now they'll have to change their whole builds just because I don't care about them"... do you know how much heal/shield power is across all those items? Do you think that putting it on a single item isn't going to affect anyone at all? Enchanters power will soar through the roof with all that power on a singular item. Early game sustain from them is going to be insane.

Then that is not even mentioning how the other items will just feel terrible to build and would feel incredibly underwhelming until they get buffed. Congrats you literally achieved powercreep. Tell me why should taric and Ivern not be allowed to get heal/shield power anymore? Why should the option for other champions who wouldn't want to do a more supportive type of role with their heals/shields be completely gone? Why should the itemization of an entire class of champions be dumber down and be completely demolished? Just because soraka top? A singular pick? Why not just nerf soraka top instead? It takes way less effort, it's easier and it doesn't destroy the entire support itemization.

SaezioFeb 5, 20202 votes

You do understand the heal and shield on redemption affects the active itself right? Also the solari shield. The guardian shield.

I mean idk what rakan buys, but I would hate to see him shoehorned into spellthiefs.

Thresh Tahm Taric and senna also have parts on their kit that benefit from the occasional redemption/censer

Edgar Alan DroFeb 5, 20201 votes

if you want tank on him, you buy the tank items, if you want healing on him you build spellthiefs. thats how rakan works?

the locket doesnt give heal and shield power in the item in itself anyways?

SaezioFeb 5, 20202 votes

Why does spell thiefs fit the "healling" category? It's literally a poke item. It would be more fitting on the tank item, and enchanters that want to poke go spellthief and enchanters that want to heal go tank item.

Like.... Why do you want to have the entire support itemisation ruined? xD They are already simply nerfing soraka top.

Also, you are not even bothering with stuff like karma mid who almost always goes censer

Edgar Alan DroFeb 5, 20201 votes

if karma mid got used like soraka top do you really think riot wouldnt nerf her again too like they did when she was top.

Edgar Alan DroFeb 5, 20201 votes

thresh tahm and taric you dont build ardent or athenes or any of those items in the first place. redemption is the ONLY one giving heal and shield power.

so just buff redemptions base healing?

SaezioFeb 5, 20203 votes

You have to read my previous reply again. Seems like you didn't get it.

Redemption heal and shield helps tahm's heal/shield/guardian proc Thresh W is also boosted by redemption, same with his guardian and the solari shield is also boosted by the heal+shield power Taric builds redemption which benefits his Q,W and guardian, also boosts his solari, and he DOES buy ardent if the game is long as 4 th item or so

You also forget that stuff like shurelias/mikaels have heal+shield power that would benefit all the above and are built on many of those champs if required..

Edgar Alan DroFeb 5, 20201 votes

i did forget im just here for discussion.

Edgar Alan DroFeb 5, 20201 votes

other option, either AP support item gives the bonus healing and shield power

Edgar Alan DroFeb 5, 20201 votes

also, who doesnt take spellthiefs that builds ardent, athenes, or mikaels?

redemption is the ONLY item that any one takes that has heal or shield power that anyone who buys ANY support item gets. and thats really only it giving itself a pat on the back.

What would happen if Heal and Shield power was moved to the support item?

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