A secret champion that counters assassin mid??? (i.e., Yasuo)

NexusJellyBean·8/12/2015, 10:13:58 PM·1 votes·1,095 views

I might be overly excited about this, but to be honest, I think I've found a champion that kinda counters this whole Assassin meta.

Also, I think this champ also helps against currently strong mid-laners right now (i.e., Azir). Are you ready for it?

It's....... Karma .....Karma?

Now, wait, wait, before you start yelling at me, please, just hear me out. Picking her up only recently, I tried her out last week when she was on free rotation. And to be honest, I don't understand why she isn't played as often. I love her. Here are a few reasons.

  1. She meshes well with almost any team composition, and provides a good safe pick.
  2. She can go any lane (including jungle!) except for ADC.
  3. She is a great lane bully and provides a lot of burst, as well as sustain damage, like Orianna. 4. If you think about it, she's a black champion that doesn't have a skin that makes her white. Lucian item 3070

Let me give you a quick run down of her abilities. Passive: Each basic attack or ability Karma damages an enemy with decreases the cooldown of her ultimate. Q: A skillshot that provides damage. W: A point-and-click that initially does some damage. After a few seconds, it deals more damage, and binds. E: A shield w/ a movement speed boost that can be cast on any ally (including minions. I'll explain this later.). R: Gives her a power boost on one of her abilities. This goes on cooldown if not used for 10 seconds.

R+Q: A skillshot that has more damage and leaves behind a circle that slows and later deals more damage. R+W: It grows stronger and gives Karma some health while damaging the target. R+E: Grants everyone in the radius a shield as well as her targets.

Let me go into detail about all of this. I want to present my evidence clearly.

She meshes well with almost any team composition, and provides a good safe pick. This is especially evident in things such as blind pick. Since the majority of people will be choosing their favorites and not trying to pick a champ based on the current team comp, Karma can slide right on to mid and can synergize well with most champions, due to her incredible kiting.

She can go any lane except ADC Top lane karma is similar to Lux or Annie going top. You're most likely going to harass the enemy since most top laners are melee. This is especially great if both your jungle and support are tank, and your mid-laner is a bit bulky. Speaking of which, Karma also can survive most team fights, since she is less squishy than most mid-laners because of her shield.

She is a great lane bully, and provides a lot of burst (and sustain?) Karma's Q has a long enough range to abuse melee champs like Zed, Yasuo, Katarina. Surprisingly, she can outrange and poke some ranged champions, like Annie, Lux, or even Azir. The burst, comes from her Ultimate+Q. It provides a good chunk of damage. I normally half health most squishes, and 1/4 health most fighters. And all of her abilities have short cooldowns. (This -->item 3165 is her best friend.) The sustain damage comes from her regular Q and her good sustain for both her and her team from her shield.

Okay, so now about these cheeses. Leblanc Akali Diana Katarina Zed Yasuo

These are the champions that Karma has an advantage of or even counters! (Yes, even LeBlanc!) Being melee or having short AA's like LB, you can easily abuse these champs. But you could be saying, why yes, but doesn't every ranged mid do that? Well, yes, but Karma gives you more. Most ranged mids are squishy af. If they have a shield, it's relatively weak. If they get gank, they're relatively dead. Karma counters that. Karma has a decent shield to protect against those Zed Q's or LB Q's or Katarina Q's. If she's being ganked, you can bind the jungler, and even heal yourself with your bind.

In my opinion, I think Karma could be the solution to this assassin mid type of thing. Or at least, for me, it's worked. Every assassin I've gone against I can easily go through laning phase.

Now Karma isn't perfect, obvioulsy. She doesn't have as much damage as much mid lanes, and the whole Jack-of-all-trades thing for her doesn't help her specialize in anything specific. But I have been happy playing Karma against Yasuo, or Zed, or LB.

But of course, I could be completely wrong. Feel free to comment and constructively criticize my points. For me, it's hard to put my thoughts to words. Thank you so much for reading this SUPER long post, thanks for listening!

15 Comments

Malicious Metal8/12/2015, 10:23:58 PM1 votes

Morde was my go to assassin counter mid.

RIP

Only Play Darius8/12/2015, 10:25:32 PM1 votes

Fighters are an overall better counter to assassins. Able to withstand their damage while also dealing a hefty amount themselves, assassins can't do anything about fighters in lane.

TheLastShadow458/12/2015, 10:30:40 PM1 votes

Urgot that damage you wanted to do? Not going to happen.

PeachsProperty8/12/2015, 10:37:32 PM1 votes

I love karma i used her alot pre-rework

i hate her new skin though (classic all the way)

she is strong, support karma + item 3504 is a major benefit to your adc(and jungler/top in teamfights usually)

though i have to disagree on her countering Diana.

sure she has better poke, but diana has dive potential and a shield of her own(which if she dives u she will pop on u when she pulls u into her when u try to run away).

and Yasuo is dependent on skill.

wind wall can ruin ur Mantra Q and when that is out you lost a large amount of damage.

Catastrop8/12/2015, 10:41:19 PM1 votes

I already play Karma exclusively to mid lane so I'd like to hear a bit on how you build her.

OverpoweredSoap8/12/2015, 10:54:00 PM1 votes

Karma does well against assassins because she can adapt to almost any situation, due to mantra.

I am actually surprised people don't play her that often, I get she doesn't offer the most damage, but good Karmas basically always have Mantra up, allowing her to do a lot of damage if she Mantra Q's.

Tristyric8/14/2015, 4:55:12 PM1 votes

This is no secret and really didn't require a massive post Karma is and was always a mage first and support second a lot of newer players never realized that, especially with the recent changes to force her into more of a support role again. Even Pre-rework Karma could pump out massive damage and was an excellent mid lane turret diver. Her recent support buff/Mid nerf considerably weakened her ability to play against mid. Her R+E was an effective way to poke at people hiding in minion lines and her R+W bonus damage was much more effective at getting kills when someone decided to dive you when it had its bonus damage portion. Losing those tools put me off on playing her mid over Syndra who is just as effective at countering assassins. Otherwise shes still fairly effective in the mid lane against short range champions without heavy CC and assassins so long as you don't panic the moment they engage.

P.S. Lucian Hired gun skin doesn't turn him white AT ALL. the splash has him pictured in a flash of light, which has a white sheen to it and the skin itself has brown skin. IF you think that turns him white then you're blind or really dumb...

Posui Gart8/14/2015, 5:07:14 PM1 votes

What about Chogath? He counters all that assassins with either his Q, W or his HP from R. You can silence that LB flying to your face so she can't dash back, you can Q yourself when Zed ults you, and silenced Yasuo isn't going to dash anywhere from your Q. And the best thing about him, is that he is pushing all the time, so that assassins can't just freely leave lane to roam. About Karma-she really lacks damage. Its not like she can oneshot enemy ADC with a single RQ, and her W has really low range. In teamfight she relies more on her allies. So even if that assassin loses his lane, in teamfight you both are not that useful(well, except her RE that is effectively Sivir's ult with shield and on low cd). Still, I prefer playing Karma as support, she is just too effective without farm

warpenguin5558/14/2015, 5:08:46 PM1 votes

I go gragas mid. It gets fed ALOT because nobody respects it. Im gonna try it in ranked once i get better at CSing with him

WolfChases8/14/2015, 5:50:03 PM1 votes

Since when is this an assassin meta? :D Every single assassin now is screwed buy tanks and devourers + juggernauts are coming out soon.

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