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- Raptors is easily the most oppressive and obnoxious camp that it has to be ignored by a lot of junglers even beyond their first clear and it is at a point that if you can't handle the camp you are assured to be a bad jungler.
If other players don't understand the changes, that's on them, not the jungler. One of the intentions of the new jungle is to push different champions into different clear paths based on the abilities of their champs and the general game state. I think it's been really great, as you're not really forced to do a straight clear and have a lot of decisions to make each game about the path you want to take.
For example, on Diana, who I've been experimenting with lately, I'll skip raptors and krugs if I start at blue-side's red buff. When I'm red-side and start on Blue buff, I'm level 3 by the time I get to raptors and can decide if I want to level E for a quick gank or put a second point in Q and go ahead & take the camp.
I LOVE that the game circumstances change what decisions I make there. Before the recent changes, I kept to the same jungle path for most junglers in almost every single game, because it was simply too advantageous not to. Obviously this occasionally changed based on jungle invades or lanes super pushed up somewhere, but most of the time I could replace my first 3 minutes of the game with a macro and not see the difference.
Just like each time there are significant changes to the jungle, there are some champs who are winners and losers. I'm much happier with Riot fixing those as they come than not keep improving on the experience.