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Does anyone actually like the New Draft Mode? Cause I loved it

TheFireLives··9 votes·1,171 views

I see so much toxicity towards riot rn and honestly i like where there going and what they've done and i feel like i'm the lone one out

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Tahngarthor3 votes

I might have liked it if I actually got into a game, but I queued for nearly an hour before the system was disabled due to technical issues (likely causing the aforementioned excessive wait time).

TheFireLives1 votes

I dont seem to be having that problem....What roles are you choosing? Maybe it was due to early launch....

Century Child3 votes

It's really nice and a perfect replacement for draft mode. It's great.

The removal of Team Builder is what I think most people are fired up about, and for good reason imo.

TheFireLives1 votes

Do you enjoy that they are at least trying? To me Team Builder felt like it was missing something and that it didnt work properly...

Century Child2 votes

I really never had a single problem with team builder, aside from somewhat longer waits due to waiting for a support. I really really really like the new champ select, and it's great as the new draft pick, they did a superb job with it.

Here's the thing though, I never played draft pick before. I only play as much ranked each season as it takes to secure my border for another season. I don't like waiting for bans, and I don't like being pigeonholed into support because that's always going to be my secondary role, if not my primary. If I feel like playing support, great, I love playing Leona and Janna and I've got no problem with it. But just a few days ago, I picked Elise up again and had a blast playing her in the jungle, and I was hoping to get mastery with her sometime soon. It feels like my ability to choose exactly what I want to play, and where has been stripped from me. No more grinding mastery, and no more having teams that actually want you on their team because they chose you . Not the matchmaking.

I don't want to play ranked-adjacent in my free time, hoping that I get picked to play something other than support, I don't want to have teammates who are going to bitch to me about picking a more meta jungler, and I _really _ don't want to be punished for leaving a team of people who I can tell immediately that I absolutely do not want to play with. Team Builder was my answer to these problems. I'll be honest, it was news to me when I found out that team builder was a minority pick when it came to queue picks. I thought nobody played blind pick anymore because I can't imagine why you would choose blind pick over Team Builder. I guess that's just an opinion based thing.

I like that Riot is trying, I guess. I love their game (most of the time), but when they roll something new out that's supposed to "fix" all these problems that were never really problems for me, and then throw one of my favorite game types out the window, it feels a bit like I'm being cheated. Call me a filthy casual, but I like being on a Katarina kick and playing her five games in a row if I want to, without anyone saying a single word. But at the end of the day, if TB is gone for good, I'll play draft, I'll just have to say goodbye to having the freedom of playing whatever I want whenever I want. Like every other thing that riot has done that felt like the end of the world upon it's initial release (ahem Garen Darius Mordekaiser) , I'll persevere and hope that there's light at the end of the tunnel. Or maybe I'll finally git gud.

It sort of just feels like fixing something that didn't need fixing, you know? Sorry for this novel, lmao, I just have lots of things to say.

TheFireLives2 votes

I actually agree on the whole being choke pointed into a Supp Dude dont apologise for your opinion and your not exactly telling Riot to go F itself. I feel like im stuck Blitzcrank /Leona more than i actually ever get to Jungle...And i always get told 3 roles before ranked and i dont really get to practice 3 roles even in blind pick norms.

Maybe they will bring Team Builder Back in the late season after seeing how this was received? To me i think riot is taking bold moves but for a community Based game they should Have a little wiggle room to accommodate their players i guess

Century Child2 votes

Thanks for being one of the more level-headed people in the community. It's refreshing.

And yeah, I'm hoping they'll bring it back. My worry is that they think that new champ select is team builder, but perfected. Which, to me, it definitely is not.

Team builder was a very user-controlled thing. You build the team. Now, matchmaking does it for you. Which is efficient, and if people don't mind that, good on them. Go wild, play draft to your heart's content. Meanwhile I'll be wondering why the things that I loved most about TB are all things that riot apparently considers "problems".

Maybe I do need to learn to be more flexible, maybe I'll enjoy myself more if I pick fill every game and roll with whatever matchmaking gives me. It's worth a shot! But goodbye to grinding mastery on one specific champion at a time.

TheFireLives1 votes

I feel liek they do think so....But they ask for surveys all the time and in my experience they actually listen so try it out

Swerzz3 votes

New champ select = best champ select

TheFireLives1 votes

I think its really well. DO you miss team builder?

Swerzz2 votes

I'll miss it sure, but i'll get over it. Team builder, just like the new champ select, had it's own flaws. I think people just really hate the new one because of some bugs at release. Once everything get sorted out properly, people will start to see the potential in the new champ select.

The Sword Saint3 votes

No you're right, it's great. But some people will always find a reason to whine.

iKaneki iKen2 votes

Are you seriously trying to invalidate other peoples opinions because they don't align with your own opinion?

The Sword Saint1 votes

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Are you seriously trying to invalidate other peoples opinions because they don't align with your own opinion?

Rather I am seriously pointing out that there are many many people on these boards who either outright troll to get reactions out of people or have an irrational dislike of Riot in general and look for any reason to talk down any decision they make. This is on top of the amount of people who come to the boards to whine and find an excuse anytime something happens to them in game.

There are of course people with seriously and legitimate concerns and complaints (I personally wish they keep the teambuilder ability to guarantee being able to play a specific champ in a specific lane in normal blinds), but the vast majority of people here just bitch for the sake of bitching and talk way too pessimistically (I for example choose to believe that Riot will hear the need to have a teambuilder esque ability to pick a champ in normals and will consider that when they adapt New Champ Select to blind pick later on).

And yes, your opinion is invalid if you decide to state it as a fact and back up that 'fact' with nothing (ie: 'I hate new champ select because Riot isn't going to punish people who troll' and such nonsense).

iKaneki iKen1 votes

Personally, I've never came onto the boards to whine at all, some decisions Riot has made I've questioned and openly complained about in game, but this is the first time a decision they've made has got me on this board to ask why in the ever living hell did they remove Team Builder completely.

And before you accuse me for not giving it an honest go, I participated in the beta for it when it was in the PBE for a week, I played about 5 games inside that matchmaker and each queue took around 30-50 minutes before I actually got in game. On the live servers it took a little less time, but after queueing up 3 to 4 times, the same problems that persisted in PBEs DCS persist in the live server DCS, the queue time is longer than the queue time ever was on Team Builder, most team build queues would take no longer than 10 minutes whereas all the DCS queue times took around 15 to 34 minutes because of all the constant dodges, it found players faster, but the players left immediately if they found out that they didn't get the role they want.

All in all, I myself am going to be taking a break from League for a while until I see some development done. Either bring in the same system where you chose your absolute champ and role or bring back team builder, if it doesn't happen then I'm quitting League, and probably all MOBAs for that matter. I like choice, I don't like having choices taken from me.

YossarianSensei3 votes

The draft mode is fine

The Dynamic Matchmaking is literally Hitler in my book

TheFireLives1 votes

What do you mean?

YossarianSensei2 votes

Duo queue was bad enough, now Dynamic Matchmaking allows for any sized group

It completely changes the game. Not only is it frustrating that if you want to play 'solo' queue you're probably going to be lumped in with a premade, it also encourages abusive strategies that only premades can pull off while solo queuers just get dumped on.

It also changes the metrics of the system, solo queue rank means so much less when there are excessive numbers of ways to cheese your way to a higher rank. While a true solo queue Diamond player had to climb with solo queue game sense and mechanics, a 'premade' Diamond player can easily cheese his way up the ladder with a coordinated group which is pretty damn unfair because now the second Diamond player has a boosted 'solo queue' rank even though the skills and strategies he used to get there aren't really part of solo queue.

I'm somewhat speaking out of experience because before they changed it in Heroes of the Storm, I just played with a premade 3 man that abused the ladder system so that I'd gain a bunch of points for a win and lose almost nothing which allowed me to climb to mid masters even with mediocre skill. I'd imagine similar strategies are possible in LoL now.

TheFireLives1 votes

I Feel like they are keeping the same thing they had with Team Builder...If you were a team of 4 with one Rando they tried thier best to find a similar que...Or maybe my understanding of how Premades work is wrong. But i see where you going I was stomped on in HOTS cause of guys liek you XD I know they always try and make the numbers work evenly when it comes to ranked in LOL so maybe they will bring back some solo/duo with the new system ya kno?

Tahngarthor1 votes

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Duo queue was bad enough, now Dynamic Matchmaking allows for any sized group

It completely changes the game. Not only is it frustrating that if you want to play 'solo' queue you're probably going to be lumped in with a premade, it also encourages abusive strategies that only premades can pull off while solo queuers just get dumped on.

It also changes the metrics of the system, solo queue rank means so much less when there are excessive numbers of ways to cheese your way to a higher rank. While a true solo queue Diamond player had to climb with solo queue game sense and mechanics, a 'premade' Diamond player can easily cheese his way up the ladder with a coordinated group which is pretty damn unfair because now the second Diamond player has a boosted 'solo queue' rank even though the skills and strategies he used to get there aren't really part of solo queue.

I'm somewhat speaking out of experience because before they changed it in Heroes of the Storm, I just played with a premade 3 man that abused the ladder system so that I'd gain a bunch of points for a win and lose almost nothing which allowed me to climb to mid masters even with mediocre skill. I'd imagine similar strategies are possible in LoL now.

Dude, you're just theorycrafting, you have no proof of any of this. Yes, you can get matched with a group of 4 as a solo. But the other team will also be a group of 4 with a solo. So it affects both sides the same way each game. Solo players can't get "dumped on." Premades can't "easily cheese up the ladder" because they will be facing other premades. The overall difficulty should be around the same.

YossarianSensei1 votes

How is this theorycraft?

Go 3 man queue with Mid /Support /Jungler and see how unfair it is yourself. It's so easy for a premade to dominate vision and map control because they're coordinated.

It doesn't matter that both sides have a 'solo queuer', being that 1 guy sucks because you have proportionally less control over the game, but your ELO is on the line just like the premades.

And no, the difficulty is not the same because solo queue and premade are completely different, that's why there are Diamond players who can't get gold Ranked 5's and vice versa.

Tahngarthor1 votes

{quoted}

How is this theorycraft?

Go 3 man queue with Mid /Support /Jungler and see how unfair it is yourself. It's so easy for a premade to dominate vision and map control because they're coordinated.

It doesn't matter that both sides have a 'solo queuer', being that 1 guy sucks because you have proportionally less control over the game, but your ELO is on the line just like the premades.

And no, the difficulty is not the same because solo queue and premade are completely different, that's why there are Diamond players who can't get gold Ranked 5's and vice versa.

Thie difficulty is entirely the same because soloqueue and premade are really not that different. Also, both teams are subject to the same things happening, thus it is not an imbalance nor is it unfair in anyway towards either the solo player or the group he's with. If anything, it's actually better because there's less toxicity among duos/trios/etc.

This i've heard about a seperate solo only queue is going to destroy things. now we'll have people saying one queue or the other is the "real test of skill" and if you got silver/gold/whatever in one, they'll say "oh, that doesnt count, because you're a premade/solo pleb" (whichever is percieved as "easier" even though your expected win rate is 50% regardless)

I've played many games under the system, and generally I can't even tell when there's premades in the game unless I see people in the team talking to eachother like they know them.

KVbqbFsC8e2 votes

I don't like it at all.

TheFireLives1 votes

Why is tht?

DarkBretticus2 votes

I very much enjoyed the games I played in it, however after my first two I have not been able to play another. The client will crash forcing me to relog after which the same issue persists, that is my issue with champ select, not that I think it is bad in anyway.

Maximum Morde2 votes

You see negative because of reporting bias. People are way more likely to speak out when they dislike something than when they like it

TheFireLives1 votes

I guess i see that. But people are literally going Ape Crazy....In all their notes they try and make a point of Saying Best of Team Builder/best of Draft they have alot that could have been considered. Especially since i dont play ranked out of being forced to support all the time i dont want my 10 games to be based on that.

Sneakyy XD2 votes

Compared to the old draft mode, it's fine, other than being even slower.

The problem is team builder got removed.

TheFireLives1 votes

But Why was Team builder so quintessential you can still choose two roles you prefer?

Tahngarthor2 votes

" being that 1 guy sucks because you have proportionally less control over the game,"

This is absurd. You don't have less control over the game.

  1. being with a premade doesn't suddenly increase or decrease your skill level. You have the same ability to push lanes, win team fights, etc as any other player would
  2. Communication: There are popular voice services available now like Discord that allow you to easily add anyone temporarily (e.g. for a single game), and you can still text chat and use pings, the same techniques anyone uses to communicate.
  3. You can only match with people within one tier if you (same as always) where ranked teams don't have that restriction.

"And no, the difficulty is not the same because solo queue and premade are completely different, that's why there are Diamond players who can't get gold Ranked 5's and vice versa." premades of 5 will always be matched against premades of 5, premades of 4 will always be a group of 4 and a soloer vs a group of 4 and a soloer. Both teams have a solo member thus it is fair and your odds aren't lower. The reason you might have a hard time in Ranked Teams 5v5 queue specifically is because it is more populated by higher skilled players and thus it is more likely that your team of 5 will be matched against a strong team regardless of tier. But since these "premades" in the regular queue don't necessarily have anything binding them together, plus there's all the solo queuers and smaller groups, and you're always been matched against teams of similar composition, the pro effect isn't likely to be a factor. As a solo player you will never see a 5 man premade, so those will have no effect on your queue experience.

TheFireLives2 votes

well said

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