riot do not remove fiddlesticks bonus damage against minions on his e

Get gud, Learn him and you will laugh at your comment like I do. Plus a smart jungle will stop by for the free kills.

But I guess in WOod 5 he is op.

Because you often need to make sure you don't overbuff a champion. Especially with a champion as...problematic in design as Fiddle.

Literally nobody likes being killed by a virtually undodgeable E that also silences you (removing your ability to fight back), that you can't stand away from, and does significant damage.

Pulling Fiddle (and most junglers, for that matter) out of lane is a healthy move on Riot's part. A mechanic that's fine when you only see it when you're ganked suddenly becomes super oppressive in lane, because it's their primary ability they use to survive and clear in the jungle, and it got tied to their engage tool as well, so now they're kinda fucked.

If you want lane fiddlesticks to be healthy, the only option Riot has for that (barring a minor rework) is to remove the silence entirely. Point and click damage is bad enough, it doesn't need to also completely remove your ability to fight back.

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Where are the fiddlesticks games in your match history? And you saying "even with the upcoming buff to fiddles jungle clear, he's still not going to be a good jungler" means fuck all.

"i play fiddlesticks mid most of the time as his jungle isn't good enough for to many reasons" Again, means nothing.

Even if you were a fiddlesticks mid player (which i dont believe you are) you would be in such a minority of players that even do that so who cares? Fiddlesticks is a jungler.

I play him support. Guess where he plays the most right now? It aint mid. Guess what does?

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Even if you were a fiddlesticks mid player (which i dont believe you are) you would be in such a minority of players that even do that so who cares? Fiddlesticks is a jungler.

First of all, why don't you believe he's a Fiddlestick mid-player? Just because he doesn't have any Fiddle games? Well, I'm not a Fiddle main, but I play him now and then and IF I play mid. But oops I have no time on this account on him. Maybe he has several accounts like so many Lol players? Do I have to log out now and use my main account or my Fiddle account to be allowed to write here? But I'm digressing.

Yes, we are a minority. But Tahm Kench jng or top, ASol player, and many more are also in the minority. That's absolutly normal. In every game there are meta-characters and those that get into the background. Especially with almost 140 of them it is easy to slide into the background. No matter if champ itself, itembuild on this champ or roll with this champ.

But Zer0Tex Tahm Kench is a support, so that's right. This is the same as Fiddlesticks mid, a wrong role on this champ. Bulls***. Fiddlesticks is a MAGE jng. Mid is the lane for mages and assasins. Yes ok Fidd's main lane is jng, I agree with you, but that doesn't mean you can't play him anywhere else. Zyra is mainly sup but can still be played mid, since she is also a mage. Conversely, we don't want to start now, because everyone knows you can play anything as sup.

Rito never wanted to give champs a fixed role. That's why ad champs also have ap scallings. Giving them a main role or forcing them to play there are two completely different things.

You're, in my eyes, on the completely wrong track of thinking.

Rito is not blame. They just keep trying to get him back and they do that by strengthening his main role. Unfortunately this is negative for our beloved middlesticks. Of course you can't pay attention to everyone. Every change to champs is good for some and bad for others. Maybe there is another way to strengthen him in jng and not to touch middlesticks but I am no expert.

Its sad but we have to agree and try to keep him working.

All hail Middlesticks.

His one crow that pokes you does less and less damage overtime, Yea he may have some poke and have sustain but he has a tiny amount of health so just force his fear or let it play out and all in him... like thats a hard thing to do with champions like zed, lux , syndra, ziggs, brand , you know the champions that can litterly splat fiddle in a second.

Then you realize its the same at max rank. Those nerfing his late game and mana cost. The pay off in the jungle isn't worth it.

He didn't just get a Nerf from the ability itself but everyone got a Nerf to the actual damage to minions so he can't even half even a single minion with a crow. I would spend time playing him to see what i mean, The CDR is really not improved that much based on the fact that fiddle players usually pick the CDR Masteries to poke you anyway.

Have you thought about starting with an AD item ( )? Also, the rune Absolute Focus is worth considering: if you start with an AD item it gives AD, and when later on you transition into a proper AP build it gives AP.

Also, I really like to rush a ... it's a great help for waveclearing + catching people with Fear, and with a fully stacked Ingenious Hunter its cooldown is pretty low.