Anyone know why you've got champions like Darius, Garen, Ornn, Mordekaiser all running rampant in the top lane, and now being flexed in mid/jungle? Thank you Riot, for bringing tanks back. all very fun champions to play and play against.
Zero Skill Tank11 votesDarius
not a tank
Garen
not a tank
Mordekaiser
not a tank
JustA kleo1 votesthanks.
OhGodOhFk6 votesA Tank doesn't die in 1 sec
Daddy Ants2 votesA Tank doesn't die in 1 sec
But remember, Boards and Reddit thinks "Tanks get 1 shot and die instantly."
I counted 14 autos and 10-11 seconds to kill an Ornn with less items than me.
RavenMagus2 votesAnd yet the Ornn player would somehow be complaining that Vayne is OP with too much damage.
I bet if the Ornn player hadn't screwed up and had actually hit his ult, you would have died on the spot.
Daddy Ants1 votesAnd yet the Ornn player would somehow be complaining that Vayne is OP with too much damage.
I bet if the Ornn player hadn't screwed up and had actually hit his ult, you would have died on the spot.
Most likely yes.
But my point still stands.
Tanks do not and never have gotten 1, 2 or 3 shot.
It's boards/reddit delusion.
Zero Skill Tank3 votesYou were the only source of damage, 
is the strongest tank in the game, and had ocean soul.
Sure, let's pretend that a tank with dragon soul surviving 10s in a 1v1 is not OK.
Daddy Ants1 votes[{quoted}](name=Zero Skill Tank,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LeHI7czO,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2020-02-24T21:00:22.165+0000)
You were the only source of damage,
Sure, let's pretend that a tank with dragon soul surviving 10s in a 1v1 is not OK.
You realise he hit NONE OF HIS ABILITIES.
He has to hit his abilities for the Ocean Soul to be useful.
Zero Skill Tank2 votesFirst of all, no - ocean soul means you also have at least 2 ocean drakes, which work all the time.
Second of all, no - ocean soul works on any kind of damage, and he is clearly dealing damage to you, if only from thornmail.
So yeah - the strongest tank in the game is not able to survive 10s in a 1v1, despite having massive regeneration buff.
In a teamfight and without the soul he would clearly die in just a few seconds.
Any other tank even sooner.
And you somehow still found a reason to bitch.
killzor666764 votesAs far as im aware, isnt the current meta ANTI tank? all the characters that you have mentioned from what I recall are juggernauts or bruisers.
Darkdemon6533 votesAnyone know why you've got champions like Darius, Garen, Ornn, Mordekaiser all running rampant in the top lane, and now being flexed in mid/jungle? Thank you Riot, for bringing tanks back. all very fun champions to play and play against.
Three of the four you listed aren't tanks.
L Psy Kongroo2 votes3 of those are juggernauts, not tanks. And Ornn has been buffed out the ass repeatedly to the point where he fulfills the role of both.
Tank metas only exist when tanks are allowed to do relevant damage in addition to being nigh-unkillable (see: old Sejuanni, Zac, Nautilus top, current Ornn, Kench; also note that, with the exception of Nautilus, all of these tanks have % max HP damage in their kit somewhere). If there IS a tank meta upon us, it will come about because of the Sunfire buffs. Tanks can't be allowed to have the best of both worlds, otherwise they start crowding out bruisers and juggernauts, and the line between classes becomes undefinable.
WillSummon4Food1 votesMMMM even ornn I wouldn't say is a Juggernaut he has sustained damage but that is it. Hes not like a Garen or Darius who will pump out 40,000+ damage just by playing an okay game. Even if I get super ahead in my lane on ornn and end the game 8/3/12 I still only get around 30,000 damage max. If an ornn is really doing crazy amounts of damage and you can't play against them then you guys screwed up in the draft. He's easily kiteable and he can only really do damage if everyone groups up around him which is a staple of tanks.
Iron Rubric1 votesMMMM even ornn I wouldn't say is a Juggernaut he has sustained damage but that is it. Hes not like a Garen or Darius who will pump out 40,000+ damage just by playing an okay game. Even if I get super ahead in my lane on ornn and end the game 8/3/12 I still only get around 30,000 damage max. If an ornn is really doing crazy amounts of damage and you can't play against them then you guys screwed up in the draft. He's easily kiteable and he can only really do damage if everyone groups up around him which is a staple of tanks.
Orn is unique that he's a solid tank busting tank. I'd still rather they nerd his damage and give him back his shield :(
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Beerstein2 votesIt's definitely not tank meta, but it's nice to finally see a few tanks on the fringe of the rotation for once.
Daddy Ants2 votesAssassin player tears are the purest of them all.
Anything that invalidates mongoloid Assassins is welcomed.
2gudaiya2 votesthis is what people wanted.
MrFawknSunshine1 votes
are tanks
pseudo tanks are
Paroe1 votes
are tanks
pseudo tanks are
Poppy, Galio, Maokai, and shen are more bruiser. Sion is a juggernaut, not a tank. Nautilus is also on the bruiser side of things design wise, but his history is mostly that of a tank so he gets a pass but its worth noting. If we ever got good AP bruiser itemization, i gurantee Nautilus and Zac would be rebranded in a heartbeat.
Lord Zeta 13131 votesPoppy, Galio, Maokai, and shen are more bruiser. Sion is a juggernaut, not a tank. Nautilus is also on the bruiser side of things design wise, but his history is mostly that of a tank so he gets a pass but its worth noting. If we ever got good AP bruiser itemization, i gurantee Nautilus and Zac would be rebranded in a heartbeat.
Sion is most definitely a tank. Unless he build damage he is not going to scratch anyone besides the ADC. He had lots of CC and is tanky, with minimal damage. He's a tank.
Lazypeon1001 votesHow is Sion not a tank? He becomes insanely tanky, has a strong engage (that includes long lasting CC), a giant knock up in Q (or works as a slow if not charged long enough), E slows, and his W is a shield with scaling health for the whole game.
Everything about his kit screams tank.
MrFawknSunshine1 votesthey are all tanks.
bruiser isnt a classification. closest thing to a bruiser is a juggernaut.
where we have the pseudo tanks like singed who is more damage heavy then hard cc, gnar in mega form is tank.
but they cant function as the sole tank on a team for the purpose of a tank.
shen is closer to a juggernaut imo but according to the in game client and what riot has defined a tank he is a tank. so i get where you are saying shen/poppy/galio but inherently at their core they are tanks.
Comrade Warwick1 votesNot the tank's fault you play exclusively 
lol
Metal Janna1 votesIt's nice to see junglers that bring utility again instead of just assassins with CC that they don't need.
PhearBunny1 votesi wouldnt really say its a tank meta, tanks are just viable again, whilst a small handful of them overperform. Ornn, Amumu need minor nerfs. Leona needs her power budget moved around. Nautilus is just always going to be good due to his reliable nature.
Daddy Ants1 votesi wouldnt really say its a tank meta, tanks are just viable again, whilst a small handful of them overperform. Ornn, Amumu need minor nerfs. Leona needs her power budget moved around. Nautilus is just always going to be good due to his reliable nature.
##Ornn:
Ornn needs damage nerfs, significant ones.
A champion who doesn't invest into offensive stats shouldn't be doing the levels of damage he does right now.
Suggested change: W % Damage:
12 / 13 / 14 / 15 / 16% of target's maximum health=> 10 / 11 / 12 / 13 / 14% of target's maximum health.
##Amumu:
Amumu for some reason keeps getting buffed unnecessarily.
Suggested change: Bandage Toss (Q): Dash Speed decreased from 1800 to 1600.
##Leona:
Leona's problem is she's way too tanky with no items, her lockdown is too reliable and too low of a cooldown.
Leona needs her Q and E cooldowns increased or the flat damage reduction effect on W removed.
Suggested changes:
Shield of Daybreak (Q): Cooldown increased to 6 seconds from 5. (9.17 revert)
Zenith Blade (E): Cooldown increased to 13 / 11.5 / 10 / 8.5 / 7 from 12 / 10.5 / 9 / 7.5 / 6 seconds.
##Nautilus:
Nautilus is in the same boat as Leona, way too tanky with no items and lockdown is way too reliable.
If I was in charge of nerfing Nautilus I'd either increase his Q and R cooldowns or reduce his base armor and armor growth stats.
PhearBunny1 votes[{quoted}](name=Daddy Ants,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LeHI7czO,comment-id=000c0000,timestamp=2020-02-24T12:53:31.585+0000)
Ornn needs damage nerfs, significant ones.
A champion who doesn't invest into offensive stats shouldn't be doing the levels of damage he does right now.
Amumu for some reason keeps getting buffed unnecessarily. Partial revert the Q speed and leave the dash cancel on his ult.
Leona's problem is she's way too tanky with no items, her lockdown is too reliable and too low of a cooldown.
Leona needs her Q and E cooldowns increased or the flat damage reduction effect on W removed.
Nautilus is in the same boat as Leona, way too tanky with no items and lockdown is way too reliable.
If I was in charge of nerfing Nautilus I'd either increase his Q and R cooldowns or reduce his base armor and armor growth stats.
I actually think Leona is fine. Im not sure why shes over performing right now. If you ask me, Nautlius support is the same thing, except more reliable and therefore better. Solar Flare and Zenith Blade are relatively easy to avoid unless youre trapped in a situation where you have no choice but to get hit by them. Whereas Nauts hook and ult are unavoidable. Maybe she is too tanky, in which case i would just nerf her passive by like 15-20%. Let her keep her tankiness, but at the same time reduce the effectiveness of her damage via simply existing.
i feel like Leona needs to keep her tankiness high, or else shes just going to be overshined by Alistar again as per usual. Since Alistars Headbutt+Pulverize is essentially the same exact thing as Zenith+Shield of Day break, except that it is faster, more reliable, deals more damage, and is AoE(so basically Alistars combo is better). There needs to be a reason to pick Leona, if we nerfed her tankiness there would be no reasont to ever play her. So yeah, ima go with nerf sunlight and see what happens. She deserves to be a good individual champion, perhaps toning down her ability to enhance her ADC via sunlight is the right move for her game health.
PopcornBunni1 votesNot even half the tanks played in top lane are in the upper half of the lane's performance, while 8 of the top 10 are bruisers.
Even the dreaded "tank meta" of season 6 had like, 2 tanks with any significant success -- and , with non-tank champions flexing into their items (and using them better than tanks) because of imbalanced scaling.
Krys Star1 votesTanks haven't been in meta for 5 years, and even if they are, who cares? Assassins have been meta for far too long, it makes the game feel refreshing when it's gets a shake up.
