That moment when you want your own main to be nerfed

WacingTheFind·Aug 28, 2016·178 votes·8,241 views

Yes, I'm obviously talking about , I'm a main with 408k mastery points on him, but I'm seeing these "mains" abusing his new ~~stupid~~ builds and having success with him without knowing how to play him properly.

And this situation sucks, because it draws unwanted attention to the champion, making him even more hated and banned, reducing my and other true mains chances of playing him (not to mention that people mistake me for those "mains", it's infuriating)

I still remember, back in patch 4.18, when Yasuo was overnerfed and his winrate was below 43% winrate, he wasn't banned and only dedicated people picked him, it was truly challenging to play him back then, but it was worth it (high risk-high reward).

So, if it takes a overnerf to get rid of those meta sheep/copycats and to remove all this attention from Yasuo, so be it.

215 Comments

Sahn UzalAug 28, 201625 votes

I feel ya, as a main. After the nerfs, Gangplanks winrate dropped from 52% to 47%, so I'm hoping he'll be considered balanced soon.

Spizzle9000Aug 28, 20163 votes

As a Vladimir , I still have no idea why Riot is so damn intent on nerfing him while Yasuo exists. Like I don't want Vlad to be OP but he has literally the lowest winrate of any top lane pick atm item 3070

Sahn UzalAug 28, 20162 votes

I really don't mind laning vs Vlad, he's much easier to abuse than a lot of other champions.

Remlap1223Aug 28, 20163 votes

He needs another gameplay update. My ideas:

Grant him double gold and SS on large monster kills (for the return of jungle Gangplank). Axe the bonus damage to champions on his barrels. Have them be a guaranteed crit that scales with crit chance and damage modifiers, change the penetration to flat pen, and have the slow decay. Have the barrels have a one second prime time at all levels. Revert the cooldown and damage nerfs, but have his ultimate have a delay with a visual and audio warning that he's ulting. Remove the fire at will upgrade and replace it with warning shots that gives it live functionality.

President Swa1nAug 29, 20166 votes

IMHO, very few champions are actually broken. I strongly believe there is a legitimate way to play to counter every champion. I KNOW practically no one will agree with me and I'm about to get downvoted to hell, but that's just what I think. The last champion I believe that was OP was Sona a couple of patches ago.

And I REALIZE I'm Bronze, to all those about to comment that; IDC. This is my honest opinion and I don't believe it will change.

maikokkAug 29, 20162 votes

sona is still broken as shit but ya you are mostly correct

GayFluffyUnicornAug 29, 20163 votes

Nah people talk about "broken" and overpowered but never witnessed diana release. She brought me from silver V to gold V. I had a 30 or 40games winning streak. Get three kills in mid. Jump in 1v5, triple kill and walk out.

ThiccNuggAug 29, 20162 votes

There have been some champs that were seriously broken, there's actually 1 or more Youtube videos about this if you wanted to experience a little history. That being said, bans are the perfect counter to any champ.

Joe ManaAug 28, 201613 votes

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DraygenBiscuitAug 28, 20168 votes

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same with idk why he hasnt been nerfed yet lol

I could be wrong but I think I read somewhere that they were planning to rework the assassin class in general so most likely they don't feel like wasting the time to bother with a champ they are reworking.

AdriqnoheeAug 28, 20162 votes

Yeah they're doing a class update on assassins now, while he isn't one of the big four that are getting big changes, I wouldn't be surprised if he got a update to his kit.

JustMonika13Aug 28, 20162 votes

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Yeah they're doing a class update on assassins now, while he isn't one of the big four that are getting big changes, I wouldn't be surprised if he got a update to his kit.

-Obligatory Yasuo isn't an Assassin, he's a Skirmisher statement here (tired of saying the same thing over and over again.)-

MrryZAug 28, 20168 votes

Obligatory skirmisher is an assassin subclass.

JustMonika13Aug 28, 20163 votes

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Obligatory skirmisher is an assassin subclass.

Obligatory Skirmisher isn't a subclass but shares the same classification as Slayers with Assassins.

To be serious though, the difference between the two is pretty clear: Assassins deal high end burst but can usually only delete squishy carries or supports before having to leave less they get banged by the more durable enemies while Skirmishers can deal extremely sustained damage against anyone and everything in their path and have defensive tools in their kits to keep them in fights. They're supposed to stay in fights, not run away after killing someone. Even before the Bruiser Yasuo meta, his usual builds had him build two, sometimes one defensive items as his last items in order to avoid being easy to blow up.

MrryZAug 28, 20164 votes

Realistically though, a skirmisher is someone who jumps in on a squishy, gets their damage off and leaves because they don't have the tankiness/sustain to last in a fight. They then repeat this until the target dies. You basically described a fighter which is moreso what yasuo is as he has the lifesteal and sheer damage to keep a sustained fight going. He can be both a fighter or a skirmisher, it just depends on your playstyle

Velzard of KozAug 28, 20162 votes

Yes he got that wrong. Skirmisher is supposed to be melee poker, going in, doing damage and getting away. Ekko this way fits Skirmisher as he gets MS buff when he triggers his Passive. Fiora gets MS buff when she hits Vital. Yasuo can use his dash-in and dash-out pattern.

WacingTheFindAug 28, 20164 votes

According to riot's new classification, both skirmisher and assassin are subclasses of slayer.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/gameplay/dev-blog-classes-subclasses

^^ Link that serves as proof.

KeevalroyAug 28, 201612 votes

It's a difficult situation because there's three problems that go into this.

Yasuo is unhealthy. Period. You can argue how fun to play he is, but that's not an excuse for defending his toxic kit.
Keystones are bullshit. The mastery rework this year added even more balance levers for the already incompetent balance team and introduced way too much free power for everyone, not just him.
The Triforce buff was completely unnecessary and created many more problems than it solved (the story of season 6 in a nutshell.)

Does he need nerfs? I'd argue for a full-scale rework, but that's just me being biased. I also think keystones need removed since for how much they "spiced up" the game, they kinda ruined everything and are continuing to ruin everything in terms of balance. Then there's Triforce...change it back?

DJMason88Aug 29, 20163 votes

I think they need to remove some parts of his kit. I just started playing Yasou and i have been doing decently with him, but oh my god does he have an overloaded kit. More crit chance (with a little tiny drawback that doesn't matter) Free shield that blocks damage from every ability including ignite that you get from WALKING, resource less, a practically no-cd dash,tornado that knocks up and applies on hit-effects and scales off of AS, wall that blocks every projectile and destroys them, ult that keeps enemies suspended in air and deals damage while also giving him armor pen for the next 15 seconds.

TNHA BaritoneAug 28, 20169 votes

You sir have a conscience. I remember wanting Karma to get nerfed a couple patches earlier and then Riot removes her ability to shield minions meanwhile Alistar is the biggest offender of healing minions.

WacingTheFindAug 28, 20165 votes

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You sir have a conscience.

Indeed I have, I feel guilty for trying out the Frozen Force build in ranked, that build is filthy, it denies the very concept of Yasuo (the agile swordsman that defeats hordes of enemies with skillfull use of his sword and wind, not by brute forcing his way through them with tankiness)

AptestAug 28, 20169 votes

Not a Yasuo player. I've had to ban him yesterday, just to have 1 game without him. The game is becoming stale, because all you see is Yasuo mid, Yasuo top.

JustMonika13Aug 28, 201614 votes

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Not a Yasuo player. I've had to ban him yesterday, just to have 1 game without him. The game is becoming stale, because all you see is Yasuo mid, Yasuo top.

Like it or not, even when Yasuo isn't strong, he has an extremely large and dedicated fanbase due to his theme and fantasy, how fun his kit is to play with, and the sheer amount of attention he gets from Youtubers and them Outplays Videos on Youtube.

AptestAug 28, 20169 votes

I am not upset that yasuo is a successful champion. Successful meaning, people like playing him even if he is weak and they lose.

I can say that I am slightly annoyed at how little game-play a _good _ yasuo player "permits" his opponent. And you can definitely put him in the list of "your opponent is not having any fun" champions. Alongside lulu of all champions. But this is not the point of this thread. There are a lot of yasuo QQ threads i can pollute if i really wanted to say "yasuo toxic waa waa waa".

I am just annoyed at having the same champion appear all the time in just about every game. I guess i'll just ban him to have a varied game.

AcidTheWarlockAug 28, 20167 votes

I got so mad when Vlad and Azir got trashed

tilted so hard those days

That's an over overnerf

but sometimes you gotta get rid of cancer, so I feel you

but if Ekko gets dumpstered with the nerf bat, I'm gonna be kind of mad since AP Ekko is super fun, and tank is utter boring bullshit

Spizzle9000Aug 28, 20165 votes

IKR

Vlad wasn't even that OP when they decided to literally shaft him. He has been sitting at a winrate below 47% in the top lane for months now :/

FantasySniperAug 28, 20165 votes

How to fix Yasuo:

Nerf him into the ground.
Take him off free week.
Leave him for dead for a fraction of the time that Yorick was buried because Riot likes to play favorites.
He gets the rework that fixes his abominably unhealthy kit.

Cookimonster316Aug 29, 20163 votes

That isn't how to balance a champion.

FantasySniperAug 29, 20166 votes

That's exactly what they did to Yorick and what they almost did to Ryze.

It's either this or Yasuo's ban rate will continue to rise until he's just like Kassadin. Perpetually banned because Riot refuses to nerf them into unviability.

ElewdAug 29, 20162 votes

they did it to poppy as well.

MarshbouyAug 28, 20164 votes

(sort of) ryze main here. He's still 43% winrate, i gotta wait until after worlds to even hope he get's buffs

DraygenBiscuitAug 28, 201648 votes

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(sort of) ryze main here. He's still 43% winrate, i gotta wait until after worlds to even hope he get's buffs

Oh is his rework not working? That's unfortunate....

MarshbouyAug 28, 20163 votes

I'm more amazed at the fact that you managed to get the name markarth then how dumb your comment was. High skillcap mage with huge teamfight strengths? That's how he was pre and post rework...

DraygenBiscuitAug 28, 201626 votes

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I'm more amazed at the fact that you managed to get the name markarth then how dumb your comment was. High skillcap mage with huge teamfight strengths? That's how he was pre and post rework...

No I was just saying from what I had seen from the champion spotlight he seemed like the rework was gonna be pretty good. Its sad that he it's not working since a good Ryze can bring so much more to the game and to team fights. A good Ryze ult can easily make or break a game. Its sad that such potential is going to waste.

MarshbouyAug 28, 20166 votes

Its sad that such potential is going to waste.

that's because low elo (and higher elos) rarely have any idea how to use it. LCS players do know how to use it though.

Warlord ZudaneAug 28, 201622 votes

Bronze II player here. I hate his ult, I have not played a game where it's come in handy yet. LCS players make some cool moves with it - but I suck with it, and those I've seen play with him suck with it.

Only complaint about Ryze is that he needs to be removed from the starting champ set, he's not a starting champion anymore.

TFBaamAug 28, 20168 votes

then dont use ryze ult for repostioning or fighting, just use it for chasing and moving a big ass wave from bot to mid. that and moving your minion wave immediatly under turret to do a easy dive enemy will forget about the minions ALSO fun fact after ulting minions under fountain laser no matter what you do the fountain will always target the minions before champions so ez fountain dives

I was LupxelAug 28, 20169 votes

How as a Ryze main you want buffs? I don't even "main" him and I rekt my games with him. He is insanitly good and honestly fine

MarshbouyAug 28, 20163 votes

https://champion.gg/champion/Ryze/Middle statistics say otherwise.

I was LupxelAug 28, 20165 votes

Your thinking has flaws. Statistics are lyiers: you learn it at school. The only thing it says is that the ones who play him suck

Toplane FencerAug 28, 20169 votes

Statistics are the only reliable source of information you have - you just need to look at them carefully and have a large sample size. Statistics show that Ryze sucks in SoloQ.

These statistics show nothing about Ryze's relevance in LCS however. There, he might actually be good. But the one thing you always need to remember is that statistics can't lie. They can be incomplete and not show the whole picture though.

TesliumAug 29, 20161 votes

Why are you getting so many downvotes? lol

MarshbouyAug 29, 20162 votes

that's my question too, i didn't say anything wrong in my first comment but i can understand the others. I was a bit of an ass and misunderstood markarth.

GetcuxcdAug 28, 20164 votes

you are awesome mate a non biased yas main faith in humanity restored!

WacingTheFindAug 28, 20165 votes

I try to keep my personal feelings about a subject away in order to better analyze the situation, and it's clear that the tank build is away too strong right now.

AninLegions777Aug 28, 20164 votes

Yasuo mid is balanced in a way. Too "Glass cannony". But Yasuo top is BS man. Could easily 1v1 a Malph with ease. I think I should add this, a good Wukong top shits on Yas. Any which way. High base dmg and AD scalings, AS steroids, Nightmare ult and that W for outplaying hard. Other than that, Nasus with maxed W is the key.

BultzAug 28, 20162 votes

As much as I don't like anybody being able to use my main without skill, him being strong is not a reason for nerfs and I honestly Don't want him nerfed, At least this is better then being 1 shot because you get stunned.

SkiasAug 28, 20169 votes

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As much as I don't like anybody being able to use my main without skill, him being strong is not a reason for nerfs and I honestly Don't want him nerfed, At least this is better then being 1 shot because you get stunned.

You mean this is better than dying to your intended counterplay? That's a problem right there. Of course you want to have no counter.

BultzAug 29, 20161 votes

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You mean this is better than dying to your intended counterplay? That's a problem right there. Of course you want to have no counter.

What counterplay? 90% of champs have a form of cc in the game. A little cc and boom you're dead. Fed or not. That's not counter play. Thats broken. A 22/0/22 Yasuo is easily killed with a little cc, it's stupid. There is no tenacity or anyway to avoid the cc and you get fked. What little tenacity is actually in game doesn't stop anything. It's the same argument with champions like Yi and Nasus. Sure they're strong, but a little cc, and boom you're out. That's not counter play that's being broken.

If I'm 22/0/22 ands you're 0/5/0, but you stun me and just melt me because I'm a squishy, that's absolutely stupid. Yasuo can't be nerfed because he found a strong build in building tanky. Like where is veigar's nerf for being stupidly strong late game. Where are Vayne's nerfs? Y'all just want Yasuo to be weak and I'm not okay with that.

SkiasAug 29, 20162 votes

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What counterplay? 90% of champs have a form of cc in the game. A little cc and boom you're dead. Fed or not. That's not counter play. Thats broken. A 22/0/22 Yasuo is easily killed with a little cc, it's stupid. There is no tenacity or anyway to avoid the cc and you get fked. What little tenacity is actually in game doesn't stop anything. It's the same argument with champions like Yi and Nasus. Sure they're strong, but a little cc, and boom you're out. That's not counter play that's being broken.

If I'm 22/0/22 ands you're 0/5/0, but you stun me and just melt me because I'm a squishy, that's absolutely stupid. Yasuo can't be nerfed because he found a strong build in building tanky. Like where is veigar's nerf for being stupidly strong late game. Where are Vayne's nerfs? Y'all just want Yasuo to be weak and I'm not okay with that.

That is CC's entire purpose. You're asking for a fundamental change to the way the game works. You're mobile, get tons of free stats and damage. You get to be frail. If you don't like it, don't play a light fighter.