Darius/Garen kill indicator?

IllBanYasuo·Nov 18, 2019·3 votes·1,576 views

So as i writed, why and dont have kill indicators like I mean cmon, if you add mechanic like that that let you know when executing someone, every champ that is using exacute mechanic should have indicator..... i know i know..... bronze players would cry they eyes out thats true..... but its really biiiiig inconsistency with that..... Why Pyle can R whole enemy team(giving 2 gold for each kill remind you) but darius cant have indicator? Why Urgot/Cho can have execute indicator but Garen cant have one? I mean..... its seems like "bllsht" for low elo..... so those champ dont gonna make people cry, and only that..... i seem and feel unfair...... take all exacute indicators(that would great so champs would need actual skill) or give them to all who use R's like exacute with true damage......

I hope you can read and understand my point here, i just see this as really unfair treatment for Garen and Darius

8 Comments

Cind3rkickNov 18, 20193 votes

Urgot and Pyke have it because they have literal executes, meaning it does infinite damage below a certain point. Darius and Garen dont have executes but just deal more damage based on missing health.

Cho is an exception do this but im assuming its because he also gains health from killing and your average tank cho-gath would be doint way less damage than garen/darius, meaning he needs his ult kill as soon as he can.

IllBanYasuoNov 18, 20192 votes

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Urgot and Pyke have it because they have literal executes, meaning it does infinite damage below a certain point. Darius and Garen dont have executes but just deal more damage based on missing health.

Cho is an exception do this but im assuming its because he also gains health from killing and your average tank cho-gath would be doint way less damage than garen/darius, meaning he needs his ult kill as soon as he can.

Well..... Not really, its about same damage as Garen and Darius, add Gargoyle for Cho'gath and there it is one shot on adc with 90% health..... 300 + 10% Bonus hp, and 50%ap I belive on level 6 garen have 150 damage + 20% missing health..... i mean its pretty similar thru course of game and mind you both are tanks, Garen can be kited, where cho land Q, you are in mid air, W so you cant flash, AA and he eats you(I am toplane main and love garen, cho, darius, urgot in similar fashion) As for darius, he gets about 300? With all bonuses on level 6. 100+ 100% with stacks + noxian might (+75% bonus AD) I mean, its kind of true that urgot and pyke had "infinite" but that dont change a fact where they have indicators instead of "counting" to kill, same with cho'gath, i get it that Garen is simpler than Cho, as for Darius..... I hate when enemy stay with 20hp after my R and i dont get a reset, but there is important thing, why? Why Cho can flash R on someone beause he is 100% sure about kill, and Darius and Garen cant do same? I mean there should be consistency, take out all exacutes marks, or give them to all...... Bah! Even damn zed have one(When shuriken over enemy head start spinning its mean Zed kill with his R on actual enemy health treshhold) So i dont see your points as strong opposition to my points about giving indicators to all, or deleting it. Those would be really strong points if not for Cho and Zed

Few more words about Cho gath, he need execute to get max hp(remember old times when he stack only 6 and lose half on death :D) ? Well Darius need execute to proc his passive and become real champion in teamfight

Cind3rkickNov 18, 20191 votes

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Well..... Not really, its about same damage as Garen and Darius, add Gargoyle for Cho'gath and there it is one shot on adc with 90% health..... 300 + 10% Bonus hp, and 50%ap I belive on level 6 garen have 150 damage + 20% missing health..... i mean its pretty similar thru course of game and mind you both are tanks, Garen can be kited, where cho land Q, you are in mid air, W so you cant flash, AA and he eats you(I am toplane main and love garen, cho, darius, urgot in similar fashion) As for darius, he gets about 300? With all bonuses on level 6. 100+ 100% with stacks + noxian might (+75% bonus AD) I mean, its kind of true that urgot and pyke had "infinite" but that dont change a fact where they have indicators instead of "counting" to kill, same with cho'gath, i get it that Garen is simpler than Cho, as for Darius..... I hate when enemy stay with 20hp after my R and i dont get a reset, but there is important thing, why? Why Cho can flash R on someone beause he is 100% sure about kill, and Darius and Garen cant do same? I mean there should be consistency, take out all exacutes marks, or give them to all...... Bah! Even damn zed have one(When shuriken over enemy head start spinning its mean Zed kill with his R on actual enemy health treshhold) So i dont see your points as strong opposition to my points about giving indicators to all, or deleting it. Those would be really strong points if not for Cho and Zed

Few more words about Cho gath, he need execute to get max hp(remember old times when he stack only 6 and lose half on death :D) ? Well Darius need execute to proc his passive and become real champion in teamfight

I agree with you that it makes no sense with Cho having onebut not darius/garen.

Though Cho had his before stoneplate was even though of. Where he wouldnt be instakilling an enemy squishy.

As for Zed, its a timed thing showing damage over a duration. If anything its more helpful to the target than Zed.

ImTheJuggernautyNov 18, 20191 votes

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Urgot and Pyke have it because they have literal executes, meaning it does infinite damage below a certain point. Darius and Garen dont have executes but just deal more damage based on missing health.

Cho is an exception do this but im assuming its because he also gains health from killing and your average tank cho-gath would be doint way less damage than garen/darius, meaning he needs his ult kill as soon as he can.

Darius doesn't deal damage based on missing hp. And while some executes MORE CLOSELY fit the idea of an actual execute, such as pyke and urgot, champs like darius and garen still fit under the broader envelope of executes.

Lets say there are three degrees of executes:

Pyke, Urgot (Executes under an hp threshold)
Garen (missing %)
Darius, Cho (Darius resets on kill, which is a big part of his teamfight contribution, and cho needs to execute a champ, monster, etc, in order to gain bonus HP, but both darius and cho deal the same damage regardless of the hp of the opponent)

I do agree with the OP that there should be some consistency one way or the other, but mostly, I'd just be happy if the removed the indicator from pyke (among other nerfs) and made that champ just require skill instead of relying on an easy overloaded kit.

Emperor TalquinNov 18, 20193 votes

Urgot and pyke ults are actual executes that deal 9999 damage.

DunkoholicNov 18, 20192 votes

As much as I would love for Darius to have kill indicator on Noxian Guillotine, it would make it unstoppable in team fights, since you can recast it and knowing when to press R would make Darius way too good and way too easy.

ImTheJuggernautyNov 18, 20191 votes

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As much as I would love for Darius to have kill indicator on Noxian Guillotine, it would make it unstoppable in team fights, since you can recast it and knowing when to press R would make Darius way too good and way too easy.

While I don't necessarily care to give it to darius, and just believe it should be removed on everyone but urgot, I nonetheless believe you are wrong. Darius's main weaknesses do not belong to his lack of an indicator in the SLIGHTEST. His main weaknesses are low range, zero inherent mobility, telegraphed abilities, stack time, and lack of defensive tools (sustain is regenerative, not defensive), which all add up to him being very counterplayable in teamfights, and against many mobile or ranged champs. He can easily be endlessly CC'd, quickly dps'd, etc.

Giving him an indicator would only help the bad and new darius be a little better, but it wouldn't help the good ones much at all

IllBanYasuoNov 19, 20191 votes

I would love to get insight from Riot, but i dont think they will take voice about it...... :/