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My opinion on the changes to Veigar

Mouchi··8 votes·759 views

I think this is my actual first post on these forums in all the 3-4 years I've played this game. I'm legitimately this upset by these changes to actually post on here.

Veigar is a squishy burst mage with no mobility. I can't dash to anyone for the kill with him, nor escape an assassin with him without some form of reliable CC. I also can't land my really slow W without cc either. So why on earth are you removing his only cc in the game. Nobody is going to walk over the HI THERE's GONNA BE A STUN HERE line nor am I going to be able to hit a "trapped" player with my meteor.

So what we're left with after "caging" them is q and r. Q is unreliable as a skillshot, but at least it's something I guess. R still does good damage even after the nerf, but it was already prone to getting blocked by zhonias if you missed the stun. Also if veigar walks up into 650 range to ult, he's going to get CCd or killed by the not stunned enemy team.

He's going to be even weaker in lane with the q nerf. So essentially what you're making him into is mid nasus. Which will really not work well considering mid is supposed to be one of if not the most influential lane on the game. Mid is roaming, where is Veigar? Still mid farming, he can't fight anyone till he has 2000 ap now.

I really don't understand what you're doing here rito, I really don't. You have added counterplay to champion already very easily countered.

I've used Veigar for over 3 years now, I've used him through hard times like when fizz and talon were very popular in mid. He was my first champion bought, and is my favorite champion to play as.

I'm dropping him in any serious play if these changes go through.

9 Comments

xLegendary Troll2 votes

Do you realize how toxic and aggrevating it is to be hit by an AoE stun instantly? You can be ahead in CS by 50, but once he hits level 6 all of your hard work is done. There is absolutely nothing you can do against a Veigar as an AP mid. To make things worse, he can initiate on you by flashing in and stunning you. There is no counter play. You're aggrevated because you're never on the receiving end of this bullshit. Shut up and pick up a fair champion to play.

Hupsis1 votes

Same goes for Annie and Tibbers...

jjookkeerr1 votes

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Do you realize how toxic and aggrevating it is to be hit by an AoE stun instantly? You can be ahead in CS by 50, but once he hits level 6 all of your hard work is done. There is absolutely nothing you can do against a Veigar as an AP mid. To make things worse, he can initiate on you by flashing in and stunning you. There is no counter play. You're aggrevated because you're never on the receiving end of this bullshit. Shut up and pick up a fair champion to play.

mercury treads ...

Mouchi2 votes

Oh boy I found the salt.

Do you really think I haven't played against a veigar before? Rush Mr, particularly stuff like Merc Treads or abyssal scepter. Or even health if you think rushing Mr is really dumb for some reason. Or just don't first pick Karthus like a scrub, that's good too.

Like for real Veigar is countered by playing safe in the back line and buying such wonders as Banshees, quicksilver sash, zhonias, and merc treads.

xLegendary Troll1 votes

So playing Karthus is scrub but playing a champion with a stun so powerful it's an ultimate itself is alright?

Again, items are not counter play. You sound like the idiots that suggest Zhonya to counter Zed

Legostrike2 votes

...what is counterplay if not decisions made in game to deal with a situation that is presented? ...like buying items to deal with a particular champion....

Do people really not like augmenting their builds this much?

Mouchi1 votes

Just by the fact that you refuse to understand what I wrote down, and just picked certain parts to argue on speaks to me of what kind of player you are.

No, what I said was first picking Karthus is bad. He is a champion that is absolutely shit on by assassins and junglers with powerful ganks. He is quite a good pick when you know you can lane safely.

Veigar e is indeed strong yes, it needs to be as his entire kit works off of it. Is it some press e to win button? No lol, if it was he'd clearly be pick or ban. Good positioning and mobility spells actually make it pretty hard for veigar to land a good E on his target, let alone 2-3 other people. And if he misses it's going to be down for an entire teamfight.

And if you want to keep on building the same shit over and over again even in lanes where you are countered you can go ahead and do that, I can't stop you. It'll just make you look much worse when complaining about X champion that counters you.

xLegendary Troll1 votes

the bottom line is that he got nerfed. No point in arguing over it. I was simply stating why they did it.

I'll have you know that my Karthus is good. I don't have a problem with assassins. The only one I have a problem with is Leblanc early game but Karthus outscales her hard and is more useful in team fights. You're pretty much defending a spell that has 0 reaction time.

NeoBlaze81 votes

You have no idea, go play some acrobátic lee sin, máster yi and get lost

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